Hello guys.

I'm almost new to this forum. Just posted my videos few times on here but there wasn't much attention on it.

And I'm checking NA/EU people's opinion about Aion because i bought some NC Soft stocks after

I've played Aion in korean server(I'm korean and played DAOC for about 2years in korea server named as Baldur,

and  another 2-3 years in NA DAOC(Devon Cluster) after korean server shutted down.

I've made 3toons to RR11, alot of RR5-7 toons in both server.

Watching this forum is good to measure my stock worth will be increase or decrease i thought.

But i found that main stream in here is about 1-20 lvl's gameplay thing or WOW clonish pve stuff.

I surely can say Aion is game for PvP lovers or PvPve lovers(lots of PvPvE situation like when you raiding

huge boss who drop really good gear. Honestly most boss dont have much good AI.

But opposite race is aiming your back always, so its used to exciting and nervous.

For example few days ago there was Menotios raid in Abyss's Core which drop top gears in aion.

After about 8hours struggles It was done finally.(I'm Elyos)

As you can expect, there was enormous strategy, guerilla, backstab thing.

At first we had about  20man(elyos) and took down Menotios's hp to about 50%

and around that time asmodian started to backstab  us. Surely we couldn't take Menotios down on one try.

that was a Epic War between asmodian 2-30man ,elyos 3-40man 

to take menotios down for about 8 hours.

Anyway finally we could take him down. there wasn't worthy loot honestly were trashs but it was fun and cool enough

cause we defeated asmodians and earned quite good Abyss Points.

this is one episode about PvPvE, and for apsect of PvP

watch this video that i've made few weeks ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9LPPwGV_YU&feature=channel

you can DL high quality version at here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LU699BRA

Lastly I want to say two thing about Aion.

1. For PvP or PvPvE loversd Aion is good as much as DAOC, or even more

(I bet on better than daoc on NA at least..Korean just like to farm NPCs, earn golds. don't want to fight much).

2. For who finding good pure PvE stuffs or innovationg, new stuffs, maybe aion isnt good choice for you.

Thanks for reading.

Thanks for sharing. What I found remarkable is, how long your char was staying in the air. I thought in Aion you only was able to fly a very brief time?

Also, since this is PVP, I was astonished to see how long you survived. In other MMos PVP is usually die fast, run back, die, run back as endless circle. It is that which makes me feel PVP as boring, when most of the time is spent running back to the combat place.

Originally posted by Elikal

Thanks for sharing. What I found remarkable is, how long your char was staying in the air. I thought in Aion you only was able to fly a very brief time?

Also, since this is PVP, I was astonished to see how long you survived. In other MMos PVP is usually die fast, run back, die, run back as endless circle. It is that which makes me feel PVP as boring, when most of the time is spent running back to the combat place.

In the abyss flight time is unlimited I beleive.

Originally posted by gortic

Originally posted by Elikal

Thanks for sharing. What I found remarkable is, how long your char was staying in the air. I thought in Aion you only was able to fly a very brief time?

Also, since this is PVP, I was astonished to see how long you survived. In other MMos PVP is usually die fast, run back, die, run back as endless circle. It is that which makes me feel PVP as boring, when most of the time is spent running back to the combat place.

 

In the abyss flight time is unlimited I beleive.

It isnt unlimited, but with top wings, potions, buffs and what not you can reach such times easily.

 RVR is what will save this game I think because frankly the PVE isn't anything to brag about.

Thanks for sharing the video.

Did you have more than one healer in your group? Seems like you kept your team-mates up pretty well, is that possible for one healer in huge battles like that or did you have more than one healer? 

Either way, thanks. :)

So what do you loose if you die in pvp? Loot, exp and money?

Originally posted by arctarus

So what do you loose if you die in pvp? Loot, exp and money?

 

 

Abyss points (depending on the rank the DP there can be kinda harsh) and the chance to kill that raid boss :P

There's 1min flightable timer.

And lvl 50 Wings give 30sec more flight timer and +100 HP.

Lvl 40 WIngs give 1min 1min more flight timer but too expensive.

lvl 50 Abyss Gears(especially on acceceries) give you about 10-20sec more timer for each one

But this one is real hard to get, you gotta know. btw I have 2min 30sec flight timer with massive abyss gear.

and with dual fly timer recovering pot(one can buy with gold, one from abyss point)

not that hard to fly about 5-10min but costing money,abyss point for pots.

I'm mostly geared up me with Abyss Gears and my mates also

(most of my mates are from daoc we played together for more than 2years)

we are hardcore pvpers.

And Aion's pvp don't take much time to die or kill except fight against Templar.

This video showing particular situation that we bursting all of our ability and skills

include DP skill, some Artifact(like Shield of Abyss, 7000 damage absorb)

to beat massive enemies.

And when you die you lose Abyss Point that required for Abyss Gear or Abyss Potions or

Guardian Form(if you reach really highest Abyss Rank which ranking calculated by your Abyss Point amount

around 500,000 Abyss Point your rank is Five Star Officer, this rank gives you special ability that can

transform to Guardian for 10min in every 2hours. In this form 10vs1 is easy for you.

but just nvm, its impossible to reach totally atm, and useless because of too short duration but long cooltime

and as your abyss rank getting high you'll die in everywhere in everytime

regardless where are you and doing what.

everyone wants your head for Abyss Point Lotto. you become Lotto as your ranks getting high

I've been in an RvR at that exactl location yet there it was at least a 20+ v 20+ showdown, much worse in your situation because if you was flying at that point you would get shot down like AA Guns taking out a heli. So it's nice to see with less of them not watching above and they watch the others which is forward, give you the great opportunity to counter attack.

Edit

I sooo had to mute your video because I was expecting game sounds or maybe game music. Not hating on your choice of music but that stuff is annoying...great video though.

First of all i consider RvR a very weak approach to gaming,witch is why i never gave Warhammer any consideration.I also feel PVP is just a bad idea period for MMORPG's,as it makes a game more into a First Person Shooter than anything remotely close to a MMORPG.

Having said that,i feel if you must have a PVP,it needs to be done properly,witch none of the MMO's have come even close to doing.You need maps that offer a proper PVP setting,having a wide open space to PVP is not good and offers nothing to realistic combat.Think of it this way,if you were involved in real combat would you walk right out into the open and start challenging everything around you to a fight?no of course not,you should have some retreat,some cover to work with.

I realize perma death probably could never work,but constant dying and spawning makes a mockery of PVP,i mean my goldfish could do that,it offers nothing to the skill aspect of PVP. I am sure we all want some sort of skill level in PVP.So in saying that,there should be some sort of limitation to dying ,like maybe 5 deaths and you are restricted from that zone for an hour,a day whatever.Eventually one Realm would win the fight ,witch is suppose to be the purpose to PVP,not how resourceful you are at spawning.In a last man standing setting for PVP,once your dead you are out until the next PVP battle starts,this is the sort of limitation MMO's should have.

That is two areas of PVP that are done wrong and improperly,the other is the weapons,armoujr and spells.You need all of this to work with a properly laid out map,you need splash damage weapons,you need armour that is more immune to certain things than other types of armour are.You need long and short range spells.weapons.What i am saying is that you need to show some real effort in PVP,show some creativity and design.What i have seen is nothing more than allowing players to kill each other after certain levels in a certain zone and nothing else that offers a proper PVP setup.

In the case of Aion they have tried a couple things like movement of your player determines damage given taken and flying.Flying is a weak way to offer Z-Axis fighting,because like i said a map has to be designed to make it challneging,not just a wide open space.YTou should also have to earn your spot in the Z-Axis fighting,flying means everyone can do it.Movement of your player is a nice idea,but the player movement has to be slower so it is a reasoinable option.Once you bring in super fast animations,lag,multi hit swings,it takes it all away,witch is why i prefer the DODGING approach done in UT,but even so it is one area i approve of in Aion's PVP.

Ah i forgot to reply a question.

We running a group 2 Cleric, Chanter, Gladiator, Ranger, Spiritmaster

2 Cleric is necessary for hardcore group pvpers cause of purify(instant debuff curing spell from cleric with 0.5sec cooldown lol)

a cleric gonna be in trouble by some CC thing, other cleric gotta cure it so many times.

and I'll apply some more advice about Aion Group play in PvP(RvR)

Chanter do really much thing in aspect of group utility, Chanter has the Main Stun skill and really cool group enchanting stuffs

Glad is decent damage dealer for stable dps with decent armor

Ranger spike huge dps in very short sec, but dps isn't stable and has fragile armor

Spiritmaster mainly do CCs and his DP skill is powerful AOE dots that necessary to deal with many enemies

Also situation in my video isn't usual fight, as i told it most situation

in that video was kinda storm of all expensive abilities in this game not that easy :P

Thanks for the info.  I was considering this game for holding me over until FFXIV but the main draw for me was exactly what you are covering.  Thanks again.

The group you run is almost exactly what some friends and I were planning also only we have a Sorceror instead of Ranger.  Question for you though:

How useful is Spirit Master in groups throughout the game?  Mostly RvR, but PvP also?  I was thinking this would be my class but I was worried it would just be a situational DPS class that would be chosen behind Gladiator/Sorc/Ranger. 

Good. Spiritmaster have hardly curable CC the fear thing, when you get in fear mode you can't control

your toon and it runs away from the Spiritmaster who casted fear to you (can cure by clerics Purify, but the toon got feared is running away too fast so almost impossible to catch it up for cure)

Spiritmaster is good for all aspect for group v group or group v mass enemy

Sorcerer is more likely particular situation owner, deal dps as much as gladiator but weak armor and not that good cc ability

DP skill is spike of damage especially lv 50 one is. but sorcerer cant deal stable dps not like ranger

1.Stable dps in most situation for a target :  

Glad >= Ranger > Sorc > Templar >= Spiritmaster

2. Spikes of dps in rare situation(a hour cooltime ability storming for certain situation) to mass aoe target 

Sorc > Spiritmaster >= Glad > Ranger

3.  Spikes of dps in general,every situation which necessary to kill a target quickly on a eyeblink

Ranger > Glad >= Sorc > Templar > Spiritmaster

4. CCs in general situation

Spiritmaster > Cleric >= Sorc = Ranger
 

Spiritmaster is mostly for CC, the class has Roots, Fear, aoe Snare, instant buff shearing,

and Flight timer reducing spell(1sec casting time, 60sec cooldown cut off a target's

44% flight timer from its total timer instantly and cut timers 6% in each 3sec during for after 30sec)

anyway Spiritmaster is very good for templay

Originally posted by kilkil2

Good. Spiritmaster have hardly curable CC the fear thing, when you get in fear mode you can't control

your toon and it runs away from the Spiritmaster who casted fear to you (can cure by clerics Purify, but the toon got feared is running away too fast so almost impossible to catch it up for cure)

Spiritmaster is good for all aspect for group v group or group v mass enemy

Sorcerer is more likely particular situation owner, deal dps as much as gladiator but weak armor and not that good cc ability

DP skill is spike of damage especially lv 50 one is. but sorcerer cant deal stable dps not like ranger

1.Stable dps in most situation for a target : 

Ranger > Glad > Sorc > Templar >= Spiritmaster

2. Spikes of dps in rare situation(a hour cooltime ability storming for certain situation) to mass aoe target 

Sorc > Spiritmaster >= Glad > Ranger

3. CCs in general situation

Spiritmaster > Cleric >= Sorc = Ranger

Best info I have received from any Aion player.  Thanks man.

Wouldn't a Templar be a better choice over a Glad? Or is it just that your friend happened to be a gladiator?

Templar has the pulling ability that would seem to be an excellent way to control other players for group pvp.

Thoughts on Templars? 

Originally posted by zigmund

 

Wouldn't a Templar be a better choice over a Glad? Or is it just that your friend happened to be a gladiator?

Templar has the pulling ability that would seem to be an excellent way to control other players for group pvp.

Thoughts on Templars? 

Templar is good. And Glad is good also.

Aion has done really well balanced about group fight by each one's role.

As you said Templar has the awesome pulling skill and has much better tanking skill than Glad.

But I prefer Glad cause Glad has more powerful damage spike and stun

(falling chance by Halberd this can't be resisted) pbaoe dps, pbaoe debuff, snare things

which is really useful and needed for group play.

on the other hand Templar doesn't has much group utility I can confirm strongly.

Pulling skill is really good to grab target and make easy to aim it for assisters, but thats all.

Templar isn't class with decent dps obviously, stun ability, even any aoe skills.

Has only one good group utility that templar taking target's damage for 30sec (2min cooltime)

But this skill has quiet short range(10m) this isn't that far enough in air.

Also this is kinda suiciding because Templar gonna take 100% damage from target

which can't be reduced by Templar's skills

In certain situation Templars obviously can do much things than Glad. 

Like sieging or baiting to get enemies attention etc etc

Theres lots of things that Templars can overwhelm Glad. 

Just for our playstyle, used to stomp guys with spiking dps real quickly who farming NPCs on ease

or trying to fight against overwhelming enemies(about amount).

We needed Quick dps and some AOE skills to scare and threat them to let lose their fighting mood.

For example, can imagine a situation.

Your guys have 20man for farming NPCs and suddenly we pop into you guys

and  in a sec half of your members lost 50% hp instantly (what Glad,Spiritmaster do mainly),

and get massive dots that dropping you guys HP quite fast (Cleric,Spiritmaster do)

you may lose your feeling to fight against us although you guys have x3 amount of people a

nd run away to save your Abyss Point.

No matter about " Templar VS Glad, Glad WIN! " 

It's just matter of our game style. There's lots of thing can do group

with Templar just I didn't tried much and not discovered yet myself

This is some long statement about why not Templar 

hope this would be help :)

Btw I don't have good english skill, just learned it from school and some friends while playing DAOC.

So maybe theres some error about grammar thing ;p

I tried my best and editing reply for weird sentence or spelling, grammar

Haha your english is fine.  We can understand what you are trying to say.  Awesome info again.

Question though.  How would 2 Spirit Masters DUO/Combo be?  Maybe 2x Spirit Master, 2x Cleric, 1x Chanter, 1x Gladiator?  Or only 2x Spirit Master, 1x Cleric for 3vGroup?

How much fun is Cleric throughout the game?

Heh

Sadly DOT cant be stacked and Spiritmaster's most dps come from DOT skills

and they don't have any good dps, they aren't usual fighters like others.

Before talk about Spiritmaster's tactic, its all about abyss fight because i only play in abyss not raft at all :]

Spiritmaster is only class in Aion who doesn't stand for magic or melee dps to kill things.

They have their tactic with certain skill what i told before.

Skill name is "Binding Wings" not correct name though, i don't know about english skill name.

This skill has very long range and short casting time. 

Cut off target's 44% Flight timer from their Total Flight Timer, not Current Flight Timer

and Decrease flight timer in every few sec for its remaining time(30sec)  work as like DOT.

Since spiritmaster's dps in air is very poor, they relying on this Binding Wings mostly.

And it's really cool and fun skill to use. Their usual tactic is like this

spam mass debuff skills(insta snares,buff shearing etc) and taunt him

"Hey cheer up you can touch me come on bastard"

After some chasing and floating around from target to kill like a fly.

you show up your joker Binding Wings, since enemy flied for quiet long time

your enemy will be going down to abyss's abyss and you get abyss point.

This is spiritmaster's core tactic for small groups.

And it will work greatly as duo or trio i guess since Binding Wings has 40m range.

most skill that has longest range in aion is 25m range skill.

Binding WIngs is only exceptional i think. There's almost no skill has more than 25m range.

So  it will be fun to cut off one's 80% flight timer almost instantly

and watching the poor man going down who spent 1000$ for his gold gears

before he notice 'omg whats happened' but you wearing some shitty green gears hehe

And all other combo will have any kind of fun stuff of its own.

There's too much choice for fun I'd like to say :)

and im going to sleep will be back in about 8-10 hours cya!

For 6man group 2 Spiritmaster isn't good idea i think.

To run full group quick dps is needed to take enemy down and got to leave from there quickly

before you get zerged. 2 Spiritmaster 1 Cleric will be kinda fun i guess

massive CCs+Binding Wings combo -> byebye

And about Cleric play,,well

mostly up to player's taste but it will be boring to keep heal heal heal heal sometimes.

Cleric has decent root skill that 6sec duration 10sec recast timer really good one.

and decent healing, average dps..Playing as solo is like just guerilla at all.

duo&trio will be good mix of healing&few dps. about full group is just healer.

Hi

Your vids are awesome. I'm an ex Daoc player too, and I hope Aion US will not turn into a WoW carebear game.

I love group vs group and group vs mass pvp!

One question : Why do the Koreans only post small sized videos and no HQ H264/MP4 videos? We westerners are used to high quality videos that we host on Filefront!

Awesome video, thanks for sharing.

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Originally posted by Chobzor
One question : Why do the Koreans only post small sized videos and no HQ H264/MP4 videos? We westerners are used to high quality videos that we host on Filefront!

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Looks like you missed the 412Mb megaupload version the OP also posted. It's in HD (1248x704), looks great on my fullhd screen.

Originally posted by BigMango

Looks like you missed the 412Mb megaupload version the OP also posted. It's in HD (1248x704), looks great on my fullhd screen.

No I was talking about the other Koreans. Not him.

I downloaded his vid, it took me like 4hours but it's a great quality.

I think most of MMORPG players prefer PvE over PvP, that's why PvP videos don't have much success...

As for me, I prefer PvP

I'm back XD

Maybe cause we have better streaming service and have no patience i think.

Using 100mb internet line generally so not that hard to watch good quality video on korean streaming site

and another reason is they just lazy and impatient to download things,, just prefer to watch video in low quality

and done with it. Doesn't care about quality much