Originally posted by Zerocyde

Graphics are for kids. They can remove everything from Fallen Earth right now and make it a freaking text based mud and I would still play it if it's good.

I think you might need to explain to the kiddies just what a mud is :)

I still remember getting complete immersed into another world without a single picture, nothing but text.  That's something that a good game can still do, even with graphics that aren't fantastic.

That being said, I don't think the graphics are that bad.  People are either a) too picky or b) looking for something to criticize

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Great concept for a game, though....some really cool ideas here. I have to wonder if it's too late to hope for this thing to be ready before they launch...

Originally posted by nickelpat

It's in Alpha. Period.

What you see now is NOT what you will see at release. And, judging by the claims of a zoneless world, amazing graphics would kill most machines, when the processors tried to render it all.

Secondly, at to the buggy products. No, no other form of entertainment or art releases products like this, why? Because none of them are as complex, large, and difficult to produce. None of them have to try to make their product run on thousands of different parts, consistently and efficiently on each. There WILL be errors in the code, it's not going to stop. Please, don't bring out the "Back in the day this didn't happen". Back in the day they didn't have 5 different GFX card architectures, which are then split into another 4 sub-cards, which are then split into another 4 performance options, that they needed to code for, and that's just one producer, they need to code for both chipsets. The parts are much more complex and there are more of them than there used to be. You can't expect the programmers to code for every one of these setups the first time through. If you do, buy a console, it'll probably work out better for you.

Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you actually believe anything you wrote?

1. What you see is what you get. Period. All these years of MMO history didn't teach you anything? Why do people still use this "It's still in alpha/beta, it will change at release!" crap? This game is basically open beta (I saw a link on Massively.com on Friday and I got myself a beta key) and is about to release soon. The graphics will not change much before release.

2. If you know anything about technology, in the old days it was much worse. Each software company had to write different code for different hardware. ADLIB, Soundblasters, software renderers, Glide API and OpenGL . Even memory management was complicated. Now you have DirectX that aggregates everything, you only need to use that API. Also, although there are a gazzilion GFX cards, 99.99% of them either use Catalyst or GeForce Drivers. As a game developer I don't need to give a crap about what hardware you are using. If your hardware is not good enough to run the game, the OS/DirectX will tell you that.

Stop writing about stuff you obviously know nothing about.

And as for the thread, Gameplay >>> Graphics

Graphics are a thing of the setting.  Is a post-apocalypse world in the area of great-canyon.  If you don't love desert, bleak enviroments (like in Fallout ), etc.. you are on the wrong game.  

And I don't like the starting area graphics.

But.. he!..  I suppose these things are easy to enhance, with the graphics artist making changes removing some props, and adding others, etc.. till these areas look better. 

Originally posted by Teiman

Graphics are a thing of the setting.  Is a post-apocalypse world in the area of great-canyon.  If you don't love desert, bleak enviroments (like in Fallout ), etc.. you are on the wrong game. 

 

It's nothing to do with the setting. There is a difference between subject matter and bad execution. Then there's a difference between bad execution and woeful execution. It's basically the same setting as Fallout 3 and they look like ten years are between the games.

I dont know im with the Who cares about graphics crowd.

Ive seen a few vids and the graphics look fine.  Every game doesnt need to be a Tech demo.  We do need games that are fun and complex. 

Downloading the stress test now and hoping it is.

Been lookaing at a few screenshots and so. What is it that would make the graphics in this game dated?

Originally posted by Orphes

Been lookaing at a few screenshots and so. What is it that would make the graphics in this game dated?

It looks and feels like an old Lithtech engine game.....not quite as old looking as SHOGO, but not as modern looking as MxO.

I really don't care....but you'd think that a game that looks this...spartan....would run a Hell of a lot better than it does on above recommended spec.

The graphics isn't the that bad, aside from the performance issues. If you think about it, this game looks EXACTLY like a 3D version of Fallout 2. The art style, the color pallete, are all very similar.

Except that the characters look even more like miniature-brained pre-humans than AoC's. Ouch.

As a long time rabid fan and player of Ultima Online, I have always been a big believer in Gameplay-trumps-Graphics. However, lately I have found myself becoming less and less forgiving of dated graphics, and graphic styles that I don't enjoy. That having been said, I am still on the fence about FE's graphics. I think the thing that will allow me to overlook the dated graphics will be the performance of the game as it gets closer to launch. I already know the features of the game seems like a winner for me. The problem is, the MMO market is saturated to the point of bursting at the moment, and there are a lot of MMOs coming down the pipe still that come from some fantastic IPs and some that are unique that also look great. I think there might be too much competition out there for any developer to rely on gameplay to sell a game with dated graphics and a clunky engine... I guess time will tell though.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by Orphes

Been lookaing at a few screenshots and so. What is it that would make the graphics in this game dated?

 

It looks and feels like an old Lithtech engine game.....not quite as old looking as SHOGO, but not as modern looking as MxO.

I really don't care....but you'd think that a game that looks this...spartan....would run a Hell of a lot better than it does on above recommended spec.

(I really did not know where to ask as there is a simular thread going... but this reply is in this thread, so.)

MxO, ofcouese I assume The Matrix Online. If one look at this video and compare to MxO, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQctAn3Jjes. Comparing the screenshots on this site, and alot of the screenshot on the official site, doesn't make the game justice from what I think.

I still can't see the graphics being dated, but there is room for make the bad in the graphics look better (potential^(tm)).

It's not just that the graphics engine is dated in FE. The execution is terrible. I've never seen such bad texturing in a game. And as has been said, with such low quality graphics you'd expect better performance.

Originally posted by Mahlo

It's not just that the graphics engine is dated in FE. The execution is terrible. I've never seen such bad texturing in a game. And as has been said, with such low quality graphics you'd expect better performance.

Why not be more precise. Why is the engine really dated?

Make a difference beetween what they actually do with the engine in FE and what they can do with the engine.

That guy says it's "dated 5 years" and the other one is saying 10 years.

The engine is pretty new. Really what is it that makes the enginge dated.

Could you give an example on what is good texturing and an example what is bad texturing in FE. Educate me, as in the other thread your just insulting to people that likes the graphic. So why not be decent enough to make an example on what is good and what is bad and maybe someone like me would understand what good graphic is.

Screenshots are availble to use.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Mahlo

It's not just that the graphics engine is dated in FE. The execution is terrible. I've never seen such bad texturing in a game. And as has been said, with such low quality graphics you'd expect better performance.

 

Why not be more precise. Why is the engine really dated?

Make a difference beetween what they actually do with the engine in FE and what they can do with the engine.

That guy says it's "dated 5 years" and the other one is saying 10 years.

The engine is pretty new. Really what is it that makes the enginge dated.

Could you give an example on what is good texturing and an example what is bad texturing in FE. Educate me, as in the other thread your just insulting to people that likes the graphic. So why not be decent enough to make an example on what is good and what is bad and maybe someone like me would understand what good graphic is.

Screenshots are availble to use.

 

 

 a good looking game with descent textures (zoom and notice clothing and ground details)

 ugly low def textures (zoom in and notice the no details)

 a good world texture

an ugly world texture (has nothing to do with lighting)

an impressive ground texture details in an MMO

a superb example of draw distance in an MMO

another extremely beautiful rendring in an MMO

Originally posted by clearSam 

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Thanks.

Yeah, putting screenshots side by side I agree that those that you refered to looking better is better looking.

(Still I find the game to look good even if those other looked better.)

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by clearSam 

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Thanks.

Yeah, putting screenshots side by side I agree that those that you refered to looking better is better looking.

(Still I find the game to look good even if those other looked better.)

 i love this game too, and its only because i like it that im saing that NOW since it is stil time to change stuff without nobody complaining.

i know that both Fallout and AoC are using big a$$ game engines that smaller companies can't afford to licence, but still, a 2009/2010 title should look at least ok comparing to 2 year old titles, and FE is not, FE graphics are technically dreadful, the textures are so cheap as if they are targetting video cards with 128MB of VRAM which is absolutely not true as that kind of hardware is quasi non existent today, the bump maps are missing/ badly implemented on many primary textures which makes surfaces look flat at best...

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by clearSam 

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Thanks.

Yeah, putting screenshots side by side I agree that those that you refered to looking better is better looking.

(Still I find the game to look good even if those other looked better.)

 i love this game too, and its only because i like it that im saing that NOW since it is stil time to change stuff without nobody complaining.

i know that both Fallout and AoC are using big a$$ game engines that smaller companies can't afford to licence, but still, a 2009/2010 title should look at least ok comparing to 2 year old titles, and FE is not, FE graphics are technically dreadful, the textures are so cheap as if they are targetting video cards with 128MB of VRAM which is absolutely not true as that kind of hardware is quasi non existent today, the bump maps are missing/ badly implemented on many primary textures which makes surfaces look flat at best...

It's in beta man, it'll improve later.

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by clearSam 

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Thanks.

Yeah, putting screenshots side by side I agree that those that you refered to looking better is better looking.

(Still I find the game to look good even if those other looked better.)

 i love this game too, and its only because i like it that im saing that NOW since it is stil time to change stuff without nobody complaining.

i know that both Fallout and AoC are using big a$$ game engines that smaller companies can't afford to licence, but still, a 2009/2010 title should look at least ok comparing to 2 year old titles, and FE is not, FE graphics are technically dreadful, the textures are so cheap as if they are targetting video cards with 128MB of VRAM which is absolutely not true as that kind of hardware is quasi non existent today, the bump maps are missing/ badly implemented on many primary textures which makes surfaces look flat at best...

Think about what you just said here.  You acknowledge that a smaller company can't afford a big $$ game engine... When this game started in development 2+ years ago, they used the best engine they could at the time.  So of course now it's going to look a little dated. 

No, there isn't time to change stuff, and it's simply not going to happen.  All thats going to happen is that users are going to be scared away by all the people whining and freaking out, not to mention the ones breaking the NDA while doing it.  Look at all of the "pretty" games out there that absolutely suck?  Is that what you want?

They're putting their time and money into the core of the game, and that's where it is needed most.  The popularity of the Wii is just one more piece of evidence that FUN games can succeed even with sub-standard graphics.  If this game has  everything else put together, which still remains to be seen, the graphics will become less important.  If they're that important to some players, and they refuse to look at the game cuz it's not all shiny, then it is their loss, and this just isn't the game for them. 

If you want eye candy, go somewhere else.  If you want meat 'n potatoes, sit down and feast, because this game has a lot of it.

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by clearSam 

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Thanks.

Yeah, putting screenshots side by side I agree that those that you refered to looking better is better looking.

(Still I find the game to look good even if those other looked better.)

 i love this game too, and its only because i like it that im saing that NOW since it is stil time to change stuff without nobody complaining.

i know that both Fallout and AoC are using big a$$ game engines that smaller companies can't afford to licence, but still, a 2009/2010 title should look at least ok comparing to 2 year old titles, and FE is not, FE graphics are technically dreadful, the textures are so cheap as if they are targetting video cards with 128MB of VRAM which is absolutely not true as that kind of hardware is quasi non existent today, the bump maps are missing/ badly implemented on many primary textures which makes surfaces look flat at best...

 

Think about what you just said here.  You acknowledge that a smaller company can't afford a big $$ game engine... When this game started in development 2+ years ago, they used the best engine they could at the time.  So of course now it's going to look a little dated. 

No, there isn't time to change stuff, and it's simply not going to happen.  All thats going to happen is that users are going to be scared away by all the people whining and freaking out, not to mention the ones breaking the NDA while doing it.  Look at all of the "pretty" games out there that absolutely suck?  Is that what you want?

They're putting their time and money into the core of the game, and that's where it is needed most.  The popularity of the Wii is just one more piece of evidence that FUN games can succeed even with sub-standard graphics.  If this game has  everything else put together, which still remains to be seen, the graphics will become less important.  If they're that important to some players, and they refuse to look at the game cuz it's not all shiny, then it is their loss, and this just isn't the game for them. 

If you want eye candy, go somewhere else.  If you want meat 'n potatoes, sit down and feast, because this game has a lot of it.

Two things,  FE aint looking dated, it some of the most advance open world games in development.
We aint seen the best possible gfx in that game yet.


the engine is made inhouse.  icarus owns it. from game engine to world development tools , they made it all them self.  its not a brought  unreal3 engine or someting like it.  its a open world engine , the unreal or for exsample crysis,fallout,...AoC  engine would totaly crash if they try to build this open world game whit it.
 

At max settings, the game looks "good enough". BUT.....the trade off for "good enough" graphics should be blazing performance.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

At max settings, the game looks "good enough". BUT.....the trade off for "good enough" graphics should be blazing performance.

id say something like that along with im the type of gamer that plays his games not only cause of "graphic eye candy" but primarily for the gameplay. ill go after a game with fun, solid and enjoyable gameplay, whether its mmorpg or normal console rpg if it's gameplay is solid and enjoyable and holds my interest.  the fact that it may not having cutting edge graphics is not a primary seller for me in games. everyone has their own opinion though

Originally posted by DeViLmAn0

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

At max settings, the game looks "good enough". BUT.....the trade off for "good enough" graphics should be blazing performance.

 

id say something like that along with im the type of gamer that plays his games not only cause of "graphic eye candy" but primarily for the gameplay. ill go after a game with fun, solid and enjoyable gameplay, whether its mmorpg or normal console rpg if it's gameplay is solid and enjoyable and holds my interest.  the fact that it may not having cutting edge graphics is not a primary seller for me in games. everyone has their own opinion though

well, without saying too much here, I believe that the "fun" factor is covered quite nicely already. Pure speculation, of course. (whistles innocently)

But any game with an open Fileplanet beta / stress test really should have the performance down by the time it releases...otherwise we get another AoC, Vanguard, etc.

lol i get ur drift there. i have a certain place in my heart for the whole post apocolyptic settings, got fallout 3 for yet the 3rd or 5th rental now, waitin on the game of the year edition this fall, i like my magic/swords of course. the setting for games like fallout 3 and then here in fallen earth isnt one that u see often, much less one thats done well. ill be keepin tabs on Fallen Earth, it does indeed sound fun. wide range of weapon options including melee. craft setup sounds enjoyable and engaging. making ur own everything, ammo, fuel. etc sounds cool.  and the vids ive seen for the game thus far dont even come off to me as being "bad" graphically.  btw wheres that gif in ur signature from?

Graphics are hardly bad, just not cartoony like WoW it is not a bright world get over it. That said this game is deep enough to overcome the percieved bad graphics.