Originally posted by skyexile

yes greif everybody as the fly past unflagged...

The smurfs are going to be hiding behind a pvp button too.  Might as well place a dora the explorer icon on this game and call it a day.

Originally posted by Caligulug

Actually all we want is a PvP server and like I said if they are not smart enough to give us one we will take it.

 

It is people like the responders to this thread who basically paint all PvP players as "griefers" that are in the wrong. Why wouldn't you want us to have a PvP server? How does it affect you in anyway?

 

Like I said if net devil will not give it we will take it, the game was supposed to be a PVP game from  the start but Net Devil has listened to the WoW crowd. The crowd who will abandon the game and return to WoW after the first 30 days. Those that cried and preached for it to be a care bear game will just have to deal with us pissing in their cornflakes on the most populated server as we wreak havok in with the economy and poach their mines and mobs.

 

And how dare you tell me to go play EvE? I ca just as easily tell you to go back to WoW or maybe YOU should wait for Star Trek Online to come out as it too will be a care bears dream space game. You are also forgetting the Jumpgate Classic players on whoms dime this game was made. They thought they would get an upgraded version of their current game. Nope they have been told to go scratch.

PvP is fine ,sadly most muppets decrying the need for PvP are not really asking for PvP they just want a capability to gank and grief and fight people who don't wan't to fight.
 

PvP where it is consentual and the use of a flag is available is just not good enough. Enforcing fair PvP where people can never be outnumbered so the no risk gank scenarion occurs would be interesting because we would see the real PvPers coming out to play.

But again sadly this is not what is being asked for and as such is a non starter as it will kill the game. I hope they do have a PvP only server but in the same breath also hope that they spend no time developing this we would not want time and effort diverted developing the real game would we.

I find Caligulug amusing in the extreme, I'm sure the EULA will address the kind of activity he boasts about and NetDevil will easily take care of the issue. How? By breaking out the Ban Bat and getting rid of the those with the arrested development issues and the game will flourish. Take over a server indeed talk about laughable, how many times have you had to replace your taped up horn rimmed glasses Poindexter/Caligulug?

The OP sounds like some EVE PVPers I encountered... Not the good ones I mean.

Most EVE wannabe PVPers just play pirate hoping they can get you to shoot them first so they have an excuse for bringing their friends against a PVE equipped pilot.

EVE already has PVP server... It's called lower-than-0.5-sec-space... But not a great load of people going there - at least not the "vocal" ones at least.

So, the OP just sounds like one of those wannabe's that want to be griefing newbies that started playing EVE some 2-3 hours ago, but shy away from a real challange.

 if a specific game doesnt have the type of server you want why even bother buying said game until it does, thats the only kind of message devs really pay attn to, sales and subs, sales and subs, ill say it again devs only change things based on sales and subs.

If you are talking about a system like DFO, no thanks, I'm already sick of the politics and lack of pvp. Keep JGE the way it is so I can have a PvP  mmo that delivers PvP with twitch-skill based combat finally. Don't confuse who the enemy is, makes for a boring game.

Try to go find some pvp and find an enemy city. So you start attacking just to find that they are allied with your ally :( Now what? I guess it's time to roll out to another place and hope there is someone there to fight. Finding PvP is a chore in DFO and I don't have time for that non sense. I want combat and lots of it. What I get in DFO is politics and very little PvP with a lack pve and it sucks.

This post highlights the reason that a minority of idiots should not be allowed to dictate JGE doAnd it is this type of Playerbase that currently ruins MMO games.

JGE stick to your guns and you will do well, we dont need another grief monkey game.

Originally posted by WisebutCruel

Originally posted by Caligulug

*whine of boy with deflated e-peen*

 

Or how about this?

Net devil just flatout bans any and all players who go along with your "plan" and are caught griefing/annoying/harrassing other players until those of you left grow up or move on?

They'll lose a minscule amount of money banning you and your 'troops' compared to what they'll lose from the PvErs' you hate so much leaving.

Plus, your cries of failure would sing much more sweetly.

Edit: And yes, they could ban you with no problem. As you are targeting other paying players in an effort to blatantly disrupt their gameplay experience ( which i'm sure is AGAINST the rules you THINK you can maneuver around ) in order to "blackmail" or "extort" the developers.

You're even nice enough to have forums so the devs can see what's coming ( hmmm, starting to wonder if one of your members may be a dev? Hmmmm........? ).

/QFT

I think we're straying away from the facts related to the issue here.  There are many wonderful arguements posted above mine.  Lots of articulated defending one's point of view.  Lot's of innuendated persuasion.  All of it...... completely pointless.

Let me share some examples to prove it to you:

1)  I just get a brand new cruiser.  Got some neat gear to equip on it.  Ready to tackle the next higher difficult tier of missions.  I'M STOKED!!!  I start heading to my new mission area.  Jump thru the gate to the next zone.  Now..... on the SERVER, I immediately appear in the destination system.  However, my computer is still on the loading screen as it loads the zone and mobs and players, etc.  Whose sitting there camping the gate?  Like 5 "PVP players"  in cheap frigates with cruise missles.  All of a sudden, I end up in my clone facility shipless and gearless.  I promptly fume and /gamequit. 

Beta testers of EVE should remember this.  Yes kiddos, you USED to be able to load cruise missiles on ur frigates!!!  It provided a myriad of useful options in PvE that were stripped because of "PVP".  Everyone used to pop up in the center of the system so there weren't even any sentry turrets to protect you.  Pretty soon there'd be so many wrecks and CONCORD around that lag was ridiculous, making a concerted counterattack nearly impossible and effectively locking down that system.  (Remember Jita?)

2) I'm running around farming stuff or questing to level my toon or whatever.  I finish a quest in my current zone and DING!!!!  WOOOHOOO!!!!  I look in my quest log and my remaining quests in the area have gone grey.  Time to move on to a new area.  I check my map and follow the road to the edge of the zone and surmise that this road will take me to the next area with new quests and more dificult mobs.  At the edge of the zone, I run into a player of the opposing faction.  This player is max level with WICKED looking gear.  I stop and just gaze for a while in amazement.  He points at me, laughs and flaps his arms like a chicken.  Annoyed, I continue on my merry way.  Suddenly I'm hit for an amount of damage that's easily 20x my current health pool and die.  I run back to my body and he's still there.  This pattern happens over and over as I inch my way over to the safe zone and wait out the PVP flag timer.  I decide to stay in the zone and try farming for rares.  The other player follows me.  I ignore him and continue on my merry way.  Oops I pulled 1 or 2 too many and I instinctively AoE which strikes the opposing player for a paltry 1 dmg and flags me a HOSTILE.  Again hit for damage that should've atomized me, I die.  Now the said player crouches and stands repeatedly over my head in a makeshift "teabagging".

It's obvious what game I'm talking about here.  Let's think about this, this kill took absolutely NO SKILL AT ALL.  To 1-shot me like that, the opposing player had to be TWICE my level, at least.  His character therefore, INHERENTLY stronger than mine no matter what gear or talents I have trained.  It would be simply IMPOSSIBLE for me to beat this player, yet here he is.  1-shotting me and having a blast while doing it.  Sound like a player that likes a challenge?  I think not.

It is my personaly opinion that PvP is the ONLY way to measure one's skill in a game. Mobs will only do what they're preprogrammed to do.  Only a real live player that can think outside of the box, will truly test your skill.  I LOVE to mix things up with other players, but in FFA PVP servers, 90% of the PVP incidents will be similar to the above examples.  That's just cold, hard FACT.  No matter the intentions, or articulate debates, the facts are still there and they do not lie.  The few will ruin it for the majority unless the majority do something about it. 

In this sense, the majority happens to be the cashflow for the company.  It also happens to be people that like PvP "WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE PVPING."  This is a game, not real life.  If I go sailing on a big ship near africa, will I get attacked by somali pirates?  More than likely, yes I will.  Do I have to deal with that stress in a game I PAY to play and relax and have a good time?  No, I don't. 

Catering to the majority = paychecks for company.  Catering to fat, pimply, ear gauged and nose pierced rebels without causes, or good paying jobs for that matter = Chapter 13 bankruptcy.