You know all fanboism aside . Aventurine is guilty of false advertisng. If they were an NA company they would be in court. I can not for the life of me figure out why I havent seen a class action lawsuit to join so i could get my money back.

Here is my opinion:

What the OP says is actually pretty on mark. You can find this out for yourselves on the offical forums. There are lots (and I mean lots) of posts. I have played the game now for about 3 months (after many many attempts to actually just defeat storefall and then overcoming the challenges of queuefall).

The communications in game and out are pretty bad. The devs do seem to read the forums and take SOME cues from what they read but seem to come a day late and a dollar short more often then not. While it does seem that they might be going in some direction the average player is left wondering when and where that direct is.

The alignment \ race system is pretty much worthless. The races don't really have any real significant differences other than the avatar and the alignment is a joke. Your own race will kill you just as quickly as any other because there are no real consequences for doing it. THe only thing that keeps the game from being an all out quakefest (which it really almost is) is the clan alliance system which until the just recently added name coloring didn't stop allied clans from ganking you (because they had no idea they were allied with you)

Another major complaint you see on the forums is the wall of pain and the empty world. Its empty because the mobs do not offer any real rewards for your time and players would rather just sit in a relatively safe player owned city and grind skills up on the players there then actually go out and do something.

There are many other things that could be made better in this game. It has potential but right now I would have a hard time recommending quake with a grind over quake.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check  

Note: The only factual piece of information in this is... Wait, none? Oh, yeah. The only two pieces of information that could be considered subjective in this ( and therefore true to some ) are the first and second to last bits. Everything else is a big bullshitting lie.

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by shukes33

I think some of us are a little confused as to what updating means. you can take it on a technical level and say even editing one word is an update! or you can use common sense and say that a few minor edits is a website that is not having much love and so shouldnt be classed as being updated.

Me? ill go with common sense :)

 

That's the thing.  The editing they've done a couple of times on the official website has not been the simple correction of a word or two.  They basically removed some of the more outlandish claims which are most obviously not in the game.

Why wouldn't they change the rest of it, too?  It doesn't take a lot of effort or time to edit a web page.  To me, it is an indication of exactly how unprofessional AV is.  Shouldn't "common sense" have told AV to make their web site more accurate?

The fanbots appear to have an infinite amount of paitience, love, understanding, and compassion for AV.  Few seem willing to hold them to any normal, common sense standards, in the same way they probably would other companies who produce games they aren't in love with.

So, why make excuses for a game company that is selling their game, when they are clearly in the wrong here?

Your'e correct friend i totally agree and didnt mean to make it sound like i am making excuses for them..for that i apologise.

What i think many of us have been trying to get across is that Av are amaturish, we agree, but they have also stated that the web site is the last thing on thier mind at the moment. And as a player a would rather they concentrated on the game itself. I also believe they are not actually trying to sell the game at the moment but that they are working on adding content and fixing the game so then they can try to sell it more honestly....which if that is true then i aplaud them.

The point is we know! we know the game isnt feature complete, we know the site is false and so do AV. but as current players some of are willing to give them time. If others decided thier cash deserves more...then fair play to them, they are right and shouldnt part with hard earned cash for nothing.

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check  

Note: The only factual piece of information in this is... Wait, none? Oh, yeah. The only two pieces of information that could be considered subjective in this ( and therefore true to some ) are the first and second to last bits. Everything else is a big bullshitting lie.

Well you do something wrong if you not check all the text  in yellow.

I meant it not in the terms that you play the game wrong but more of the terms you didnt pay attention to the games promises.

The second point for example doesn't promise you to log in and having fun like you mastered everything in the game. It says you can enjoy yourself  "within  your choosen field". If you like fisching for example you will get very good at it having spend a camparable small amount of time.  Lets say you have just 30 minutes of playtime, you can set yourslef a realistic goal and catch 100 fish in that time. Your succesfull, and reached your goal. It doesnt promise you that you login 20 min any other day and pawn release fireballs of doom to 2 shot other players.

Also if you just sit in city worriying about your skill level and not going out then its not the games fault . You think the best way to beat as many people as you can is by raising your paperdoll skill in the city.  You could try a different playstyle its your choice and you will see the description fitting also.

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

Originally posted by seabeast

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

The OP hasn't done his homework  on the game. He would know about announcements reffering  to features have been put back etc. He might have formed clans prior release but i doubt those clans have been formed around the games weather effects. He may not like implementation of certain features but some including me, very like them.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by seabeast

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

 

The OP hasn't done his homework  on the game. He would know about announcements reffering  to features have been put back etc. He might have formed clans prior release but i doubt those clans have been formed around the games weather effects. He may not like implementation of certain features but some including me, very like them.

Well he has asked some specific questions and since your on top of the situation why don't you inform him of what features he asked about have been put back? That would be a clear and concise way of addressing his post.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

DarkFall must be the only game where trolls go through every word on a description given noumerous times. I mean Aventurine has done litle to no advertise and the description is the litle advertising they do on their own site, i am sure these is the 10th topic about that and is getting old really.

 

 

Ahh... but whose fault is that these threads are still true?

Hmm...

I wonder now. 

Would these threads still be made if Aventurine actually had an up-to-date Web-site that didn't claim much more than the game offers?  

Hmm...

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check

 

 

all you've done is say "check" to everything from the features' list.  you can not create all items in the world.  there are no prestige classes.  so if "check" means "yes this is here"; then, you have no idea about what darkfall does/doesn't have - or you're willfully lying.

either way - i don't care - i asked specific questions about each item.  you have answered NO questions at all which i have posed.  you have merely deleted my questions and typed "check" a bunch of times, even on items that are completely incorrect.

that willful ignoring of my questions (by removing them and completely ignoring the op by so doing), combined with outright lies -- all you're doing is flamebaiting and trolling. 

why?

better than answering my "why?", how about actually answering any of the questions posed in the op? 

regardless - STOP TROLLING.  i, as a player of darkfall, do not want to be associated with other players of darkfall that consistently misrepresent the game and outrightly lie about the game.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by seabeast

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

 

The OP hasn't done his homework  on the game. He would know about announcements reffering  to features have been put back etc. He might have formed clans prior release but i doubt those clans have been formed around the games weather effects. He may not like implementation of certain features but some including me, very like them.

this reply does not make any sense.

i am not referring to ANYTHING that was removed from the site (for example - henchmen and pets were removed from the official website - i am not referencing them).

if you have information and can answer the questions in the op - please answer the questions in the op.

you have not done this.  you have repeatedly posted items that are completely offtopic and which actually IGNORE the questions posed in the op.

so, what items am i pointing out as missing... are actually NOW in the game?  the reason i'm asking questions is because i believe those items ARE missing from the game (in my op); so yes, i am asking for people to answer my questions...

not to ignore my questions and answer random items they pull out of thin air.  i asked questions, in order for people to answer the questions.

have i reworded that enough in order to be understood?  if not, i'm sorry, a reasonable person wouldn't expect to have to explain that "hi, i asked questions, could you answer those questions instead of ignoring the questions and trolling?"

wtf over.

Originally posted by Postal13

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Postal13

Even with these missing features, would you recommend the game?  I've been hesitant since launch, but would still like to play it.

 

Lol, depends who you ask. I wouldn t touch this game ever again, and yes I have played it. Theres alot better games out and coming out to not even bother with this game. I don t see a very good future for it persoanlly, or at least wait till the price drops alot.

 

THanks, that's basically my opinion as well.  Maybe I'll wait for Hellgate London to come back online, instead :)

IF darkfall adds in the list of missing features (to include features they've deleted from their website)... and they add ALL these features...

no, i would not recommend this game to anyone.

it fails as an fps.  it fails as an mmo.  it is an endless series of mind-numbing grinds FOR LITTLE GAIN.  everything currently implemented in the game is done stupidly or is just BAD.  sieges blow huge chunks because of horrid game mechanics and STUPID city design and bloody hacks, AND exploited toons allowed to keep all their exploited gains. i can not remember a pay to play game with this many hacks in it.  i am amazed completely by the amount of hacks STILL in this game.

the game's dev is the biggest liar since brad mcquaid.  he'd rather spend his time QQing about a bad review, than updating paying customers on why a server is down, or what bugs/hacks he's working on fixing.

now, having said all of THAT.

if you're REALLY bored with ALL games currently out (and i'm including hello kitty online's beta, and toontown), and have money to just throw away (and there's no movies, clubs, books, et cetera you'd rather spend it on)... go crazy.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check  

Note: The only factual piece of information in this is... Wait, none? Oh, yeah. The only two pieces of information that could be considered subjective in this ( and therefore true to some ) are the first and second to last bits. Everything else is a big bullshitting lie.

 

Well you do something wrong if you not check all the text  in yellow.

I meant it not in the terms that you play the game wrong but more of the terms you didnt pay attention to the games promises.

The second point for example doesn't promise you to log in and having fun like you mastered everything in the game. It says you can enjoy yourself  "within  your choosen field". If you like fisching for example you will get very good at it having spend a camparable small amount of time.  Lets say you have just 30 minutes of playtime, you can set yourslef a realistic goal and catch 100 fish in that time. Your succesfull, and reached your goal. It doesnt promise you that you login 20 min any other day and pawn release fireballs of doom to 2 shot other players.

Also if you just sit in city worriying about your skill level and not going out then its not the games fault . You think the best way to beat as many people as you can is by raising your paperdoll skill in the city.  You could try a different playstyle its your choice and you will see the description fitting also.

what does any of that have to do with the op?  your yellow highlights have items ingame, and items that are not ingame.  as such, i have no idea what you're trying to say. 

Originally posted by Adam1902

Originally posted by damian7

i'm reading thru the current features available to me ingame.  as a player of darkfall, i'm curious as to what exactly is being advertised on the official, updated website? <<< first sentence is a blanket question which is then elaborated upon in the below...

 

Explore five continents, countless small islands, trackless underwater depths, and a sprawling underworld. Hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas await. <<since they mention these items.. doesn't that mean something worthwhile exists in these areas? what is underwater, in regards to exploration and adventure? hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas? i take adventure areas to be like... a fort with trolls or elves in it... hundreds??? where's my hundreds???

Play any of Agon's six dominant races. Each race has a unique set of abilities, as well as its own civilization, culture, and way of life. <<< unique set of abiltieis? like the wolf guys running as fast as a horsey? oh wait... that doesn't exist. what are my unique racial abilties again?
 

Meet hundreds of unique monsters, and take them on in their lairs, strongholds and domains. Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past.  <<< hundreds of unique monsters?  repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past?  where are my hundreds of uniques and my non-repetitive encounters?

Experience a world brought to life by real-world physics and dynamic lighting and shadows. Watch trees and grass sway in the wind as sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Observe the movements of Agon's twin moons, which are part of a dynamic planetary system with smooth day/night cycles. Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing.   <<< um, where is all this weather that has such crazy affects on warfare (both land and sea)... i mean, the weather in darkfall is more than just window dressing... why is it that a wind which can move a huge 200'+ tall tree, at its base... doesn't even mess up the hair on my character?  i mean... wind that can move that tree, at its base... is hurricane cat 5 if not 6...

Uncover the mysteries of an ancient civilization, which left more than just ruins for later generations to discover. Untold riches and incredible power is the prize, as you join the race to claim an age-old inheritance  << a number of us have traveled far and wide... wtf does this statement refer to?  has anyone found ANY of this?

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style.   <<< actual experience playing ingame proves this statement to be false.  in order to be successful, in pretty much any field, you have to macro for days/weeks.  if someone has experiences that contradict these experiences of myself (and clan/alliance m8s of mine); please post the examples, not just "nuh huh, you're wrong"... cuz it's rigor pyramids, walls of pain, swimming/running/sprinting/crouchwalking while at work/sleep, and all sorts of other macroing, in order to be considered successful in darkfall.

 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling.   << again, from actually playing the game, all i do is level my character.  every 25 points of a skill, you get the message "your skill X has increased to a new level".  everyone shoots for the skill 75+ area of skills.  so it's just a bunch of macroing to get to that level.  the core of the game is sieging (i.e. taking and holding territory), you NEED to have high levels of combat skills (both attack and defense) in order to be successful at sieging.  yes, a lot of zerging happens... a lot of zergers also have high levels in their skils.

 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in.   << what prestige classes?

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair.  << um... big deal, i become "evil" and i can't go to the starter areas... is there something in the starter areas that i care about?  i don't understand how this alignment system matters at all.

Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience.  << this is about the most inaccurate statement so far -- speed hacks, piggy backing, flying ships, et cetera...

 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. << this is simply a lie.

Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable. Using Darkfall?s virtually limitless item creator system, you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the Flamefury Raudstaal Battleaxe of Bloodshed, or just make a simple saddle for your horse.   << the bolded, italicized, underlined portion is simply a lie.

 

Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not.  << this does not exist.

Protect your home and expand your holdings as you build your empire. In Darkfall, clans struggle for supremacy and survival as they compete over land ownership, resources, and strategic objectives.  << what strategic objectives?  it lists land ownership, resources AND strategic objectives... i can see the first two... where is the third?

Your victories are documented for posterity and success is measurable, so you'll never have to wonder what really happened. << where is the "legend" "legendary" or whatever this system is called.. where is it?

There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back.   << tons of safe zones.  this is another outright lie.

Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones, or any other roadblocks that limit your game. Anyone can fight anyone, anywhere as long as they are willing to face the consequences - in the form of Darkfall?s alignment system.  << did someone forget to tell tasos that darkfall has safe zones? and again, what purpose does the alignment system serve, in a practical sense?

 

  You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.<< how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards.   << does darkfall have ANY features which the site says it has?  seriously.

When you play Darkfall, you take part in a constantly evolving, world-spanning storyline. Your reputation will precede you, and your fame will grow through clan victories and individual achievements. Whether you're a fearless fighter, a respected leader, a persuasive politician, or a skilled artisan, you will get the recognition you deserve. In Darkfall, your deeds and views are recorded and chronicled as you become a part of - and a shaper of - world history. With Darkfall?s narrative Legend system, your name will live in fame or in infamy, and it will never be forgotten.  <<the narrative legend system is... where exactly?  more lies?

Top clans and top individual players from various gaming genres will be there, along with over ten thousand simultaneous players per world. You?re in very good company.  << over ten thousand simultaneous (means the same as "concurrent") players per world... do NOT see this happening.  if someone has factual links to this occurring, please provide them.  i think this is more bullshit at this point.

Test your mettle in Darkfall?s Arena Events where individual players and teams compete for fun and profit.   << you do not build "teams" to siege.  sieging is not competition for fun.  where are these arena events?  this is listed completely separately from other types of "pvp", so please do not attempt to mistake this with something OTHER than what it plainly states itself to be.

Every single person involved in the production of Darkfall is a gamer first and foremost. We?ve been where you?ve been, and we play the games you play.  <<< if this is true; then, why don't they build the game we want to play?

We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game; a game that makes good on its promises, with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players. << total and complete bullshit.

Darkfall offers you more ways to give feedback, and more ways to collaborate with the Darkfall Team in the evolution of the game. Your voice is heard loud and clear.  <<i do not think these words mean what tasos and company think they mean.

 

 

they have recently updated the website, as a couple of dozen OTHER features, which were advertised for YEARS on the official site, have been removed...

 

so, does anyone have information on where/how to access all these advertised features?  i mean, i could just be really stupid and unable to figure out how to access all these groovy features in (and out) of game.  my clan and alliance can both be filled with idiots and unable to figure any of these items out.

but, as a darkfall player, i truly am tired of people lying about what this game is supposed to have, and is not supposed to have.  this is a truncated list, as they DID delete many features from the website, a couple of months AFTER the game was released into retail.

 

several items in the list above, i have seen numerous people on this forum, making contradictory statements about.  for example, recently someone went on about "darkfall people have NEVER claimed to be able to handle 10,000 concurrent players, just 10,000 subs"... quite a few items listed above, have been routinely contradicted by people on this forum, and since no one can be bothered to read the official website and stop misquoting it -- i have quoted it for everyone.

 

again, please, if you have examples of the items which i believe are missing... provide them... thanks in advance to everyone for your efforts in this collaborative effort.

 

 

 

I'll keep it nice and short.
The website is out of date, everyone knows this. It hasn't been updated for 4 or more years.

They will be bringing us a new site "soon", and my guess is that you will probably be able to use in-game features (friends, clan management) through the site.  <<< what does a new site have to do with a site they currently have WHICH THEY CONTINUE TO UPDATE?  it was updated as recent as the announcement of the NA server (i am AGAIN pointing out that they changed "only one character per account" from per server is a very recent change. there have been several updates to the website, as i have pointed out several times already...)  they ARE updating this current website.  

I'll edit the post with a link where they hint at a new site.

EDIT: Here you go:
Our number one concern is the quality of the experience for our existing users. We don’t want to create any problems by allowing too many new users in. This is why we have no boxes in the market, why we haven’t been promoting the game, why our new site isn’t up yet, why we don’t offer a free trial, why we don’t offer more payment options etc.
- http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=191365    <<< allowing too many players in?  seriously?  they seriously have no problem with allowing too many players on.  dude, fricking LOST MINIONS with their THREE OR FOUR ACTIVE MEMBERS, and who are now not in an alliance control a city AND a hamlet on two separate continents!!! free trials.. do i have to go find the places where tasos stated he would NEVER expect someone to play the game without having a chance to play it for free first?  again, why would you not update your current site, even if you're getting a new site?  PLEASE explain the LOGIC behind that.  not some random boring meme -- but explain the thinking behind that.

Let's say Microsoft is planning on releasing a new version of windows... but they're planning on moving to a new site.  are you saying that the reasonable expectation is that microsoft would simply publish false information about their new product and state "oh we're moving to a new site", and just LEAVE erroneous information about this new windows on the "old" site?

 

explain this thinking to me.  this isn't a child's hobby site about goldfish.  this is the website of a business.  a business that FOR WHATEVER REASON does not have a publisher putting boxes out... the ONLY way to purchase the product is thru DIRECT DOWNLOAD, which seems to be controlled by tasos and his people.... therefore, there is ZERO chance of OVERSELLING the product.

you CANNOT buy this game in a store, you can ONLY download it.

but, the gaming website can't be updated with current information... but, it can be updated little bits here and there... oh, we need to change the faq to say you can only have one character per account - so everyone has to purchase a new account in order to play on the NA server OR delete their EU toon.  that FAQ, until recently stated that it was one character per server.  so, they ARE updating what they feel like updating.  like the stealth removal of mention of henchmen and pets.

and weirdly enough, none of this addresses the op.

They want to make Darkfall more public, they want to upgrade their website. But they feel that with only one server, the demand will be too high, this is why there is still no “Buy Darkfall” button anywhere and our release has been limited to the Darkfall community. aswell as they probably don't want to use resources on a website just yet. Things will change when they get a new / some new servers open I believe.  wow.  they are updating the website.  they have updated the website several times THIS YEAR.  i have no idea where you're getting this WRONG information from, nor why you're presenting this as something pertinent to this discussion.  they HAVE UPDATED THE SITE SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR. 

 

This kind of information honestly isn't hard to find if you simply read the news on their forum.  <tbh, most people don't go back and read thru every page of a thread, once it's gotten past the first page... i don't go back and read every post on the first page when i open this... so your complaint on the 4th page is quite inappropriate.  why didn't i reply to this update on the first page????  because i don't keep going back to the first page.  i do not know anyone that would go thru every page of a thread every time they go back to that thread, especially pages they've already gone thru.  seriously, wtf over.

and i am not digging and nitpicking about little items mentioned here or there.  i am going to the official website and reading thru the list of features for this game.  a reasonable person would have this expectation of a product.  ESPECIALLY a product ONLY available via download -- you can not buy this offline in a store, you can only buy this online; BUT their online website is completely out of date? it's completely inaccurate?  what kind of logic is that???????//

 

Originally posted by oddjobs74

@ OP,

Apart for both of the existing features that made into the paid beta, you can build, steal and fly boats. There is no other game on the market where you can fly boats. This is the most innovative feature I have seen in any game.

 

ok, i almost spit out soda.  cuz THAT was fricking funny... funny cuz it's true.

Originally posted by shukes33

I think some of us are a little confused as to what updating means. you can take it on a technical level and say even editing one word is an update! or you can use common sense and say that a few minor edits is a website that is not having much love and so shouldnt be classed as being updated.

Me? ill go with common sense :)

But then common sense would also dictate that if they are going to spend the time to edit out a few of the things that are not currently in the game (which they've done a few times now)... tnen why not edit out ALL of the missing features?

Hmm...

Common Sense indeed! 

This site lets you see all the changes to a web-site over the years.  It lags behind about 6 months OR MORE per their FAQ.  Never-the-less... it's quite obvious to see that DarkFall's site has indeed seen quite a bit of updating. 

web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.darkfallonline.com

If you look at the site back in Jan./Feb. you can definitely see that a LOT was chopped out from the Features... yet not everything that is still missing. 

They still choose to leave in Features that ARE NOT currently in the game.  Why is that?

So... where exactly does the common sense come in again?  Common sense and Aventurine aren't exactly two things that a person would normally put in the same sentence, paragraph... heck, even the same book! 

Anyway... it's always interesting to see how facts match up with opinion.  The site I've provided shows definitively what the site looked like before and when the changes were made.  It's pretty obvious comparing the most recent site available from the Wayback Machine to what you see today that they have indeed made even MORE UPDATES to the site.

Hopefully this will dispell the FALSEHOOD that the site hasn't been updated in the last 5 years... it has... as the evidence shows.  For some reason Aventurine chooses to leave FALSE information on the web site.  Decide for yourself why that is. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by seabeast

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by seabeast

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

 

The OP hasn't done his homework  on the game. He would know about announcements reffering  to features have been put back etc. He might have formed clans prior release but i doubt those clans have been formed around the games weather effects. He may not like implementation of certain features but some including me, very like them.

 

Well he has asked some specific questions and since your on top of the situation why don't you inform him of what features he asked about have been put back? That would be a clear and concise way of addressing his post.

 

Please, what type of question is these then ? 

"how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?"

Is these a question, a opinion , a try to bash ?

I don't need to answer to that type of moronic text in the OP.

 

 

 

Dont need to type any either... In other words stop posting.

You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.  << how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

how do i enjoy easy communication with my friends, even while outside the game?

the communication INTERFACE includes in-game message and trade boards <<< how do i access this?

an irc-style chat system <<< this is ... where?  the chat system currently  in game does not have ANYTHING resembling irc...

voice support?  you access this how?

mobile phone sms messaging?  how do i do this?

now, my original comment alludes to i DO have access to that bulky (the chat windows are way too big/unwieldy with their huge borders and inability to combine multiple chats into one window, have to use different tabs AND SYSTEM will not combine into one window... other games allow you to have multiple chat channels within a single tab of a single window... THEREFORE... i call this bulky, idiotically implementned text (because it doesn't have any of the voice stuff mentioned) chat -- bulky, and idiotically implemented AS COMPARED TO OTHER GAMES CURRENTLY out?

so, i see that you did see that statement in the op, darth.  i have elaborated on it, and am more than happy to elaborate upon all my other comments in the op.

Originally posted by damian7

You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.  << how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

 

how do i enjoy easy communication with my friends, even while outside the game?

the communication INTERFACE includes in-game message and trade boards <<< how do i access this?

an irc-style chat system <<< this is ... where?  the chat system currently  in game does not have ANYTHING resembling irc...

voice support?  you access this how?

mobile phone sms messaging?  how do i do this?

 

now, my original comment alludes to i DO have access to that bulky (the chat windows are way too big/unwieldy with their huge borders and inability to combine multiple chats into one window, have to use different tabs AND SYSTEM will not combine into one window... other games allow you to have multiple chat channels within a single tab of a single window... THEREFORE... i call this bulky, idiotically implementned text (because it doesn't have any of the voice stuff mentioned) chat -- bulky, and idiotically implemented AS COMPARED TO OTHER GAMES CURRENTLY out?

 

 

so, i see that you did see that statement in the op, darth.  i have elaborated on it, and am more than happy to elaborate upon all my other comments in the op.

 

 

 

i kinda admire your dedication to stay ontopic and retorting to those who try to spin the info you provided.

Oh and i like how some fanboys completely ignored your questions, and quickly answered other posts since you kinda smelted them.

Yes i did noticed they did update their website, they did lower the ammount of features that didnt make it into the game.

now for those who are nerd raging that darkfall website has not updated. here is more proof.

www.darkfallonline.com/news/

They have been updating thier website other than mentioning crap in the froums. as you see there is recent news changes so seriously  STOP THE BULLSHIT THAT AV HAS NOT UPDATED THEIR SITE . TAKE OFF THE ROSE COLOR GLASSES.

 you can even find some reviews there even one from ign.com that was made  by a blogger and not an official reviewer.

sad indeed.

Originally posted by Postal13

Even with these missing features, would you recommend the game?  I've been hesitant since launch, but would still like to play it.

I would suggest that you just wait for Mortal Online, if you cant hold it any longer then by all means go and try Darkfall out.

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by damian7

You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.  << how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

 

how do i enjoy easy communication with my friends, even while outside the game?

the communication INTERFACE includes in-game message and trade boards <<< how do i access this?

an irc-style chat system <<< this is ... where?  the chat system currently  in game does not have ANYTHING resembling irc...

voice support?  you access this how?

mobile phone sms messaging?  how do i do this?

 

now, my original comment alludes to i DO have access to that bulky (the chat windows are way too big/unwieldy with their huge borders and inability to combine multiple chats into one window, have to use different tabs AND SYSTEM will not combine into one window... other games allow you to have multiple chat channels within a single tab of a single window... THEREFORE... i call this bulky, idiotically implementned text (because it doesn't have any of the voice stuff mentioned) chat -- bulky, and idiotically implemented AS COMPARED TO OTHER GAMES CURRENTLY out?

 

 

so, i see that you did see that statement in the op, darth.  i have elaborated on it, and am more than happy to elaborate upon all my other comments in the op.

 

 

 

i kinda admire your dedication to stay ontopic and retorting to those who try to spin the info you provided.

Oh and i like how some fanboys completely ignored your questions, and quickly answered other posts since you kinda smelted them.

Yes i did noticed they did update their website, they did lower the ammount of features that didnt make it into the game.

 

now for those who are nerd raging that darkfall website has not updated. here is more proof.

www.darkfallonline.com/news/

They have been updating thier website other than mentioning crap in the froums. as you see there is recent news changes so seriously  STOP THE BULLSHIT THAT AV HAS NOT UPDATED THEIR SITE . TAKE OFF THE ROSE COLOR GLASSES.

 you can even find some reviews there even one from ign.com that was made  by a blogger and not an official reviewer.

sad indeed.

Why not just answer the guys questions above??

 Boggles the mind, where is voice activate, where is cell phone coms and kindly remark to his questions, no need to become aggresive. He just wants to know why they advertize such elements in a game then after launch they are not there.  The questions are legit and need to be answered for the OP to continue his support of DF.

Originally posted by Prankster

You know all fanboism aside . Aventurine is guilty of false advertisng. If they were an NA company they would be in court. I can not for the life of me figure out why I havent seen a class action lawsuit to join so i could get my money back.

Thank you.

I've been thinking the exact same thing!  I've been feeling really odd about it though.
I mean it's a game right?  Seems kind of silly to think that someone should file a class action suit against the company. 
But....

No kidding.
Someone should.

I don't care what kind of disclaimer they make about not wanting a lot of people in the game at once.  It's garbage.  The limitted releases had nothing to do with that.  I figured that out as soon as I read how GNi structures thier server hosting.  You pay for only what you use.  By throttling the number of people that can enter the game Av reduces the amount of money they need to pay for hosting.  They were able to pay for more space over time.  They made a big issue about how they were working on resolvig the Q's.  BAM!  Overnight, literally, Q's are gone.  THEY PAID FOR MORE USEAGE!  They didn't actually have to do anything other then cut a check to GNi that allowed for an increase in load.  They only thing Av had to actually do was get thier game to run better. 

The initial release was the stress test.  They didn't know how many people were going to log in at what times because they allowed people worldwide to purchase the game.  They didn't know what was going to happen with 1000 people playing at once.  He's been lying to people for a very long time.

I know some people will downplay the homepage like it's meaningless, but I DID buy the game based on it. 
That doesn't mean I expected EVERTYHING to be in.  I did expect some of it though.
That webpage is there, and it's likely going to be the first place someones going to go to get info about the game. 
I always read the FAQ and features list on a new MMO.  That's how I learn what the games supposed to be like.

Players aren't reliable.  Fanatics lie most of the time to make the game look good, and most haters exagerate. 
We as people aren't very dependable.  I rely on the company to give me at least a partially honest idea of what the game is before I purchase it. 
Mind you, I'm not the guy that reads the back of a game box to see if I like it.  I look to see what's supposed to be the point of the game. 

I can forgive a lot, and I undrstand that not everything on the features list isn't going to make it in at release.   MMO's are typically big games.  However, Av had the game in development almost a decade!  I did expect more then was there.

The website is misleading and falsely advertiseing the game. 
As long as it's up there is no excuse for it.  We know the games out.  Just because you don't put a big order now button on it doesn't make it ok.  Tasos comment about not updating the website to limit the intersts isn't cool either.  He's admitting to intentionally misleading consumers!!  Some of the fanatics really don't get it. 

There is no excuse.

PS:  A guy robs your store at gun point.  When he's caught he says he needed the money to feed his kids.  Does that justify hes actions?  NO!  I know it's not the same thing, but it's the same point.

PSS:  My hand is REALLY numb today.  I can't keep fixing the stupid errors it made while typing this.

every reply, except for maybe two sentences, has reinforced my belief that none of the items (in the op, which i pointed out) exist ingame.

an underwater tunnel to an underwater hamlet or two... is interesting.  not what i expect from the site mentioning underwater adventures, not by a long shot.  so even this is    disappointing.

the revolutionary AI hyped for so long... is just a bad version of the ai we see in all current MMOs, EXCEPT when you trigger a spawn, they can see you from wherever you triggered them, regardless of you hiding.  a longer detection range is NOT what i consider revolutionary.  everything else the ai does... is a watered down version of what we already have in other MMOs.  the fact that i can climb on top of a wall, and snipe tigers and the tigers can't attack back... but i can kill them all i want -- that says it all for the game's ai, and pretty much sums up how you do pve --- you stick the mobs or get where they can't touch you and kill them at your leisure.

as others (and i) have pointed out... a game that is ONLY available thru an ONLINE process, i.e. digitial download; but does not have a (product) website which provides a semi-accurate description of the game -- this is simply not acceptable.  no amount of QQ or spin will change this simple fact.

i am very disappointed at the amount of attacks/emo-rage vs just factual information in the thread.  i'm even more disappointed with the lies, presented as fact, all the while avoiding any explanation of items in the op.

from the folks in clan alliance, most of the items i question - simply are false advertising and deliberate falsehoods on the part of tasos and friends. from the replies (and more notably lack of proper response/explanations) it would seem even the diehard fans on this site concur.

perhaps AV should have a blamestorming session... i blame Enrique, the janitor.

blow Tasos to Mars , replace him...im positive the game will gain more positive attention

Originally posted by Prankster

You know all fanboism aside . Aventurine is guilty of false advertisng. If they were an NA company they would be in court. I can not for the life of me figure out why I havent seen a class action lawsuit to join so i could get my money back.
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Just to let you know..As long they are in beta in NA..There nothing that you can do about it..However..If they are not in beta then it would be a different story..Are laws here in the USA is different from the rest of the world..DF cannot false advertise here..