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Absolutely! And I'll explain.
Too many people bash a game because it is not their perfect peice of art... work. WoW did it... fit the exact art style with the game machanics which it chose. Stayed within the world that the fanatics knew of before... be honest with you we are not up to the "let's make our avatars look real" phase yet... at least to work it flawlessly. Many people out in our community believe graphics are how we can achieve realisim... I disagree. Animation is more rich and "real" than any graphic... give us oodles of movement freedom with our characters and we will stick with said game. Don't get me wrong, WoW could have improved on that idea. Still a good game.
You must start somewhere... the table tops, to "The Realm" moving on to a wide fan-based game as Ultima Online, pointless game to now standards but they did something... ownership. That was and is a huge attraction for gamers. From there we went a more 3-D route. Then came WoW... with it's different art, angle.. take on the genre. Quest-based leveling? Who would have thought? It was 'just' what us gamers needed.
Addiction. It isn't really a good thing, however when you have a "good" thing cooking, hard to put it down. Good job WoW on that aspect. The classes, though went through many changes, were fair... different. Even fun. The community who are anti-WoW don't give them the credit where it is do. The PvP was always there, better then any game before and even more solid to date... you cannot achieve a better PvE experience, true PvE experience than WoW. The huge part of the sucess of WoW was a solid no bug launch of the Super-Giant MMORPG... also Blizzards pocket.
Have you heard or ventured in a game called,"Shadowbane"? Awesome ideas, great concept... could have put WoW down. The developers had 'like' a 10 dollar budget. You know... wasn't much. WoW did have the backing on the financial part... great lore. Hard for this game to fail, and it was DIFFERENT!
Now here is some SW:TOR. Buget backing... story added, art that fits... ideas that make sense. And the makers know who the current MMO Giant is... knowing that is only going to help them better their product. In life.. the "real" world we only grow from each other, what we know in the past and what we can expand on. If there is a such thing as a WoW killer, though I wish them all the luck, I believe SW:TOR is it! If you are reading this I am sure you are leaning more to SW then WoW. I simpily wanted to clear the air and give my two cents on why we should give WoW respect... and hopfully see a new giant emerge.
Thank you for your time folks, have a nice day! ~agthompson Host of the Only Un-Official Star Wars The Old Republic Vodcast - www.youtube.com/user/uswtorv |
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6/14/09 10:44:35 AM#2
I don't respect WoW and I won't ever respect it. Its mmo's light and its crap. Not to mention the behavior of most of the players is despicable.I'll never play it again. Most people eventually leave the game for better games. The endless raiding is aggravating to say the best.
The only thing WoW did was take features of all the other games, dumb them down, and put them into the game.
If they make this game yet another carbon copy of WoW with different graphics, like every other new game recently released, I'm going to be severely pissed.
PLEASE NO MORE WOW, DEVS. PLEASE GIVE US SOMETHING DIFFERENT. My website is closed temporarily. Hopefully it will only be a short delay. |
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6/14/09 10:49:11 AM#3
I agree with the OP, there's plenty of complaints that WoW killed MMO's etc. From a more realistic standpoint, WoW brought people to MMO's that traditionally may never have considered it. We can now expect more games with bigger budgets thanks to WoW... nothing to complain about.
I enjoy WoW, but I'll be laying down my Warlock in hopes of some good times with a lightsaber or great one liners from a smuggler. WTB Sig. |
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Warsong
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6/14/09 10:53:15 AM#4
Pros: WoW did bring allot of attention to MMO's overall. Cons: WoW loving carebear goons may infect SWTOR.
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6/14/09 10:53:42 AM#5
WoW changed the MMORPG genre from a genre that was rather specific to a more mass-audience-suitable form. Unfortunately, in the process, it managed to change perception of the genre and its profitability to such a degree that the way MMORPGs were designed and played changed with it. Blizzard didnt reinvent the wheel, nope. Its just the effect of WoWs big success that changed a genre in a way that alienated its original playerbase, diluted it with tons of players who liked parts of it, but disliked others, and suddenly the entire industry preferably caters to this imaginary playerbase, and produces one bust after another. I can respect Blizzard for making WoW. I dont have to like the consequences of it. It DID pretty much wipe out the original MMORPG genre, replacing it with something else, and up to now, this niche didnt reform. Its just one fail after the other. |
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DeserttFoxx
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6/14/09 10:55:59 AM#6
Originally posted by Warsong
WoW has 11million subscribers. WoW is doing something right.
Anyone who bashes WoW can automatically be dismissed as someone who has no clue of they are talking about.
There is no doubt that somoene who liked WoW will like Star wars.
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Warsong
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6/14/09 11:07:54 AM#7
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
WoW has 11million subscribers. WoW is doing something right.
Anyone who bashes WoW can automatically be dismissed as someone who has no clue of they are talking about.
There is no doubt that somoene who liked WoW will like Star wars.
I bash communism and mass religions, most politicians and vegetarians also (who is standing up for the veggies right to live?!?). Just because allot of people do a certain thing doesn't make it the best or right or wrong thing. And just because WoW is some "in thing" for allot of simple minded gamers, it makes it a good thing for them, but others want something better or more challenging. |
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6/14/09 11:12:56 AM#8
Originally posted by Warsong I bash communism and mass religions, most politicians and vegetarians also (who is standing up for the veggies right to live?!?). Just because allot of people do a certain thing doesn't make it the best or right or wrong thing. And just because WoW is some "in thing" for allot of simple minded gamers, it makes it a good thing for them, but others want something better or more challenging. Simple minded hah. Just because some people like to play a simple game doesn't make them all simple minded. Same goes for those who like more in depth complicated games. Doesn't make all those who enjoy those type of games deep, interesting or intelligent ;D |
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Warsong
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6/14/09 11:15:04 AM#9
Originally posted by jacobuj I bash communism and mass religions, most politicians and vegetarians also (who is standing up for the veggies right to live?!?). Just because allot of people do a certain thing doesn't make it the best or right or wrong thing. And just because WoW is some "in thing" for allot of simple minded gamers, it makes it a good thing for them, but others want something better or more challenging. Simple minded hah. Just because some people like to play a simple game doesn't make them all simple minded. Same goes for those who like more in depth complicated games. Doesn't make all those who enjoy those type of games deep, interesting or intelligent ;D Fair enough, but having 11 mill around sure makes that a MUCH larger pool of simple minds :P it adds up lol |
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Katilla
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6/14/09 11:16:21 AM#10
Originally posted by Warsong
people really need to stop thinking that WoW is the basis of all MMO's and stop thinking that WoW did everything first. the only reason that it is still so popular is that it's easy to play, and plays on pretty much any computer. but revolutionary? i think not. |
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6/14/09 11:16:49 AM#11
Originally posted by Warsong Simple minded hah. Just because some people like to play a simple game doesn't make them all simple minded. Same goes for those who like more in depth complicated games. Doesn't make all those who enjoy those type of games deep, interesting or intelligent ;D Fair enough, but having 11 mill around sure makes that a MUCH larger pool of simple minds :P it adds up lol This is true hehe. |
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6/14/09 11:24:28 AM#12
Originally posted by nakedcody Correct. Wow introduced people to MMO" that had never considered them before. And im sure that some of the folks who "discovered" MMO's have or will move on and try other games as well. I see this as a good thing myself, the bigger the market the more product we will see. Not every game will be for everyone but as said, there is much more to choose from due in part from the success of WOW. |
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Warsong
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6/14/09 11:25:55 AM#13
Originally posted by Katilla
people really need to stop thinking that WoW is the basis of all MMO's and stop thinking that WoW did everything first. the only reason that it is still so popular is that it's easy to play, and plays on pretty much any computer. but revolutionary? i think not. That's not me buddy, I have never thought nor stated anything even remotely close to any of that shite! With all the PVE and lack of PVP made the game=a sleeping pill for me. AI is so repetitive, predictable and available in way to many other games/MMO's. When I play an MMO I expect and want to be put up against other players the majority of the game not 1% of the game. |
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6/14/09 11:29:07 AM#14
Do you respect windows, Mc Donalds, Apple for their mp3 players.... I dont, many clients never meant that the company:their products were good. I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long. |
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6/14/09 11:30:03 AM#15
Originally posted by Warsong That's not me buddy, I have never thought nor stated anything even remotely close to any of that shite! With all the PVE and lack of PVP made the game=a sleeping pill for me. AI is so repetitive, predictable and available in way to many other games/MMO's. When I play an MMO I expect and want to be put up against other players the majority of the game not 1% of the game. No you have your own shite to spew. I often wonder what drives the haters of different games to continually post their "shite" on every thread the find concerning the game. People that play whatever game is being trashed could care less and those that do not play said game just look upon your rants as what they are, childish and ignorant. Nice name by the way, spend a lot of time in Warsong Gulch did you??? |
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Warsong
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6/14/09 11:34:38 AM#16
Originally posted by grandpagamer That's not me buddy, I have never thought nor stated anything even remotely close to any of that shite! With all the PVE and lack of PVP made the game=a sleeping pill for me. AI is so repetitive, predictable and available in way to many other games/MMO's. When I play an MMO I expect and want to be put up against other players the majority of the game not 1% of the game. No you have your own shite to spew. I often wonder what drives the haters of different games to continually post their "shite" on every thread the find concerning the game. People that play whatever game is being trashed could care less and those that do not play said game just look upon your rants as what they are, childish and ignorant. Voicing an opinion doesn't make it hate, childish or ignorant but I am honest. But on your note I could point out ironies in your post but I wont. |
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6/14/09 11:36:39 AM#17
My MMO life started with Final Fantasy xi, I got my Paladin upto level54 before I got bored of standing in Jeuno LFG for an hour each night before I could play. I tried EQ2 on launch and while some parts impressed me I simply could not get it to run right on my PC. One minute it was great then it stuttered like mad. I got a RunePriest to rank40 RR 55 in WAR and tried out AOC as well but for the most part I played WoW from Euro release to just after WOTLK was released. WoW wasn't my first MMO or the only MMO I've played. I want to ask what is so simple about WoW compared to other MMOS? I agree the crafting is simple, even though the way you actually crafted is much the same in any other MMO I've played. gather the mats and hit "create" and cross your fingers. One thing I did like about EQ 2 was the crafting. I'm not trolling I'd like to know what people mean when they say WOW is simple as none of the other games I've played have been any if much more complex. |
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6/14/09 11:42:24 AM#18
OP has opened my eyes on one point......or , more like, focused them on a distant memory.. I think graphics do help realism...to a point..but it is absolutely true that realistic animations assist greatly and can make ...initially sub-par graphics...seem more advanced. I think of 2 games I played on the Commodore 64...."Karateka" and "Prince of Persia"....both done by the same company..I believe. Those games ...for the time (late 80's)...had very realistic animations....all movements seem very "human" and seamless. I think those animations still hold up today.(..and these were side view 2D games). It's kind of sad that many of the animations in contemporary games...especially MMOs....are not as realistic as a game made about 20 years ago. I know the mechanics of a SPG and an MMO are different...but you'd think technology would have caught up at some point...and I think it has for some MMOS.( I think AoC animations aren't too shabby). I hope TOR has this touch....it really does add to the immersion of a game...imo. |
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6/14/09 11:42:32 AM#19
Originally posted by Kordac Absolutely. Ive played the games you have mentioned except for FF and agree with your point. These are video games, not rocket science. Of the games you mentioned i would consider EQ2 the most complex. |
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6/14/09 11:42:35 AM#20
Originally posted by Kordac
It's simple in relative terms. I play both WoW and Eve and I do find that many things in WoW are very simple comparatively. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it though :) |
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