Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

But they can do something about their practices here in the U.S. once the NA version is launched. Including forcing them to remove the product from U.S. availabilty. Which would mean NA players would have to go back to playing in the EU srvers and AV would lose any income they may have made from the NA servers.

Thanks for not reading the line below what you highlighted...?

Aventurine has had a scrupulous enough history thats been well documented that they can't afford to pull crap like this and get away with it. Even though I've never purchased the game or played it, I'm more than happy to help research their activities over the last 8 years to help ensure my fellow Americans can either be reimbursed or AV fix their FAQ back to the original which states 1 character per server, not account.

I never liked AV and knew better than to buy the game. They looked, smelled and acted too much like other gaming companies in the past who pulled crap like this. Once again, Dark and Light and Mourning have reared their ugly heads with their new criminalistic brother Darkfall.

In a purely legal sense it's debatable if anything can, or will, be done. However, any games consumer reading this, or one of many other sites, will soon know that AV have garnered a reputation for extremely dubious business practices (or can I say they're just flat-out lying fucks?!)

Whether they get taken to task legally should become a moot point. People saying "buyer beware", like it exonerates AV from any blame, should realise that, sooner or later, the buyer will be aware that this bunch of fuck-witted, fly by night cowboys are NOT to be trusted with pretty much anything.

Then they'll be held to account in the only court that matters to them, that of the consumers money. DF is going to die, not due to it being a half finished, bug and hack ridden game (ok, not only because of that), but because people simply won't trust them.

Do DF fans really think that people who are either sitting on the fence about buying it, or who have been pissed over by Tasos from his pedestal of bullshit will think twice about paying for an NA copy of DF when Mortal Online is right around the corner?

To me, this smacks of AV realising that their laughable sub numbers are going to nosedive into oblivion when MO releases, so they're trying to claw as much cash in as possible.

I never wanted any game to fail, and I don't want DF to fail. However I do want AV to fail for being the incompetent, duplicitous, shylock cock-monkeys that they are.

I am so very upset.

DarkFall is the best game ever made.

The owners are greedy.

I would not do this, but you can get help from your credit card company.

_{please do not kill the best game ever made}

       If the game gets killed it will likely be from lack of subs..from  shite like changing to 1 toon per sub after saying otherwise. I seriously doubt if it will be shut down because of E-complaints. Those things probably go straight into the junkmail folder and subsequently deleted after an auto response. Face it...the U.S. government only throws more money at bad business while shaking it's finger like a scolding parent.  And sending bitchnotes  to the F.B.I....lol...a bit extreme... besides..they couldn't even bother to read through the faxed warnings,proposals, essays and evidence of terrorist activities..until something drastic happened. So ...unless all the PCs running Darkfall simultaneously explode..killing thousands(providing there are that many subs)...then good luck.

Originally posted by BarCrow

       If the game gets killed it will likely be from lack of subs..from  shite like changing to 1 toon per sub after saying otherwise. I seriously doubt if it will be shut down because of E-complaints. Those things probably go straight into the junkmail folder and subsequently deleted after an auto response. Face it...the U.S. government only throws more money at bad business while shaking it's finger like a scolding parent.  And sending bitchnotes  to the F.B.I....lol...a bit extreme... besides..they couldn't even bother to read through the faxed warnings,proposals, essays and evidence of terrorist activities..until something drastic happened. So ...unless all the PCs running Darkfall simultaneously explode..killing thousands(providing there are that many subs)...then good luck.

Even if the PCs running DF simultaneously explode, it will kill no one.  Afk macroers typically do not sit in front of the computer.

On the other hand, the PC retail services will gloify DF, as it brings a few thousand new orders, assuming there are still a few thousand afk macroing.

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

In all fairness, and I pointed it out a long time ago when the initial 'faq is totally innacurate' threads started appearing.

EU distance selling legislation (which includes direct purchases via the internet , such as this) is far more strict than the equivalent US law.

The misleading FAQ itself was a clear breach, the current  EU/US server situation more so.

However, The company itself seems heavily in debt, short on income, so the likely outcome would be they would just close down.

Originally posted by JoeTan

comeon,  get your heads out your asses and think for a sec. . its a greek company. The world could´nt care less about your laws.  We know you like to think otherwise, we get it, but still we dont care.

 

No one will care, no one will change their business practises because of it, all you do is waste your time.

 

It's a greek company and thus part of the EU. And the EU has laws and rules a company needs to obey.

If you can present enough evidence of this SCAM practise, then Aventurine has a lot to explain.

Personally, I think you don't have to do much as this problem will solve itself.

Aventurine is so much in debt, that it's just hanging on it's last thin thread dangling above the ocean and it won't be long before it snaps and they fall and go under.

Cheers

There is no scam.  Just a bunch of idiots. Go to the Darkfall forums and read the post clarification.

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 Clarification

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Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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I dont even play Darkfall. But since half the people on here just seemed so EXTREME about their actions I thought to look into this. Anyone listening to the idiots about posting a complaint need to think before they act or speak. Everyone is so quick to judge.

Please just everyone chill. Besides, its video games man.

Its not just about the game, its the bait and switch, the shady buisness, and its OUR money.

Originally posted by Basicgear

Please just everyone chill. Besides, its video games man.

No, actually, it's about $130.

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

Originally posted by JTBanker

His complaint sounds very much like what I posted to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3.gov) against Av, and I suggest others follow the same path.

Lets see how well they hold together when Interpol and other agencies start anal probing them and turning over the rocks to see what other slime is living under them.

 

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[Mod Edit] You ever heard of bad publicity? Probably not but ask yourself this: Do you think it is good for a game/game developer to have several complaints regarding fraud from their customers? Specially if the media gets hold of it?

hes got a point..i mean just look at what bad publicity did to Vanguard! it destroyed the game into oblivion...didn't it?

There might be m,illions playing these games, but face it were still known as nerds whether you like to believe it or not, so most people wont care...only us gamers :) so do i want to cut of my nose to spite my face? no thanks.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

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You still don't get it do you? Blind fanboy as you are.

It does not matter if the FBI, or whatever, wipe their ass with the complaints. What matters is that IT IS NOT GOOD PR for any company to have several outstanding complaints about fraud or even just basic complaints to any agency regarding shade bussiness practices.

AV already has a bad rep and this won't help but in your world I am sure that nothing can touch your role-model gaming company and your hero Tasos.

The "assholic" move is when they changed from 1 character per server to 1 character per account. That just shows their real intends, which is milking the cash cows, and that they never intended to allow free transfers to US servers anyway.

All they want is sell more games, they couldn't care less about you guys, it's the content of your wallet that they want.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz 

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 You don't know much about bureaucracies do you? They'll fill out a detailed report for every complaint in the appropriate category, forward copies to relevant Government agencies, if any, have a meeting determine to take no action and file it away for eternity with J. Edgar Hoover's panties. They never delete anything.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Even if the PCs running DF simultaneously explode, it will kill no one.  Afk macroers typically do not sit in front of the computer.

QFT!

HAHAHA OMFG. Quote of the year.

*runs off to change his DF sig*

Already cancelled my sub a while back. If their "free" content update {still dont understand how any company can call that free, its just a big patch ffs & justifies your mthly fee} is any good I might consider resub, but getting onto the NA server is highly questionable atm.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

The "assholic" move is when they changed from 1 character per server to 1 character per account. That just shows their real intends, which is milking the cash cows, and that they never intended to allow free transfers to US servers anyway.

All they want is sell more games, they couldn't care less about you guys, it's the content of your wallet that they want.

Yep, and it defies the portrayal that the DF fanboys are trying to paint, i.e. that AV is not here to make money but to make a good game bullshit.

They will try to milk every cent they can out of this game and apparently by any means neccessary.

Originally posted by Binny45

To play devils advocate though, they (they being the company) ususally cover their collective asses by stating that your experiences may change during gameplay.  This is usually in the EULA and translates to "We'll do what we like, if you don't like it, stop playing."  I personally think this is a crummy way to do business, but with everyone out there vying for MMO dollars, I'm not really surprised.

I agree with the OP. What they've done is definitely shifty.

The "your experience may change during gameplay" has nothing to do with hidden fees or false advertising - which is what we're dealing with here. It's a reasonable disclaimer for a product like mmos which can undergo significant changes over time. Without it, you could theoretically demand your money back if they implemented a patch you didn't like.

What they've very clearly done is sold this product to some consumers under false pretenses.