I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

I believe the expression goes more along the lines of, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" and is reference to the story of the Trojan horse.

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

Originally posted by Autarch

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

 

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

Its not about developing an incomplete game its about lies and more lies.  People were ok with it being incomplete and were willing to offer suggestions , and they did. The problem is they botched the NA release told those NA folks they can play on EU NEVER mentioning if they wanted a fresh start on NA they would have to buy the game again. 

i don't think it's a greek thing, tasos is just a clown and liar of epic proportions. :)

Originally posted by Ajmags

Originally posted by Autarch

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

 

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

 

Its not about developing an incomplete game its about lies and more lies.  People were ok with it being incomplete and were willing to offer suggestions , and they did. The problem is they botched the NA release told those NA folks they can play on EU NEVER mentioning if they wanted a fresh start on NA they would have to buy the game again. 

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Originally posted by Ajmags

Originally posted by Autarch

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

 

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

 

Its not about developing an incomplete game its about lies and more lies.  People were ok with it being incomplete and were willing to offer suggestions , and they did. The problem is they botched the NA release told those NA folks they can play on EU NEVER mentioning if they wanted a fresh start on NA they would have to buy the game again. 

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

But don't forget the Libyan connection either.

The Chairman and majority owner of Aventurine/Razorwax Mr Jade Mehdawi is a Libyan/Greek.

Consider yourselves warned.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I believe the expression goes more along the lines of, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" and is reference to the story of the Trojan horse.

 

Yep, it's not 'don't trust greeks' it's what Kyleran said.

And the phrase comes from the Trojan War. The phrase itself has a wider meaning and you could relate it to other sayings. Basically, if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is or look before you leap.

You were impatient and willing to believe whatever vagueness was told to you. Now maybe you won't make the same mistake.

MO is the next mmo that has similiar promises, but so far the devs at SV have proven to be way more open and straightforward. I'm not about to blindly defend MO though, because I've never played it. Same goes for people who might attack it, you've never played it, so reserve judgement.

If you lack the patience to wait for a game to come out of the gate and see how it walks for a week or two, then that's your own fault.

That's what I did with DF and I'm glad I did. I planned to wait a month after it's release to see how it did. I avoided the retarded F5 lines, avoided giving my money to scam artists, and avoided a lot of aggrivation. Patience, in this case, is made of win.

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

And I believe you can't read their forums.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.

Note that "cannot freely transfer" does not mean "cannot transfer for free". Where do you people get your sources? These forums? El oh El.

Originally posted by Shanesan

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

And I believe you can't read their forums.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.

 

Note that "cannot freely transfer" does not mean "cannot transfer for free". Where do you people get your sources? These forums? El oh El.

 

You forgot the line about "Certain restrictions and charges will apply, to be announced at a later date"

Originally posted by Shanesan

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

And I believe you can't read their forums.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.

 

Note that "cannot freely transfer" does not mean "cannot transfer for free". Where do you people get your sources? These forums? El oh El.

 

"On the American server: The American server will launch on July 7th. Characters from the European server can be cloned and moved without their possessions 3 months after the American launch. Certain restrictions and charges will apply, to be announced at a later date. In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client. More information on the American server will be available in a few days."

Im pretty sure there will be a transfer fee.

The clarification that you quoted was for the people thinking that they would have to buy the client again no matter what.

Honestly though, if Tasos had just been straightforward with all this from the beginning, a lot of this drama would not be happening right now.  The ninja edit of the website does not help him any either >.<.  Why doesn't he just be "real" for once and stop leaving ambiguous statements?

Let's just hope that DF can survive this (looks grim but who knows) because we need more games that try to break the mold.  Let's also hope that AV will finally get their act together after this.  Really I do not think they can really afford not to since it seems that a lot of people are at their last straw.

Lastly, that transfer fee better not be $35, because that's just plain wrong. 

I wouldn't be surprised if the transfer fee was at least 25 dollars. Also wouldn't be surprised if it was up to 40 dollars, nothing would surprise me from AV at this point.

And if it is in that neighborhood then Tasos will post on the forums and be all, "We understand the fee isn't cheap, but you have to understand that our servers are very far apart and we want to make certain such a distant transfer won't cause any problems. In order to assure this we have to check, double check and triple check all the data before and after we send it. This is very costly and time consuming."

And if I just pre-quoted Tasos even nearly word for word then I am a god and demand all your monies, rawr.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I believe the expression goes more along the lines of, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" and is reference to the story of the Trojan horse.

 

Yes you are indeed correct on tis one.

And might i add ,if anyone tries to draw parrarels between Aventurine and the myth trying to compare them he'll find himself making a fallacy because if it was Aventurine that was responsible for creating the Trojan horse and Tasos was Ulysees then the people of Troy would've burned the ugly thing at the gates and this whole myth would've gone down in history as the worst plan since Abraham Lincoln said "Geez, i'm bored kicking it around the house tonight. Let's go and catch a play at the theatre."

dont trust the geek lol

most racist thread i have seen in a while, can we get a lock please?

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Originally posted by Ajmags

Originally posted by Autarch

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

 

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

 

Its not about developing an incomplete game its about lies and more lies.  People were ok with it being incomplete and were willing to offer suggestions , and they did. The problem is they botched the NA release told those NA folks they can play on EU NEVER mentioning if they wanted a fresh start on NA they would have to buy the game again. 

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=198228

True, I do expect there to be a fee... but that is hardly anything different from a number of MMORPGs.

I'll back away and let people rave and rant if the fee turns out to be 20+ dollars... but otherwise i'd still expect it to be a non-issue. I believe people are more upset about having to wait 3 months, than any fee that might get associated with it.

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Originally posted by Ajmags

Originally posted by Autarch

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by mrmeloni

I always thought this saying was just something that was made up for a laugh, but after wasting my time and money on that sharade that is Darkfall i'm starting to think maybe the old saying holds some weight.

nah it holds no weight. what different did av did that SOE hasnt done? if it did hold weight then we should never trust an American.

 

I can't think of the last time that SOE DEVELOPED an utterly incomplete game.

 

Its not about developing an incomplete game its about lies and more lies.  People were ok with it being incomplete and were willing to offer suggestions , and they did. The problem is they botched the NA release told those NA folks they can play on EU NEVER mentioning if they wanted a fresh start on NA they would have to buy the game again. 

Correction...

If you want to play on the NA server at it's release, you need to pay.

Otherwise they will transfer you for free at a later date.

I believe you are wrong... You have to pay some sort of fee to transfer in 3 months.

 

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=198228

True, I do expect there to be a fee... but that is hardly anything different from a number of MMORPGs.

I'll back away and let people rave and rant if the fee turns out to be 20+ dollars... but otherwise i'd still expect it to be a non-issue. I believe people are more upset about having to wait 3 months, than any fee that might get associated with it.

Waiting 3 months seems normal to me for a new server. Other games I have played give the players who roll a char on a new server time to develop before they start getting inundated with highly developed chars who have been playing since release. It makes perfect sense. I know AV has lied a lot about this game, but I do not understand why some people are so upset about this particular situation. If you should be upset at AV it should be at the state of the game after years and years of development. Not because they are following standard procedure.

Am I the only one who really hates it when people just make up a saying to try to prove a point?