Originally posted by TormDK

 Even with the VAT charge being applied to non-eu services (It was targeted at the p0rn industry initially, but MMOG's got hit as well) I'd still rather pay in Dollars since good old Bush ran that country into the sink so it's worth almost nothing.

Valve did the "smart" (Read : Greedy) thing and changed their pricing to reflect that 1USD = 1Euro, even though thats not nearly the truth even with the 17.5% VAT on top of the US sale.

The thing about buying a US account is all well and fine, except that you need an american billing adress (And billing information) nowadays to use that US box you bought. The bastards think of everything.

Which is a shame really, as I initially started playing MMOG's to play with people from all over the world, but now we get boxed in based on our geographic region which is uttter bollocks. Only SoE seems to allow for a global community.

i totally agree with you .thats why i enjoyed final fantasy 11 and eveonline so much .you could  get to know people from all over the world.

yeah they wont let you buy the us version cuz if i get a ping of around 50 in europe i might be getting a ping of around 400 on us server .and to seargent frog or whatever his name is .i have asked most people in asia and they say there is no free cd key for warhammer in asia .and people pay for it just like they do in europe or america. there are around 100k people playing this game in asia. for wow taiwan i myself signed up for the trial version and you cant play the trial if you havent top up my card of 150 points or the other way you should have a cd key .so except aion there is no game that is giving the trial free in asia . so your assumptions are mostly wrong .and i can understand you are a little far from asia thats why you have limited resources .but thanks for pin pointing it out!!!

 First time i see people using the chewacka defense in a forum (chewaka live in endor..)

Only thing I can say on this topic is.  If you can't afford it don't play it, don't blame the fact that you pay money for stuff in capitalism.  On the other hand, maybe all the free stuff you pirated off the net have spoiled you into thinking this is somehow a world buildt on communism?

Originally posted by Neosai

Only thing I can say on this topic is.  If you can't afford it don't play it, don't blame the fact that you pay money for stuff in capitalism.  On the other hand, maybe all the free stuff you pirated off the net have spoiled you into thinking this is somehow a world buildt on communism?

Let say that the "reference" is in euro for the subscription fee. The game subscription fee in euro would be 14.99€ and in dollar it would be $19.99. Given an exchange rate around 1,40. Now instead of $19.99 they would raise it to $24.99 :S I think you would react to that.

Now when it is done,no exchange rate balancing, it is ok. When it's not that obvious as they replace the $ with €. This is a quite feasible thing to correct and do it right.

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Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Neosai

Only thing I can say on this topic is.  If you can't afford it don't play it, don't blame the fact that you pay money for stuff in capitalism.  On the other hand, maybe all the free stuff you pirated off the net have spoiled you into thinking this is somehow a world buildt on communism?

 

Let say that the "reference" is in euro for the subscription fee. The game subscription fee in euro would be 14.99€ and in dollar it would be $19.99. Given an exchange rate around 1,40. Now instead of $19.99 they would raise it to $24.99 :S I think you would react to that.

 

Now when it is done,no exchange rate balancing, it is ok. When it's not that obvious as they replace the $ with €. This is a quite feasible thing to correct and do it right.

 

NOT 14,99€ it is 12,99€  14,99 $

Originally posted by 0guz

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Neosai

Only thing I can say on this topic is.  If you can't afford it don't play it, don't blame the fact that you pay money for stuff in capitalism.  On the other hand, maybe all the free stuff you pirated off the net have spoiled you into thinking this is somehow a world buildt on communism?

 

Let say that the "reference" is in euro for the subscription fee. The game subscription fee in euro would be 14.99€ and in dollar it would be $19.99. Given an exchange rate around 1,40. Now instead of $19.99 they would raise it to $24.99 :S I think you would react to that.

 

Now when it is done,no exchange rate balancing, it is ok. When it's not that obvious as they replace the $ with €. This is a quite feasible thing to correct and do it right.

 

NOT 14,99€ it is 12,99€  14,99 $

 

Yes, the numbers are wrong but it still doesnt change the point made.

 This money exchange is a world of complications... as NCSoft has HQs in both EU and US (or from a better point of view, their HQ is in Korea), I don't see why they charge like this, unless the laws of VAT and extra taxes from EU force them to make the the price equivalent to the US price.

Just because other companies do change their prices it doesn't mean they aren't losing money with that.

Anyway, I also have to buy subscriptions and games (especially from video games) from the US and ship it to Brazil, otherwise I'd have to pay twice, sometimes triple the amount I would pay in here. It's so ridiculous.

Originally posted by jrs77

The Euro got introduced in 1996, but this was only on paper and not a real currency people could pay with. The EURO we can actually hold in our hands, got introduced 2002, and since 2002 the USD never was worth more then the EURO.

The lowest I can remember since the Euro got introduced was 1 Euro = 1.03 USD and this is, how the EURO initially was created for, to have a currency that matches the US 1:1.

However, for the last 3 years the EURO was never less worth then 1.25 USD and tody it's 1 EURO = 1.40 USD.

So stop keep talking crap, that the americans were in the same situation before, then we europeans are today. It doesn't hold true to the reality.

Fact is, for the last 7 years, since we europeans actually pay in EURO, we're paying allways more then the americans, if the company does only switch out the currency-sign.

Not true. The lowest was 1 EURO = 0.8281 USD, 1 USD was worth more than 1.2 EURO. So they WERE in the similar situation.

Originally posted by mardo303

Originally posted by jrs77

The Euro got introduced in 1996, but this was only on paper and not a real currency people could pay with. The EURO we can actually hold in our hands, got introduced 2002, and since 2002 the USD never was worth more then the EURO.

The lowest I can remember since the Euro got introduced was 1 Euro = 1.03 USD and this is, how the EURO initially was created for, to have a currency that matches the US 1:1.

However, for the last 3 years the EURO was never less worth then 1.25 USD and tody it's 1 EURO = 1.40 USD.

So stop keep talking crap, that the americans were in the same situation before, then we europeans are today. It doesn't hold true to the reality.

Fact is, for the last 7 years, since we europeans actually pay in EURO, we're paying allways more then the americans, if the company does only switch out the currency-sign.

 

Not true. The lowest was 1 EURO = 0.8281 USD, 1 USD was worth more than 1.2 EURO. So they WERE in the similar situation.

 

For almost a year from the introduction with euro in physical coins. Since 2003 the Euro has been worth more then Dollar. How did thing look during 2002, was $ being replaced with € aswell in this manner?

Originally posted by Torsche

I see the US Dollar, UK Pound, Euro calculator has broken. What a rip off. America can keep Aion.

http://www.direct2drive.com/6/8110/product/Buy-Aion:-The-Tower-of-Eternity-Download

50 dollars for US customers, 30 pounds for UK.

What is the issue people?

Direct2Drive sells the digital download version of the regular game for appropriate amounts.

Cheers!

Personally if i like something ,i could not care less about the price within reason of course.There are a million types of entertaiment and gaming is still one of the cheapest out there.

Each person has to look at themselves and decide if they already waste tons of money everyday,those people could exchange some waste for gaming easily.For those that barely survive paycheck to paycheck,i would not recomend a P2P game at all,stick to the cheaper F2P games,live within your means.

For myself if i liked Aion and their developer i would pay as high as 30+ a month ,that is still only 1 buck a day,your not going to find cheaper entertaiment anywhere.The problem is that  I find AIon  to be a cheap design and PVP ,i have zero interest in and NCSOFT,well they top the list of Korean scammers.Real money involved in the game with a design to encourage RMT and a  KNOWN [failure] for anti hack is a giveaway the company is crooked.Almost "ALL"Korean games are infested with botting and RMT trading  at very high rates.

The great thing about capitalism.is, thereisnt only one store in the world.

You dont need to buy the game off steam. Im canadian and i dont use steam. I have no problem walking into the store and buying the box.

The problem is the monthly subs in general. Chinese are not paying for the box and paying per hour. $15 US will get you 300 hours in China, to most people that would last a couple months. I'm not american but I think it's stupid to blame it on the american price when China is getting this game the cheapest.

However you get what you pay for, the more money you are paying NCSoft per month the more they value your business and the higher quality service you will get. If thats not enough for you, good luck finding another game. I'd play Aion even if it was $30 a month because MMO's are cheap entertainment and I get my money's worth since it saves me from buying and renting xbox games as often. Sometimes it saves me a trip to the theatre. I used to spend tons of money on video games and movies and MMO's have cut my expenses.

Originally posted by Torsche

I see the US Dollar, UK Pound, Euro calculator has broken. What a rip off. America can keep Aion.

Sorry that your looking for a bail-out on playing a mmorpg, when all mainstream games are about $50 for the box with a $15 recurring fee.

I wont personally pay 50$ for the box. If the game turns out to be gods own MMO then later on when its a free download I'll get involved. I have 6 other games on my shelves at the moment that offer nearly an identical experience. No innovation = no sale.

Originally posted by Prankster

I wont personally pay 50$ for the box. If the game turns out to be gods own MMO then later on when its a free download I'll get involved. I have 6 other games on my shelves at the moment that offer nearly an identical experience. No innovation = no sale.

I thought we were born playing "gods own mmo". That's why I play online mmo's to begin with....besides god's mmo has unfair and expensive pricing practices. All the cash shops ruined the game anyway.

It's called market economics.

First, it costs more for licensing, maintainence, et al in Europe than it does in the US, as we don't tax shit to death as much here as there.

Second, y'all are old!  You don't have the youth market that the US has.  The US is the youngest of first-world nations.  we are third in overall population.  We buy more games than you.  So, you pay more for the average game.  Deal with it.

Finally, I would love to get a game for ten to twenty percent higher a price, considering that our high medications PAY for your free/low cost perscription prices. If you had to pay in medical costs what they shove down throats here, Y'all would either be paying Sweden's taxes, or be bankrupt.

Originally posted by haggus71

It's called market economics.

First, it costs more for licensing, maintainence, et al in Europe than it does in the US, as we don't tax shit to death as much here as there.

Second, y'all are old!  You don't have the youth market that the US has.  The US is the youngest of first-world nations.  we are third in overall population.  We buy more games than you.  So, you pay more for the average game.  Deal with it.

Finally, I would love to get a game for ten to twenty percent higher a price, considering that our high medications PAY for your free/low cost perscription prices. If you had to pay in medical costs what they shove down throats here, Y'all would either be paying Sweden's taxes, or be bankrupt.

"Free" health care where you wait 6month-18months for operation, 3months+ for visit in specialist doctor,are you jealous of that really?

Originally posted by Torsche

I see the US Dollar, UK Pound, Euro calculator has broken. What a rip off. America can keep Aion.

They do it, because they love you.

Originally posted by ruonim

Originally posted by haggus71

It's called market economics.

First, it costs more for licensing, maintainence, et al in Europe than it does in the US, as we don't tax shit to death as much here as there.

Second, y'all are old!  You don't have the youth market that the US has.  The US is the youngest of first-world nations.  we are third in overall population.  We buy more games than you.  So, you pay more for the average game.  Deal with it.

Finally, I would love to get a game for ten to twenty percent higher a price, considering that our high medications PAY for your free/low cost perscription prices. If you had to pay in medical costs what they shove down throats here, Y'all would either be paying Sweden's taxes, or be bankrupt.

"Free" health care where you wait 6month-18months for operation, 3months+ for visit in specialist doctor,are you jealous of that really?

why necro this thread?

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by ruonim

Originally posted by haggus71

It's called market economics.

First, it costs more for licensing, maintainence, et al in Europe than it does in the US, as we don't tax shit to death as much here as there.

Second, y'all are old!  You don't have the youth market that the US has.  The US is the youngest of first-world nations.  we are third in overall population.  We buy more games than you.  So, you pay more for the average game.  Deal with it.

Finally, I would love to get a game for ten to twenty percent higher a price, considering that our high medications PAY for your free/low cost perscription prices. If you had to pay in medical costs what they shove down throats here, Y'all would either be paying Sweden's taxes, or be bankrupt.

"Free" health care where you wait 6month-18months for operation, 3months+ for visit in specialist doctor,are you jealous of that really?

why necro this thread?

Because someone's common sense left long time ago.

There's a lot of threads being necro'd lately, and most seem to be by first-posters