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zchmrkenhoff
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6/15/09 7:24:16 PM#21
It is not possible to drink alcohol without having negative side effect. Go do some actual research, something which you have clearly haven't done. this includes pain relief, helping with meditation (yoga), stress relief, and problems with gaining weigth. (the quoting was getting too long)
Like near everything, I am acutely aware that even the most small consumption of alcohol would give you a negative effect. However, it has been concluded that that negative effect doesn't have a significant effect on our driving ability until it reaches the .08 level. I could consume red wine and not abuse the substance, however. It is a casual beverage that were I to drink it in moderation, it would help me in the long run, while utilization of marijuana would get me high, and I would be abusing it. I recognize that marijuana does those things, and therefore believe that it should be legalized for medicinal purposes only. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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DailyBuzz
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6/15/09 7:25:31 PM#22
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Our society will most certainly be better when it's over. I just don't think the end will come as you perceive it will. The "drug war" will be abandoned, logged as another failed policy waged against minorities and the poor in an attempt to sustain the revenue flow for corporate conglomerates. If you had even an inkling of how society has become marred in these policies, I'd give your post a second read. However, it is quite clear that you are either incredibly naive or unwavering in your ignorance, and are not in search of factual information through independent study. Then again, there is a third option. I almost believe you are merely a contrarian, here seeking attention. That's how absurd your statements are. |
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zchmrkenhoff
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The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
6/15/09 7:25:51 PM#23
Originally posted by Gameloading I didn't ignore anything. That negative effect is not the full intoxication effect. Studies can prove that a significant amount of everyday things could have negative effects on you, but they are irrelevant. Since they have set the limit to .08%, then they have concluded that the negative effects of it on you aren't evident enough to impair judgement enough to affect their driving ability. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to drive with any alcohol in your system at all were it to have that much of an affect on your ability to drive. They are irrelevant? DING DING DING, Here comes the clue train, next stop is you! I"m saying the negative effect IS the high you get from it. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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zchmrkenhoff
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Joined: 4/19/09
The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
6/15/09 7:27:59 PM#24
Originally posted by DailyBuzz
Our society will most certainly be better when it's over. I just don't think the end will come as you perceive it will. The "drug war" will be abandoned, logged as another failed policy waged against minorities and the poor in an attempt to sustain the revenue flow for corporate conglomerates. If you had even an inkling of how society has become marred in these policies, I'd give your post a second read. However, it is quite clear that you are either incredibly naive or unwavering in your ignorance, and are not in search of factual information through independent study. Then again, there is a third option. I almost believe you are merely a contrarian, here seeking attention. That's how absurd your statements are. It will not be abandoned... if it is abandoned, I will be rather disappointed in our country as it slips into further despair. It needs more support and stronger focus for it to work... it seems that it's only being casually pursued. If we wish to rage a drug war, we should be in it all or nothing, lest it become another Vietnam. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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6/15/09 7:31:18 PM#25
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff If it has a significant effect or not is now irrelevant because of your standpoint. Ofcourse it doesn't have a negative effect on your driving ability onto 0.8. Low consumption of alcahol does not have a dangerous effect on your driving capabilities, thing is, neither does low usage of marijuana. You keep saying you get "high" from marijuana as if this is something dangerous. It isn't anymore than low usage of alcohol, in fact, small usage of alcohol is more damaging than marijuana. Releasing stress and relaxing is not something that you require medication for. Give it up, your argument is flawed |
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6/15/09 7:36:28 PM#26
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Similarly the "high" effects can be moderated by how much you consume. Nevertheless as evidenced above, consuming any amount of a substance will give you some effect. Therefore all substances should be illegal, correct? That is flawed reasoning. Many people smoke weed because it calms them and reduces stress and allows them to relax. These are positive effects and other drugs induce positive mental effects into a person's outlook on their life or what they get out of life and they have fun when they are consuming them. How is that a "negative effect", how is that "abuse" and how is that "unhealthy" ? Saying "abusing" them is when you get an "effect" is completely baseless. You might like to think so and maybe that philosophy stops you from consuming these substances. But you cannot substantiate that claim to anyone. I claim that it is not abuse when someone consumes it for whatever effect they desire, rather only claim it is abuse when it negatively effects someone else in a harmful manner; that can be substantiated by statistics and history as well as reason. Your remark with regards to punishment does not address the issue. Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell |
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zchmrkenhoff
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Joined: 4/19/09
The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
6/15/09 7:42:54 PM#27
Originally posted by Gameloading If it has a significant effect or not is now irrelevant because of your standpoint. Ofcourse it doesn't have a negative effect on your driving ability onto 0.8. Low consumption of alcahol does not have a dangerous effect on your driving capabilities, thing is, neither does low usage of marijuana. You keep saying you get "high" from marijuana as if this is something dangerous. It isn't anymore than low usage of alcohol, in fact, small usage of alcohol is more damaging than marijuana. Releasing stress and relaxing is not something that you require medication for. Give it up, argument is flawed. I'm not saying that the "high" is truly synonymous with being drunk... it just isn't something that we as a people should be hell-bent towards becoming. We should trust in ourselves to be able to relax and meditate... it is possible to do so. If you supplement the natural ability to relax with that of relaxing with a high, then you will begin to find that you won't be truly relaxed until you are high and that's where addiction starts...
Perhaps I could yield and forfeit the argument that people who have marijuana should be punished? The main thing that I am disappointed at is people themselves... that they would rather invest and invest in marijuana to supplement abilities that they already have. Many of my friends got hooked on drugs from marijuana and it has become their lives... all they talk about are getting these drugs that I frankly have never heard of they are so obscure and it's disgusting...
I think that if you are a reasonable person, and you have self control, then using marijuana isn't the worst thing in the world. I can yield the term "abuse" and just leave the process as a habit. But the type of person that goes around and tries to persuade people to do drugs and insult them for not is a truly different argument. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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zchmrkenhoff
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Joined: 4/19/09
The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
6/15/09 7:48:51 PM#29
Originally posted by popinjay I've been thinking about it more rationally and as far as marijuana goes, I believe that a rational person should be able to use it... I'm just afraid of who else gets to use it. The people who make their lives revolve around it are in my opinion disgusting... and so many people I know are as such. Maybe you should have to have a permit or something to legally use it ... along with alcohol :P. All serious... I think a general competency test would go a long way in solving a lot of these problems... haha. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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DailyBuzz
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Hey guys, I broke this...anyone know how to fix it? |
6/15/09 7:50:57 PM#30
Originally posted by popinjay Yes, I think most people have heard of Michael Phelps. |
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6/15/09 7:53:16 PM#31
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff I'm not saying that the "high" is truly synonymous with being drunk... it just isn't something that we as a people should be hell-bent towards becoming. We should trust in ourselves to be able to relax and meditate... it is possible to do so. If you supplement the natural ability to relax with that of relaxing with a high, then you will begin to find that you won't be truly relaxed until you are high and that's where addiction starts...
Perhaps I could yield and forfeit the argument that people who have marijuana should be punished? The main thing that I am disappointed at is people themselves... that they would rather invest and invest in marijuana to supplement abilities that they already have. Many of my friends got hooked on drugs from marijuana and it has become their lives... all they talk about are getting these drugs that I frankly have never heard of they are so obscure and it's disgusting...
I think that if you are a reasonable person, and you have self control, then using marijuana isn't the worst thing in the world. I can yield the term "abuse" and just leave the process as a habit. But the type of person that goes around and tries to persuade people to do drugs and insult them for not is a truly different argument.
That is still not an arguement. People who ride bicycles find enjoyment out riding their bicycle, but there are a lot of risks involved in riding a bicycle. Shouldn't we trust ourselves to get that enjoyment without using a bicycle? It is fine if you don't like consuming drugs or consuming alcohol (we really, really need to stop seperating these terms), but to sit there and claim that you or people in general are fundamentally better because you or they don't is where you are going wrong. Am I better than the bicyclist who uses a contraption of technology to get enjoyment or relaxation because I do not use it? No. You have to accept this simple old proverb: different strokes for different folks. Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell |
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Lol, you are mean Buzz. |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
6/15/09 8:08:31 PM#33
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff I’ve been reading your posts throughout this thread and, to be honest, I thought you sounded way over the top until reading this post. If you’ve had friends descend into a drug dependency that marijuana was a front-runner for, then I understand your feelings man. I sincerely do. I also sincerely applaud you for making reasonable concessions in this discussion, that’s an ability that will serve you well in life. Here’s the thing though. Most of the time, before someone tries pot they try cigarettes and alcohol, so if marijuana is a gate-way drug then so are those. The same logic has to be applied all the way around the subject, not just in areas. They say now that addiction is a disease, that’s something I don’t agree with myself. I think people need to be stronger about things and stop trying to pass the blame to anything that society is willing to use as a scapegoat for our personal lack of willpower. If you’ve seen any of my posts, even the one in this thread, you can tell I smoke marijuana. I also graduated from High School with a 3.9 GPA(I took Latin as a foreign language hence the 3.9, I could have easily gotten a 4.0 with Spanish or French mind you), I also put in my time at, what I consider to be, a very respectable College. So you see, not all of us are burn-out derelicts who are a burden on society. Actually, I’ve spent more time playing video games and chasing girls I never had a chance with than I ever did sitting around the house getting baked. In the end it was just free time anyway. There was never much of a chance that I was going to cure cancer. Except that one time I found that rare indigenous ant in the Amazonian rainforest…and smoked it.
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zchmrkenhoff
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Joined: 4/19/09
The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
6/15/09 8:17:25 PM#34
Originally posted by clwoods I’ve been reading your posts throughout this thread and, to be honest, I thought you sounded way over the top until reading this post. If you’ve had friends descend into a drug dependency that marijuana was a front-runner for, then I understand your feelings man. I sincerely do. I also sincerely applaud you for making reasonable concessions in this discussion, that’s an ability that will serve you well in life. Here’s the thing though. Most of the time, before someone tries pot they try cigarettes and alcohol, so if marijuana is a gate-way drug then so are those. The same logic has to be applied all the way around the subject, not just in areas. They say now that addiction is a disease, that’s something I don’t agree with myself. I think people need to be stronger about things and stop trying to pass the blame to anything that society is willing to use as a scapegoat for our personal lack of willpower. If you’ve seen any of my posts, even the one in this thread, you can tell I smoke marijuana. I also graduated from High School with a 3.9 GPA(I took Latin as a foreign language hence the 3.9, I could have easily gotten a 4.0 with Spanish or French mind you), I also put in my time at, what I consider to be, a very respectable College. So you see, not all of us are burn-out derelicts who are a burden on society. Actually, I’ve spent more time playing video games and chasing girls I never had a chance with than I ever did sitting around the house getting baked. In the end it was just free time anyway. There was never much of a chance that I was going to cure cancer. Except that one time I found that rare indigenous ant in the Amazonian rainforest…and smoked it.
It's tough to gather all the different things floating around as to why I dislike druggies so much... recollecting back, I suppose I have said some ignorant things. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
6/15/09 8:24:55 PM#35
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff It's alright man, no worries. When I was 18 I wore a Che Guevara shirt all the time and thought counterculture was railing against MTV for not playing music videos anymore. |
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6/15/09 8:50:55 PM#36
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Pure ignorance. There are responsible users of every single illegal drug out there. Despite popular belief, many people use weed, cocaine, meth, LSD, etc. and still hold a normal life. They use the drugs for their own reasons, be it temporary escape from the norm, physical pain suppresion, or just boredom. Who cares what they do as long as they don't hurt others? Are they more likely to hurt someone while on these substances? Depends on the substance, but it still doesn't matter. Those who carry guns are more likely to kill someone than those who aren't, yet concealed carry is legal in some states. The drug war only punishes the innocent as the guilty would still be caught if these drugs were legal. |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
6/15/09 8:52:44 PM#37
Originally posted by Sabiancym
Pure ignorance. There are responsible users of every single illegal drug out there. Despite popular belief, many people use weed, cocaine, meth, LSD, etc. and still hold a normal life. They use the drugs for their own reasons, be it temporary escape from the norm, physical pain suppresion, or just boredom. Who cares what they do as long as they don't hurt others? Are they more likely to hurt someone while on these substances? Depends on the substance, but it still doesn't matter. Those who carry guns are more likely to kill someone than those who aren't, yet concealed carry is legal in some states. The drug war only punishes the innocent as the guilty would still be caught if these drugs were legal. Go easy man, scroll up and read his newest post, he's conceded that some of his points were a bit outlandish. |
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6/15/09 8:57:00 PM#38
Potheads generally don't run big businesses and therefore don't contribute much to election campaigns. It'll never happen. |
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PotGROWERS do generally run big businesses. Marijuana is the most profitable underground cash crop in our country.
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
6/15/09 9:09:04 PM#40
Originally posted by popinjay
Richard Branson runs a pretty big business too. So does Bill Gates, though I don't think he smokes anymore. |
