Originally posted by JTBanker

So just who is the NA publisher?

This is a scam, plain and simple. Tacos seems to forget that the wayback machine shows everything about this shoddy company back to 2001. You can spin anyway you want but the facts are still out there for anyone that cares to take the time to look.

As to the transfer of data between servers...newsflash for the morons out there.... the servers are hosted by the same company on the same infrastructure so transfer of data would be trivial and due to the sub 15K number of subs probably take very few minutes.

This makes Deceit-n-lie look like a poor attempt at scamming customers. This has to be the piece-de-resistance to date.

BTW there are NO legal reasons why they can't allow transfers between markets. NONE, NADA, ZIP. If you can provide me with a citation from a case where it was decided that you can't sell between markets / transfer data between markets then I will retract my statement, but I don't expect any of you to provide that citation.

Anyone that works for a multi-national corp knows that data and products cross market lines all the time. The only real restrictions are defense and intelligence related.

 

Spot on man. It's a bullshit money grab, and that's ALL it is.

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

Makes sense to me.

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

Originally posted by xiirot

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

Indeed, infact they will still be ahead of people. If I am correct EU servers will have been out longer then 3 months when NA ones come up. Sure you can't take your gear, but your skills will be ahead of fresh characters on them.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by JTBanker

So just who is the NA publisher?

This is a scam, plain and simple. Tacos seems to forget that the wayback machine shows everything about this shoddy company back to 2001. You can spin anyway you want but the facts are still out there for anyone that cares to take the time to look.

As to the transfer of data between servers...newsflash for the morons out there.... the servers are hosted by the same company on the same infrastructure so transfer of data would be trivial and due to the sub 15K number of subs probably take very few minutes.

This makes Deceit-n-lie look like a poor attempt at scamming customers. This has to be the piece-de-resistance to date.

BTW there are NO legal reasons why they can't allow transfers between markets. NONE, NADA, ZIP. If you can provide me with a citation from a case where it was decided that you can't sell between markets / transfer data between markets then I will retract my statement, but I don't expect any of you to provide that citation.

Anyone that works for a multi-national corp knows that data and products cross market lines all the time. The only real restrictions are defense and intelligence related.

 

 

Spot on man. It's a bullshit money grab, and that's ALL it is.

Money grab.  Another accurate term to describe what Aventurine is doing, again.  The first being the blatantly active and misleading pitch to North American players to lure them to the EU server and plunk down @ $50 for an account while telling them that they "will" accommodate character transfers once their server is available. 

As many were wise to their shifty conduct over time, most, if not everyone that subscribed, didn't know it was a ruse to get immediate cash to fund the operation for the EU server and that what was not being revealed is that they (Aventurine) knew all along that they would bait the North American base into purchasing an account once, then reveal immediately before they let live that second server for NA, that those same players will have to re-purchase an account to play on what they lead them to believe would be just a 'transfer'.   Don't think for a moment that the 'Transfer Fee' wont be any more discouraging.

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by xiirot

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

 

Indeed, infact they will still be ahead of people. If I am correct EU servers will have been out longer then 3 months when NA ones come up. Sure you can't take your gear, but your skills will be ahead of fresh characters on them.

 

They may be ahead in skills depending on the "Restrictions" that Aventurine will be doing. But just having your starter weapon and nothing else and have to grind resources/mobs all over again to get money/gear will sure be fun. 

The only ones that will benefit are those that have clan mates that are starting fresh on NA. For those that don't have clan mates starting fresh, is it really worth the price to transfer with nothing but your starter weapon?

I do like how Aventurine is going to cover their butts by making a new web page and the "Free Expansion" which will probably be the missing content that Tasos said was feature complete before EU1 opened.

Originally posted by xiirot

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

here's the main difference....this is taken from Forumfall:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glak
Since the last post was deleted (no not locked ... deleted) ... here we are again:

Before: (From 2003 to about a few weeks ago)
http://web.archive.org/web/200802020.../gameplay.html

"Can I play all races on the same server?
No you may not. This is something we have discussed at length, and we believe that it would allow for easy spying, taking away from the gaming experience. If you play an Alfar, for example, you may log on your Elf scout just to check if the Elven town of Charybdis is well defended at the moment or not. If you want to play a different race, you may do so on a different server / game world. "

And without anouncement they change it to:
http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/gameplay.html
"Can I play all races on the same server?
You can only have one character per Darkfall account."

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCatano
You're being purposely ignorant.

AD6 - Darkfall Support

Posted On: 21 Jun 2009 12:10 AM
As it stands now there is only one server, so there is only one character per account. Once additional servers open, you will be able to create a new character on a new server.

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Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it. We have had people playing without problem from all over the US and Canada. That being said, our servers are located in Germany and distance does affect ping-time. - Tasos

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Our first release is the European release. The North American release will follow as soon as possible but not until a few months later. We’re allowing players from N. America to participate in the European release due to this fact. Of course we’ll make some allowances for these players if they would like to move to the US server when it launches. - Tasos

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They're right after the European servers, but not soon enough for a lot of players to wait. We don't have a solid date to announce on a N. American server and that's why we're allowing N. American players the option to play on the European server. Ideally we would have loved to be able to launch world-wide but we just don't have the resources to do it right. - Tasos

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Athens, Greece – December 5th, 2008 - Audio Visual Enterprises SA and Aventurine SA in a joint statement today announced that their highly anticipated MMORPG title Darkfall Online will launch across Europe on January 22nd, 2009. North American players are also welcome to participate in the European launch of Darkfall which will precede a North American launch.

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So, let me turn this around on you... Where is the very important piece of information about transfer delays, fees, and client rebuy if starting on NA launch day? Don't you realize if that very important piece of information was stated beforehand, many of us NA players would not have started until the NA launch? I'm willing to bet that Tasos knew, which in my opinion, is why he conveniently failed to mention it. $$$. You asked for implied text or hints. I'm sure you'll spin it in some way to fit your gripe.
 

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the Aion devs aren't LYING TO YOU to get you to buy the game now, are they??

Ok, let’s add this up a little and see what we are in for. Four years of promising a game that lacks many elements promised, followed by a …different kind of launch classified by some as Top Secret, a shift from what was promised to a more…self administered “hard core” style of play. Game site reviews are…spread to 2 sides of a pendulum with a mid-level players rating on this site. Macro’s and Hacks and bears (OH MY) on the EU server with debates about game coding smeared all over youtube. Then a “you can switch to the NA server” advertisement is put out, lacking any mention of charge to old and prospective players.
NO, do not tell me this is similar to other game practices.
NO, do not tell me that the company is new/small/inexperienced and had no idea prior to the NA announcement that there would be a cost to the player.
And NO, do not tell me that the server will be different and more advanced than the EU server.
 

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by xiirot

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

 

Indeed, infact they will still be ahead of people. If I am correct EU servers will have been out longer then 3 months when NA ones come up. Sure you can't take your gear, but your skills will be ahead of fresh characters on them.

 

This and character limitation is what scares me most about the NA servers.  I understand the reasoning on character limitation originally having only one server.  I do not understand the transfer option, skills seem far more imporant that gear initially.

Originally posted by xiirot

We should all just stop talking about AV and DF, maybe they'll just go away.

*remembers billboard/advertising episode of the Simpsons, in a Halloween episode*
"Just don't look, Just don't look!"

I look forward to this game continuing it's decline toward a slow painful death. 

Buy this game once. Shame on AV.

Buy this game twice. Shame on me.

Can't believe people would pay for this game twice.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by JoeTan

I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:

 

 Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
__________________

 

Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.

 

haha.  I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.

 

Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted.  Tasos said that character transfers would be offered.  He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client.  He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.

 

Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment.   Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch. 

 

You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again.  Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client.  And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.

 

You didn't purchase a client.

The client was free.
You purchased an account.

Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.

You’re grasping at straws. The client is the same as the account for all intensive circumstances. You got a free month, then were charged for the client/account. Now you have to pay again for NA-1, either by paying up front for NA-1 Launch or paying over three months with an additional transfer fee with restrictions. Either way it’s the same. I’m less concerned by the money cost as I am the principle.

 

 

Let me clarify.
Tasos should be kicked in the nuts for 4 months straight for what he's doing.

However,
That doesn't change the fact that
Everyone playing DFO right now never purchased a client.  The client was free.  I downloaded the client 2 weeks before I got my account.  You didn't need an account to get the client.  We payed for an ACCOUNT.

NOW
Av is charing people for the CLIENT.
"In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client"

Yes,
That includes your account.
My problem is
I ALREADY PAID FOR AN ACCOUNT AND GOT THE CLIENT FOR FREE.  EU players don't have to pay for a client now.  They only paid for an account, the same one I paid for.  NA players have to buy the client to play on the NA server at launch.

I'm not grasping at anything.
I'm pointing out what a lot of people seem to missing.
It's not an American account you have to buy, it's an American client.
Do you really think the American client is any dif. then the EU one?  No, it's not.
It's bullshit.

Edit:  I want to clarify this a little more.
Not long ago a president was set in the way that MMO are distributed.  A lot of companies stopped charging for the client because of a court case Blizzard won against a company that distributed a hack.
When you load the client the first thing you have to to is except the ToS/ EULA.  NOW, when you agree to it, you agree to a LIMITTED LISENCE AGREEMENT.  See, I had a problem with this when Blizz won thier case cause I didn't purchase a LIMITTED liecense agreement when I baught WoW, I baught a game, a game that now I don't actually own.  If I buy a single player game, I onw that game, not so for an MMO now-a-days.  You can't really charge for software when you also charge for a limitted license agreement.

I didn't buy software from Av.  I purchased, esentially, a limitted lisence agreement.
No where is one of the limitations of that lisencing agreement stated that that I may only acces the content of the world from a EU server.   I never purchased an account that was limitted to where I may access it.  Because of that, I don't feel that Av has a right to limit the use of my agreement.

LOL...   rotflmao

You didn't pay $50 for an account, you payed to login to the game you downloaded.  Aventurine made it freely distributed, because their own meager servers wouldn't be able to handle the load.

Anyone can also download an EQ client for free. But that does you no good....   UNTIL you buy the game and have an account!

The client isn't free or even yours, until you can login to it. It's free to download, because you can't do anything without first buying it. 

*dee dee dee*

Also, to say that the NA client and the EU client are the same and not different is also wrong. The EU server runs off a server located in EU, the NA client runs off a server that will be located in NA...already they are different. Still gonna be the same suck ass game though, so in a sense THEY ARE THE SAME...yet different...hehe.

So.. Still no word on who the NA Publisher is? Until then I will assume that the NA sever will not be located in the US.. Even then I have my doubts. Like Ascaron and Sacred I and II.. both the EU and US servers are located in Germany.

Originally posted by Ryukan

Also, to say that the NA client and the EU client are the same and not different is also wrong.

Nice try but you fail.

Only people that will need to buy the game twice are peopel who want to play on the NA serer day one. Everyone else can just transfer and pay for a transfer fee tha most people saw miles away. Now that said, AV did say that players would be able to have 1 character per serer not account. Either they lied, or didn't know that it wouldn't be possible for that. I believe that the deal they have with their NA publisher, should there be a seperate publisher, is the reason for that change (which is the only change)

GNi is the NA hosting company.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by miagisan

Tasos -->

I was under the impression that by now  he would've run out of feet to shoot himself in

What is this guy ? A centipede?

No Centipedes have 100 feet, he's more of a millipede. *1,000 feet*

Originally posted by xpiher

Only people that will need to buy the game twice are peopel who want to play on the NA serer day one. Everyone else can just transfer and pay for a transfer fee tha most people saw miles away. Now that said, AV did say that players would be able to have 1 character per serer not account. Either they lied, or didn't know that it wouldn't be possible for that. I believe that the deal they have with their NA publisher, should there be a seperate publisher, is the reason for that change (which is the only change)

 

GNi is the NA hosting company.

Also, GNi is the EU hosting company. Same server structure, different publishers.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by xpiher

Only people that will need to buy the game twice are peopel who want to play on the NA serer day one. Everyone else can just transfer and pay for a transfer fee tha most people saw miles away. Now that said, AV did say that players would be able to have 1 character per serer not account. Either they lied, or didn't know that it wouldn't be possible for that. I believe that the deal they have with their NA publisher, should there be a seperate publisher, is the reason for that change (which is the only change)

 

GNi is the NA hosting company.

 

Also, GNi is the EU hosting company. Same server structure, different publishers.

^^^^ As I pointed out pages ago.

So I ask for the 3rd time, just who the hell is the NA publisher that Av has to pay money to since there is no box, no advertising, no shelf space, it is a torrent download, no customer service, etc, etc, etc.....

FRAUD sounds like the name of the publisher to me.

Originally posted by JTBanker

 

^^^^ As I pointed out pages ago.

 

So I ask for the 3rd time, just who the hell is the NA publisher that Av has to pay money to since there is no box, no advertising, no shelf space, it is a torrent download, no customer service, etc, etc, etc.....

FRAUD sounds like the name of the publisher to me.

FRAUD or not (which I'm sure it isn't) it appears you tards don't know how to read this:

"Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server."

Why does it matter who publishes in America? What if it's EA? What if they get absorbed? What will you scream then?

It seems like you guys are grasping at straws in some unfounded way  to baww. It's not vaporware, but the trolls sure keep stinking up the place.

Originally posted by Shanesan

Originally posted by JTBanker

 

^^^^ As I pointed out pages ago.

 

So I ask for the 3rd time, just who the hell is the NA publisher that Av has to pay money to since there is no box, no advertising, no shelf space, it is a torrent download, no customer service, etc, etc, etc.....

FRAUD sounds like the name of the publisher to me.

 

FRAUD or not (which I'm sure it isn't) it appears you tards don't know how to read this:

 

"Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server."

 

That is a misdirection. They do not have to buy the american client but have to then wait three months. I.e. a clever way of saying that they dont have to buy it but if they want to be there at start, which most people will, they have to buy it.

Tasos is a scammer and this whole game is one big scam.

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Originally posted by Yamota

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That is a misdirection. They do not have to buy the american client but have to then wait three months. I.e. a clever way of saying that they dont have to buy it but if they want to be there at start, which most people will, they have to buy it.
Tasos is a scammer and this whole game is one big scam.

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No one forces you to buy the game again. IF you hate buiing it again for your territory, your law and your taxes. Just wait 3 months.

Just imagine the servers where released only 3 months latter. Since you will be migrated with your skills, you will just continue playing, but now with people on your timezone and somewhat better ping.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by xiirot

Something just occurred to me.

The three month wait for the transfer...

...this gives people who start a brand new character on the NA1 to catch up to the people who will be transfering over to NA1 in 3 months.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Sidenote:  I purchased a Chinese Aion account so I could test out the game and see if it was anything special.  I do not expect NCSOFT to give me an American account for free.  Nor do I expect them to transfer my characters to any NA server from the Chinese ones....

...just food for thought

 

here's the main difference....this is taken from Forumfall:

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glak
Since the last post was deleted (no not locked ... deleted) ... here we are again:

Before: (From 2003 to about a few weeks ago)
http://web.archive.org/web/200802020.../gameplay.html

"Can I play all races on the same server?
No you may not. This is something we have discussed at length, and we believe that it would allow for easy spying, taking away from the gaming experience. If you play an Alfar, for example, you may log on your Elf scout just to check if the Elven town of Charybdis is well defended at the moment or not. If you want to play a different race, you may do so on a different server / game world. "

And without anouncement they change it to:
http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/gameplay.html
"Can I play all races on the same server?
You can only have one character per Darkfall account."

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCatano
You're being purposely ignorant.

AD6 - Darkfall Support

Posted On: 21 Jun 2009 12:10 AM
As it stands now there is only one server, so there is only one character per account. Once additional servers open, you will be able to create a new character on a new server.

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Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it. We have had people playing without problem from all over the US and Canada. That being said, our servers are located in Germany and distance does affect ping-time. - Tasos

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Our first release is the European release. The North American release will follow as soon as possible but not until a few months later. We’re allowing players from N. America to participate in the European release due to this fact. Of course we’ll make some allowances for these players if they would like to move to the US server when it launches. - Tasos

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They're right after the European servers, but not soon enough for a lot of players to wait. We don't have a solid date to announce on a N. American server and that's why we're allowing N. American players the option to play on the European server. Ideally we would have loved to be able to launch world-wide but we just don't have the resources to do it right. - Tasos

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Athens, Greece – December 5th, 2008 - Audio Visual Enterprises SA and Aventurine SA in a joint statement today announced that their highly anticipated MMORPG title Darkfall Online will launch across Europe on January 22nd, 2009. North American players are also welcome to participate in the European launch of Darkfall which will precede a North American launch.

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So, let me turn this around on you... Where is the very important piece of information about transfer delays, fees, and client rebuy if starting on NA launch day? Don't you realize if that very important piece of information was stated beforehand, many of us NA players would not have started until the NA launch? I'm willing to bet that Tasos knew, which in my opinion, is why he conveniently failed to mention it. $$$. You asked for implied text or hints. I'm sure you'll spin it in some way to fit your gripe.
 

 

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the Aion devs aren't LYING TO YOU to get you to buy the game now, are they??

Hey, I was just stating my observations.  in no way did I intend for my observations to anger anyone, sorry for instigating a nerd rage...

I think a lot of folks are reading way too far into this, and making a big deal out of something that isn't even worth a second thought.

Aventurine is a video game studio.  They tried to create a game, they may or may not have intententionally lied about the features in their game (note the word intentionally), and they tried to release their game.  Having failed in almost every aspect of community relations, they have now earned themselves a reputation as money-hungry pigs with nothing better to do than devise schemes to steal money from the very community they rely on.

AVENTURINE

-- Video game company....?

-- or --

Super villains in disguise....? --

You be the judge...

AVENTURINE

-- Super villains in Video game company disguise....! --

Originally posted by Scoorge

 

AVENTURINE

-- Super villains in Video game company disguise....! --

 

 

lol. But seriously, if they are telling you what you need to know beforehand, thats not a fault on their side that this thread is a bunch of nerd raging pricks.

They didn't have to even let you transfer. Most companies don't. Concider yourselves lucky that they are doing their best to pull their own strings with their own game.

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