im not gonna suggest can we all just get along, but is it too much to ask that we just stop feeding the troll?

 Why do you center your text and color it in a color other than white? Do you really like for people to have trouble reading what you are writing? I can see why they wouldn't care about your post on the offical forums if you did stuff like that. But anyway, it just sounds like you're streching the truth someway or another.

The red yes that was hard to read the orange isnt i no that for a fact since everyone in my guild reading the forum didnt say anything, naimon didnt say anything and if you cant read it then thats not my problem, they put different colors up so they could be used and your all so way off topic

Why would i want to stretch the truth and why would i want to lie about anything? i have it all saved!!!!! lol i already said that

Wow, after reading this entire thread the responses of the OP and particularly her husband, I'd have to agree, banning is the way to go for them.  I don't like them already, and I hardly know them.  If this is the attitude they project in game (which is anything but mature) then I'm going to side in favor of the GM's.

Remember OP, you brought the fight to these forums, and we're a harsh judge of character. 

Yes, I really hate the orange, centered text.  Leave it white, leave it left aligned, and just stick to the facts.

and keep it civil.

All you seem to want to do is nitpick everyone elses slight flaws, and avoid the fact you were at fault over the matter.

Until you can prove that we are in the wrong then ill see your side but this has happened more than once to more than just us, i have the emails to prove it so please give me proof

And no I WASNT BANNED and no this isnt how i act in the game nor does Naimon...i have about close to 60 people who can vouche for the both of us, most of you people are missing the basic points of my OP

But thats okay and last time i checked i dont have to have your approval on how to post if you dont like it dont read it..like its really bothering any of you that much

and your saying we are knitpicking?

yes and i wouldnt be talking about nitpicking about anyone flaws when you yourself have been doing that to me this whole time youve been on this thread littl hypocrite. Show proof of what youve been saying and then ill apologize for everything ive said to you loll but of course we both know you cant prove anything. your just going by my rap sheet wich is hat the gms did wich is agiasnt the rules, and a form of targeting.

 "screenshot or it isnt real"

Yes it is a screen shot and i also have emails and such from others ^_^....sadly i cant put half of it on here without consent of them...and i wont violate the rules

EXACTLY thats what im sayin man if they had a screen shot of me doing all these horrible things then i woldnt have ever said annyyything about my ban but they idnt have anything like that not even logs of me talking or anything. thank you for whoever wrote that last reply  i started writin before i saw your name but that is perfect response right there man. FINALLY a smart one loll

And may i remind everyone, FORUMS and IC are two different things, talking on here doesnt generaly mean your the same in the game

"Against the rules"?

The rules of America (fair trials for repeat offenders) don't apply to GMing in PlaneShift. Situation is like this:

Naimon starts off as a pain in everyones rear.

Naimon gets warned several times then banned.

Naimon apparently claims to change.

Naimon then is accused of doing a similar offense to Klyros Junction members.

So Naimon is banned again.

Naimon then releases an uproar all over the internet, swearing at everyone (those posts were deleted) who disagrees with him in the fact he seems most likely guilty of the crime he was banned for.

Should we side with Naimon, or the game's GMs?

And yes, there will be a whole bunch of players who feel like similar circumstances have occurred to them. PlaneShift has had many a share of bad players over its time.  The GMs are there to serve the interests of the majority of players.

I also notice that you say they presented no evidence to you. They don't have to show evidence.

So what your saying is, the only people who ever got banned were bad people? because i have seen at least 3 times where the other person did nothing wrong, not only that but the first ban you get is said to be only a week, the person for thier first ban got a month for a SMALL offense!! not only that but no one was harassing the kylros AND LIKE I KEEP SAYING GIVE ME PROOF!! and again just because someone acts one way in a forum and sticks up for himself from personal attacks that other are making doesnt make them the same way in a game!! talk to the players in the game THE ONE THAT ARENT COMPLAINING there are MANY who dont think naimon this way if i had to cound i could count about 80 right off the bat and name them all so you can go have a little chat with them yourself!

Your logic is way off

Well I found it on a Linux forum, and you said you use a Mac.

It's really amusing, you swear and personally insult, yet I've never said anything to insult your intelligence or anything of an offensive manner.

And yes, everyone, he's like this ingame too. I've personally seen it. He resorts to personal insults, and I've seen it on many occasions. How can you expect GMs to side with you when you are known throughout the wider PlaneShift roleplayer community for it?

Until you bite the bullet and get over the fact that you were banned for good reason, you'll forever be spiteful to something that isn't that bad. It's sad that all you wish to do is badmouth the PlaneShift team, considering they're all brilliant, intelligent, lovely people, with decent levels of maturity, which is more than can be said for a certain Clamod Enkidukai.

You could have just  left it. Moved on. Gone onto the EZPCUSA shard and had fun where RP isn't the focus. But instead you kept escalating the problem and now it's been made obvious to the wider MMORPG community why you were banned, and just what you're like as an OOC player.

First of all, your not always watching him so how would you no he does it all the time? by people who have came and told you?? well let me tell you something chucki....did you ever think that because these people dislike him and such and they want people to hate him that not everything they say is the truth? those GM'S have insulted me, they have offended me AND my guild, i have screenshots of that they have said and i will gladly show them to you but i wont post it on this forum because i dont have thier consent to. You may not have directly insulted his intelligence, but what your doing is twisting everything hes said to use it to you advantage.

Talk to our guild members, they will tell you what kind of person he really is..i dont no how we could keep 50 plus members in our guild with a person your claiming Naimon is. Alot of my guild members have followed these posts and find that what your saying isnt all truthful and you no that very well.

AND if you didnt read what he wrote HE EXCEPTED THE BAN, what he asked the GM'S to do was give him proof which they ARE supposed to do, they claimed to have been watching them since he enetered the arena (am i really supposed to believe 5 or 6 GM'S and DEVS were all watching just him?) 

further more they told him after his 7 day ban for swearing they said "if you mess up again it will be 6 months" and he only has a month ban?! he must not have done much wrong in the first place and IF and i strongly put and emphasis on IF he did recive ALLLLL those reports and petitions then WHY did they wait so LOOONG to talk to him?!

Not to mention the GM'S in question kept CHANGING thier story....

The GM'S were abusive (because if me telling a gm not to speak to me is abusive) then they were more abusive to me than i was towards them....They offended me AND our guild.... and what im telling you is yes Naimon has been is the wrong at times we didnt say he hasnt but if a "mature" and "brilliant" PlanrShift team is what they are, then why didnt they act like it!

Chucki? Is that how you spell it? Regardless Age does not always matter you can be 100 and still be wrong, True you might have more experinece and be MORE likley to be right but NO one NOBODY is right 100% of the time. This goes for everyone Devs, Gms Moderators anyone.

This thread delivers! Seems like the GM team did abuse their powers to me. Also, might wanna suggest those rp'ers to get tougher skin if they're offended by "geek", and "loser". Rp'ers always ruin it for the pvp'ers. Seems like it was just one big conspiracy towards someone who pissed off the rp'ers.

420 I just smoked ur ass.

A thanks goes out to coldrain, i thought the rules of the game was to keep it clean, i dont personaly understand why geek and loser should get you in trouble unless you were in fact harassing others or screaming it out. All it sounds like to me is a game with some that cant take a little heat.

Fine then ask the Gms to show "proof" the vote thing is just to show what people who are reading this thread think i know that even if a millon people voted it would make no difference

and to reply to you last post chucki, yes they do have to show your proof and evidence.

its written in the rules like Naimon said, maybe you should go back and have a peek at them ^_^

Not to mention the GM'S kept changing thier story not once...not twice...but three times. would you believe a person when they keep changing thier story? i wouldnt and dont say they were mistaken because if 5 of them cant get a story straight then thiers obviously something going on thier that doesnt seem right

thank you coldrain. Atleast someone sees what is going on. And you joale(chucki), Your just still pissed hat the guidl you left to me and said i  could have is still flourishing. If i was like i was last night in game i wouldnt have been on there for as long as i was before my ban. So just stop now ok. Go back to your measly little mable brokery guild wich will fail like your other one and leave me alone cuz you keep saying things over and over agian that arent true i told you what to do to fnd out how i really act now and days on the game and you still refuse to do it. So thats you problem not mine. Show some proof or any kind of evidence showing what your saying about me is true smart guy. And when you discover you cant  then shut up.

Naimon, I'm not Joale. But I do frequently speak to him ingame.

And your poll... 57% agree that the GMs were in the right. So I guess that shows things a little better for you.

The GMs don't have to hunt out screenshots just to prove to a bad player that they deserve a ban. They have a log-collection system that collects the last five minutes and the next five minutes when the /report command is used. This is their evidence. And evidence is meant to be supplied TO the GMs not FROM them. And if it's gotten to the point where the devs were getting involved, you're beyond saving anyway.

To the person sying the RP crowd kills it for PvPers, please remember PlaneShift prides itself on being an RP game, where RP is encouraged, and on the Laanx server (which all these events happened on) it is enforced. Those who do not wish to RP can use the Ezpcusa server. Either way, there are boundaries about how you can treat other players, and Naimon has crossed them many many times.

Welll then can the GMs show US the proof? and my poll was just to see. Just because i litte over half of the people agree doesnt bother me.

Let me remind you that the GM'S also have a list of rules to follow, like i told you before ... they HAVE to show you proof and or evidence especialy if you ask for it, and no just because a dev gets involved doesnt mean its THAT bad it just mean there were not enough GM'S on at that time...go back into the rules and atualy look at the rules PLEASE do yourself a favor!!

and like i said my big block red letters arent on trial here and it definately doesnt portray what kind of person i am, inside or outside the game.

Further more....The GM team is not supposed to abuse/offend other players either. They are abusing thier powers, they are even abusing some players and at least i have PROOF no one else has been giving me any proof of thier accusations are they? no, didnt think so.

Not only that but just because the GM'S are nice to a certain player, does not mean they are nice to everyone, Me, im not a suck up and never will be and i think that me not agreeing 24/7 with some GM'S pissess them off...its either love them or they hate you, AND IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS SO

I don't see any need to supply evidence on here. I have logs from a few characters showing just the kind of things Naimon says, but there's really too much to sift through to post on here, and considering the effort vs. payoff is minimal, I'm not going to spend an hour busting through my logs just to prove a point to someone who in my opinion doesn't even belong on the Laanx server.

I'm pretty sure the MMORPG.com community don't really care anymore Naimon. Especially considering they've had to clean up several of your abusive posts from the public eyes so young children don't see the potty posts.

Also, explain to me how in PlaneShift, a GM having a /group discussion with you is meant to send you evidential screenshots?

GMs aren't abusive, they're really good at their job, which is clearly visible in the fact they banned you, and your character has been shown even on here to have all the assets of a bad player, especially in a RP dominant game. You swear and hurl insults at anyone who is opposed to your views, in public.