Originally posted by Sevenwind

You and these video games don't have any luck solareus. Are you sure it was Aion? I mean you did say Age of Conan broke your video card.

EDIT: Link: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/230150 

 

And if you continuely read through that post you see many posters have tried to find out other causes, of the effects of abad "texture" map in dx10.  Learned that for the video driver I had  combined with dx10 , that particular texture cause my video mmeory to leak cause the cpu to get hot, where my compuer automatically shut down :) . I listened to a lot of suggestions int hat thread, as I'm listening to them in thiis one :).

Could of the extra Ip of been fluke ? I don't know but it is something that should be posted and people should be aware that NcSoft  accounts for many chinese and Korean players are highly valuable, and have probably the highest rate of being hcked then any other game company in the world, even Blizzard.

There is so much that NcSoft doesn't do, that I think a lot people will learn the hard way, I hope people stay aware when playing the game, keep an eye on your log files and keep your computer clean of cookies. For all Iknow someone has all my information right now for my account.

People can disregaurd this , as what ever, but when it happens on a mass scale, I won't be there to hold your hand:).

It's a gameguard thing. Check your event viewer under windows logs/security. You'll most likely see a few audit failures that will look like this:

Code integrity determined that the image hash of a file is not valid. The file could be corrupt due to unauthorized modification or the invalid hash could indicate a potential disk device error.

File Name: \Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\System32\npptNT2.sys

Code integrity determined that the image hash of a file is not valid. The file could be corrupt due to unauthorized modification or the invalid hash could indicate a potential disk device error.

File Name: \Device\HarddiskVolume1\Program Files\NCSoft\Aion\bin32\GameGuard\dump_wmimmc.sys

Either way, gameguard creates an unrestricted I/O service. While it in and of itself is not harmful, it can cause an access vulnerability. It's essentially a rootkit.

Enjoy.

Edit: Yay my first post.

Edit2: It's also not going to stop me from playing Aion.

Awesome first post, thank you ! The makes me feel a little better, but can you explain why I had an extra IP on the router ?

Do you have a wireless router? If so, then it's not Aion trying to bury itself into your router. Security doesn't matter either, but if you must, post the programs you use.

I'd assume it's the gameguard server connecting through the I/O driver. It would connect as its own "seperate device" even though it's through the PC that gameguard/Aion is installed on.

Edit: I use DMZplus so this is only an assumption and could be incorrect.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Do you have a wireless router? If so, then it's not Aion trying to bury itself into your router. Security doesn't matter either, but if you must, post the programs you use.

^^^

This is the first question I have to ask too.  Do you have a Wireless router and what is your Housing situation like?  Apt complex, SFR with large area's between houses?

Edit:  I just fired up a game that uses gameguard. no extra Ips added  So...... no.   

Just out of curiosity I turned off DMZplus, rebooted, then tried loading up Aion. No additional addresses appeared as a device in my router.

Best advice is to forward the accusations made in the OP to the NCSoft legal department as I'm sure they would want to protect themselves from these allegations.  Trolling or not the intent of the OP was pretty clear and ... they would have the option to pursue it if they choose.. which would only be "right" after all.

I checked my wireless router and oddly enough the only settings are the ones I've created.. "all in english"..

Altho to be honest I don't think I could actually tell you something was written in Korean.. as opposed to some other language in the area (that might be similar).

If someone wants to troll a game fine... If they want to say its crap and have never played it (or even if they have) fine...

But making an allegation that they would alter your router configurations (for some unknown reason) is something else all together.  Then of course if your router is password protected is the first problem.

Because now they would have had to go to the extreme of the keylogger.. and you just happened to access your router's admin pages in the few day(s) you had this installed...

I'm leaning towards the I/O mapping creating its own device, as for my router, it is all wired, I don't trust wwireless stuff.

I just think that is just bad design though if that is what happened.  Other games like TCoS that use game have never run ammuck like this "closed beta" 

I will alos have to wonder if it was someone phishing for me account too, through Game Gaurd ?

Hate opened ended situations like these, and as far as contacting NcSof, they have never given 2 craps about NA players.

To the guy above me, if the I/O mappers is on my computer already in the network, GameGaurd or NcSoft would not even need to access the router, they would of just created a ghost machine of the computer that I had the game installed on, and that is just scary to think about.

I'm oopen to all suggestions that have a possibility, I'm not pointing the figure, just want to make it aware , and maybe stop someone from losing there account :|

Sorry, but there isn't enough information to make any kind of real assesment of your situation, mainly because you have nothing that makes any sort of sense.  We would need more information to actually see whats happening, screenshots would be great. the Mac ID that ended up being assigned as well as the rest of the information from the routing table would be nice.

Who believe this troll? who has this issue other than you?

Originally posted by solareus

Turbine Launcher doesn't show up as a physical computer on my network, it uses port forwarding on the ip that the computer I'm playing on. So my computer would be for example 192.155.1.8  and then with game it would be on that ip with port :#### open .

 

What Im saying is that my computer was ip (again all example numbers) 192.155.1.8 nad under that was a new computer with the number 192.155.1.9

 

are seeing the problem yet ?

Man....get a life, you have no sweet clue what your talking about, stop surfing so much hentai porn and you wont get people hacking your box......just de-perv, format and reinstall, and it will all be ok...

Originally posted by solareus

Turbine Launcher doesn't show up as a physical computer on my network, it uses port forwarding on the ip that the computer I'm playing on. So my computer would be for example 192.155.1.8  and then with game it would be on that ip with port :#### open .

 

What Im saying is that my computer was ip (again all example numbers) 192.155.1.8 nad under that was a new computer with the number 192.155.1.9

 

are seeing the problem yet ?

I'll just forward your info to NC soft support and and see what they say.

Out of curiosity, if this really is an issue, are you sure this is an NC soft thing and not some sort of issue with you going to a site and downloading something that seeks out NC software? Where did you download Aion from?

Originally posted by solareus

and as far as contacting NcSof, they have never given 2 craps about NA players.

Well I don't know, the've always been pretty nice and helpful to me. They don't always get it right the first time but  I usually get some sort of resolution within a day or two.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by solareus

Turbine Launcher doesn't show up as a physical computer on my network, it uses port forwarding on the ip that the computer I'm playing on. So my computer would be for example 192.155.1.8  and then with game it would be on that ip with port :#### open .

 

What Im saying is that my computer was ip (again all example numbers) 192.155.1.8 nad under that was a new computer with the number 192.155.1.9

 

are seeing the problem yet ?

 

I'll just forward your info to NC soft support and and see what they say.

Out of curiosity, if this really is an issue, are you sure this is an NC soft thing and not some sort of issue with you going to a site and downloading something that seeks out NC software? Where did you download Aion from?

 

Originally posted by solareus

and as far as contacting NcSof, they have never given 2 craps about NA players.

Well I don't know, the've always been pretty nice and helpful to me. They don't always get it right the first time but  I usually get some sort of resolution within a day or two.

NC Technical support is going to check out the information in this thread just in case there is a larger issue to be dealt with.

he is lying.. dont bother with it

Originally posted by 0guz

he is lying.. dont bother with it

I can't say whether he is lying or not but they are curious and will be looking at the thread "just in case". Better safe than sorry.

Pretty much what I think happened:

 Gamegaurd created an I/O mapping controller in my Network properties, it's very onw TCP/IPv6 protocol, which is unexceptable, a programming creating newtork breeches , This inreturn created a ghost route,on my networked router , which again, wide open hole to my machine, because my machine was pretty much malicously taken over by Gameguard, on my router table my computer was now nake "insert korean lettering here" .

Upon this discover I took immediate actions to alert other players of the CB, and immediatly wiped Aion and Gameguard off my pc, and reset my router table as well as renaming the routers password.

Game gaurd is simply unexecceptable for NA player, we do not play in Cafe's, we play at our homes or colleges, and for a program/application to create a security threat for potential account stealers to exploit is simple poor sdevelopment in my opinion.

they want your account, only you have the problem
gimme gimme

There is always the possibility that somebody "guessed" your wireless network password and had access to your network for a while (or at least until you checked for whatever reason). Maybe the password was easy to guess or maybe they got it via brute force. If the problem disappeared after you changed your password, I'm inclined to believe that somebody has indeed gained access from the outside.

NCSoft Launcher has been on my computer since it debued during City of Heroes. I've had 0 problems with the launcher and so that leaves one possible culprit, being Aion itself which I recently downloaded and installed on my machine. I'll let you know if I have any similar issues with my beta weekend over the next few days.

So ya, I guess its safe to say I'll be playing Aion and you won't, sorry.

From NC Support:

Hello John, (shhh... don't tell anyone, my name is John)

Thanks for sending that in. From reviewing the forum thread it's impossible to determine what caused the issue.

As far as NCSoft software goes, Aion, Game Guard, and the NCsoft Launcher do not act in the manners that are hypothesized on the thread. Aion connects in the exact same manner as Exteel and Lineage 2 and nothing of this nature has ever been reported to us.

My best suggestion would be for that person to contact us directly in the future if he feels there is an issue with the game, not that there is any link between the game and his possible security issue in this case. Also, he should consider a solid security suite, although nothing actually malicious was being reported in the post. Most of the other posters seem to be on the right track in their advice.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
Donovan
NCsoft Technical Support Senior

guys he is for real, he is not joking. YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR ROUTER TABLES. FOR REAL.

look here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcoDDUrruB8

Watch your ROUTER TABLES, h4xx0rz will hack teh gibson in your house if you don't !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

So I decided to test this out to see.

1.  Aion not running:  No extra network protocols listed under my LAN connection.  No extra connected devices listed under my router.

2.  Aion running:  Same thing as above.

Looks like this is an issue with your personal network, OP.  If it was a problem with Aion/NCSoft launcher I should be having exactly the same experience.

Sorry, looks like you have a might bigger issue to worry about.

Ive recently played GW, Lineage 2 and Exteel as well, and had no issues, it was specific to Aion.Lets us hope my problem was just that mine, and everyone can enjoy the game :).  As far as game gaurd goes, I will never use it again.

Originally posted by Dameonk

So I decided to test this out to see.

1.  Aion not running:  No extra network protocols listed under my LAN connection.  No extra connected devices listed under my router.

2.  Aion running:  Same thing as above.

Looks like this is an issue with your personal network, OP.  If it was a problem with Aion/NCSoft launcher I should be having exactly the same experience.

Sorry, looks like you have a might bigger issue to worry about.

To duplicate :

When the beta starts, load up Aion let game guard do what it does, play in the game world. Log out and go into your control panel, Networking Congi, and see if a new Protocol called I/O mapping is listed, if it is listed, check your routers table and see what computers are connected.  IF you see Korean letter, it has been duplicated.