I'm a beta player in this and while I cannot reveal any information, I'll say I'm buying it.

Originally posted by Wikkedbowtie

Originally posted by korat102

Originally posted by SaetiaBelle

It depends, is it going to be like Coh where you log on and spend a few hours looking for a good sized party because playing solo or duo gives so much less xp?

I liked the whole hero idea but the grouping up ruined it. I never made it to endgame in CoH.

 

There's no endgame. You do exactly the same thing at level 50 as you do at level 1, just with lots more powers and health. You're still seeing contact - going to kill or rescue - going back to contact. Nothing changes.

Personally, I'm getting a bit jaded with the whole MMO thing. Need a rest I think.

 

And how exactly was CoH endgame different from any other games endgame? You do the same things you did in the early game that you do in the endgame in every single game that is out. Even WoW, which people claim starts at the level cap is nothing but grinding for more gear, just like the first 69 levels.

If you were to strip every MMO down to the most bare bone basic anatomy...yes you're right.  However, you dismiss entirely the journey along the way.  Its like saying everything in sex is to just have an orgasm, so what's the big deal about it and why not do something else?

I played CoX...I liked it quite a bit, but I was in a long cycle of subbing for a month, then quitting for 4.  Sure I enjoyed my 1 month...as a break from a "real" game.  CoX is fluff, because of how little end game content there is to explore, there is no real journey here, just more missions, no story, no character evolution and say what you will about WoW in the negative sense, the fact that you can progress your character still through gear acquisition and the many ways now that there are to gear up, the involved raiding, light raiding, and non raiding content is all very signficant.

Yes, I agree, even with all that content, after a while you are in a grind, but WoW still has managed to hook 11 million people to its game for a reason.  CoX failed to hold people's attention for  not figuring out what WoW knew quite some time ago and continues to refine and enhance with each patch.  I'm not a WoW fanboi by any means, but it has held my sub dollar longer than any other game because it addresses core gameplay features.  Now, CO has potential with what I've read so far, but they have a very real need to provide deep content once the leveling is over.  Games that do not do that wind up losing subs very quickly, just look at Warhammer.  I was nearly rabid about it till I hit the late 30s and then at end game...there was nothing and the main component of it was broken and so poorly thought out that its still not working properly.

The Supers genre is a tough one to tackle that way, because at its heart, supers are about personal triumphs and failures, essentially, a soap opera.  Thus a reward system once level cap is acheived, has to somehow incorperate that.  There has got to be continued progression in some fashion, not just (yawn) influence points but things that continually improve your character's play expierence, with enhanced story lines, enhanced consequences for failure, etc.  Ideally I would think they should incorperate a philosophy that there are no do overs, if you fail, you failed...now deal with the consequences of it, something which all MMOs refuse to touch.  They'd rather opt for the easy solution of allowing the player to just retry again, but with supers, there is as much rich content for a hero from his failures as his successes, and if the dev's put forth the effort, it can be in a MMO as well.  Note I said ideally, I'm realistic enough to realize this is a lot of $$$ to do, but the basic point here is, without a enduring end game content which you can translate to 'just another grind' if you want to, but without progression paths at end game, MMOs fail to do what they're designed to do from the get go, retain subs.

All that said, yes, I'm keeping a eye on this game, but I won't hop on it upon release.  I've learned my lesson with Warhammer and AoC, give the guys a few months of subs and shaking the tree to see what falls out, because I'm not interested in just leveling a toon and then twiddling my thumbs hoping they'll get off their ass and do something.  I need to see proof of this before I even install the game.

After seeing the latest trailer I'm shocked at how good it looks. the flight model looks good, the weapon physics look good, the mission and party set up looks good.

This is what I expected from EVE when I first saw it........but we all know eve is WoW in space, not a FPS which is where all the excitement in shooters comes from.

I'll definately be buying it if for nothing else than supporting this kind of game. I have high hopes for it.

I need a shooter and an MMORPG. I'm hoping it will be BP and FFXIV. crosses fingers.

Sorry as much as I really want to like this game it won't take me from COH/COV.  I never feel heroic.  And plus most of the people i Know won't leave COH for this, just not a fun game, seems like WOW in tights to me.  Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by happytrails7

Sorry as much as I really want to like this game it won't take me from COH/COV.  I never feel heroic.  And plus most of the people i Know won't leave COH for this, just not a fun game, seems like WOW in tights to me.  Just my 2 cents.

Can you do this is WoW?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDN5-MKiMcY&feature=related

i will also wait for 3-4 months before ordering this game. cuz i have fears about it to be ghostowns. so wait would be better .i have already wasted so much money on games which later on losts customers. so i will make a decision on you guys feedback:D

I know it looks cool, but it still isn't fun to me.  COH/COV seems much more fast paced to me, and for a person who can only play for a few hours at night and maybe a little more during the weekends it suits my taste a little more, just like the people I play with.

Originally posted by happytrails7

I know it looks cool, but it still isn't fun to me.  COH/COV seems much more fast paced to me, and for a person who can only play for a few hours at night and maybe a little more during the weekends it suits my taste a little more, just like the people I play with.

not to argue with you or anything.but cryptic has stated  that this game will be alike for casual gamers .if they play less they can in champions online and still dont feel left behind. but its only from the company thats making it .we cannot know it until nda is lifted and beta testers can tell us if it is true or not:P

Originally posted by happytrails7

I know it looks cool, but it still isn't fun to me.  COH/COV seems much more fast paced to me, and for a person who can only play for a few hours at night and maybe a little more during the weekends it suits my taste a little more, just like the people I play with.

That is fair enough and I hope you continue to enjoy CoX for a long time.  I do object to CO being called WoW in tights because they really are nothing alike.