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6/12/09 8:54:07 AM#161
I for one Like this Idea. With the lack of jobs and money being tight everywhere, it’s good for all. Get new subs that normally wouldn't play, might check it out just because it's free. And let’s face it, subs are down. I for one welcome the change. As a subscriber, I will continue to pay to be a VIP for the extra perks. I can't believe people talking about leaving a game they like over this, New blood is good and if they like the game, {and they should} they will want to pay so they can compete with the big boys. I really think this is a Win Win
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6/12/09 9:03:03 AM#162
Originally posted by Giddian I can't understand all the F2P player hate either, or the fact the forums have gone hissy fit mad. |
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6/12/09 9:14:32 AM#163
Originally posted by Giddian
Unless people spend money on the cash shop the F2P model will not make Turbine any money. So it may attract unemployeed or people on a tight budget but if they can not afford to spend money how do they help DDO?
It is a good change for Turbine and the long term health of DDO could improve due to this, but that does not mean it will be good for the current players.
Truth is DDO is not popular and player retention from the free trial was poor. DDO has a tougher than average learning curve, DDO lacks many time sinks that MMO gamers enjoy and F2P that are good seem to have. So what we have is a game that not many have found to be a great MMO that now because it is free people will flock to? I expect an increase in population, I do not expect it to maintain a huge % of them. But I think the game will grow from this. But lets face facts if DDO was so good people would have been paying to compete with the big boys for three years, they have not. This game is not for everyone, but for those of us who like or liked it, it is a great game even if the Turbine management seems to have no clue. |
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6/12/09 9:17:09 AM#164
Originally posted by Dr.Rock I can't understand all the F2P player hate either, or the fact the forums have gone hissy fit mad.
Have you played many F2P games? They tend to attract a less than mature and intelligent crowd. Not that all of the players or even a majority are the problem, but the ones you get that are tend to really be problems.
WHich forums are hissy fit mad? The official DDO ones seem to be full oif questions that in typical Turbine fashion are not being answered. They had one good day of PR and now slipped back again. |
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6/12/09 9:28:30 AM#165
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Have you played many F2P games? They tend to attract a less than mature and intelligent crowd. Not that all of the players or even a majority are the problem, but the ones you get that are tend to really be problems.
WHich forums are hissy fit mad? The official DDO ones seem to be full oif questions that in typical Turbine fashion are not being answered. They had one good day of PR and now slipped back again.
From here it looks like in typical self righteous player fashion, people feel they're owed every bit of information they want. They've answered a lot of questions and they will put out more information when they are ready. Contrary to your's and a couple other people that post a lot on here, they don't have to sit there and answer every question players ask. They can also choose to answer none of them, and if you'd expand your experience a bit you'd see no company sits on the forums and answers all the questions. A lot of companies don't post information on their forums ever, they just moderate them.
But the type of player like you, who feels for some reason he is owed everything, will always be upset with any game you are playing. Since every company will continue to not answer all the questions, and continue to put out information when they are ready to. All you can do is realize it is just a game, and life doesn't revolve around it, then maybe you can get used to how the world works which is information from companies when they are ready to give it. |
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6/12/09 9:40:04 AM#166
Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk
EU forums are leaving post heavy even though we are not getting the F2P option. It would appear F2P bigotry doesn't even require you to be affected, truly amazing. |
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6/12/09 9:43:48 AM#167
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Unless people spend money on the cash shop the F2P model will not make Turbine any money. So it may attract unemployeed or people on a tight budget but if they can not afford to spend money how do they help DDO?
It is a good change for Turbine and the long term health of DDO could improve due to this, but that does not mean it will be good for the current players.
Truth is DDO is not popular and player retention from the free trial was poor. DDO has a tougher than average learning curve, DDO lacks many time sinks that MMO gamers enjoy and F2P that are good seem to have. So what we have is a game that not many have found to be a great MMO that now because it is free people will flock to? I expect an increase in population, I do not expect it to maintain a huge % of them. But I think the game will grow from this. But lets face facts if DDO was so good people would have been paying to compete with the big boys for three years, they have not. This game is not for everyone, but for those of us who like or liked it, it is a great game even if the Turbine management seems to have no clue.
I do not agree 100% Some of what you say is true, but times are different right now. Economy is in the toilet, people don't have extra money to play. I do not believe DDO is a Tougher than average Learning curve. Let's face it, when you say Dungeons & Dragons, the first thing most people think of is some nerd in his Mother's basement, and wouldn't be interested in paying to play with that crowd. Free to play will possably give them that extra push. If people start to play they will pay for extra thing or even pay for VIP. As for the the other FTP games, They don't hold a candle to this. I don't worry about getting the kiddy crowd, they will drop like flys. I love this Idea and can't wait for the Change.
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6/12/09 11:26:54 AM#168
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Historically they do attract immature players, but it doesn't have to be like that. Simple games attract immature people and most F2P games are simple. The game may attract fans of Guild Wars which has a lot of mature players. I think there were a LOT of people on the fence about DDO. They like it, but prefer open world games and can't afford two full price subscriptions. This change IS good for the current players. Anything that is good for the long term health of the game is good for the current players. If the F2P option is profitable then it can only mean that there will be more content. The funny part is that even on the beta boards, the general tone is even more postitive than it was when they first released the details of the WoP nerf. Most of the people who I never thought would support this change are supporting it. Morale is good.
My only concern is the timing of the release. I am in FIVE(!) MMORPG betas right now and they are all releasing at the same time as the F2P DDO. I'm not sure I'll even get around to playing DDO for quite a while, free or not. |
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6/12/09 12:31:09 PM#169
Originally posted by Aganazer
Historically they do attract immature players, but it doesn't have to be like that. Simple games attract immature people and most F2P games are simple. The game may attract fans of Guild Wars which has a lot of mature players. I think there were a LOT of people on the fence about DDO. They like it, but prefer open world games and can't afford two full price subscriptions. This change IS good for the current players. Anything that is good for the long term health of the game is good for the current players. If the F2P option is profitable then it can only mean that there will be more content. The funny part is that even on the beta boards, the general tone is even more postitive than it was when they first released the details of the WoP nerf. Most of the people who I never thought would support this change are supporting it. Morale is good.
My only concern is the timing of the release. I am in FIVE(!) MMORPG betas right now and they are all releasing at the same time as the F2P DDO. I'm not sure I'll even get around to playing DDO for quite a while, free or not. I played GW for years and it also has an abundance of people I would never group with. GW still required a box purchase and it was full of people who would have been banned in many games. Right now we do not know the F2P is going to be good for the long term health of DDO. It has the potential to be, but if Turbine treats the game like it has the last year then it will not succeed. DDO is simply missing things that keep MMO players active and they need to add things to get people to pay. DDO failed as a subscription based MMO, it could fail as a F2P if they do not treat it properly. Turbine has shown over the years to lack a plan and good management. |
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6/12/09 12:35:46 PM#170
Originally posted by Giddian
I do not agree 100% Some of what you say is true, but times are different right now. Economy is in the toilet, people don't have extra money to play. I do not believe DDO is a Tougher than average Learning curve. Let's face it, when you say Dungeons & Dragons, the first thing most people think of is some nerd in his Mother's basement, and wouldn't be interested in paying to play with that crowd. Free to play will possably give them that extra push. If people start to play they will pay for extra thing or even pay for VIP. As for the the other FTP games, They don't hold a candle to this. I don't worry about getting the kiddy crowd, they will drop like flys. I love this Idea and can't wait for the Change.
So most people think nerd in moms basement when they think of DDO? But because it is free those people will play? I think you are looking at this like a 12 year old would instead of the generally older crowd DDO has attracted. If you think DDOs lacks of popularity is due to that perception instead of the fact that people did not stay once they tried it and found it lacking then I cant really help you.
Why will the kiddy crowd drop like flies? They will likely do in DDO(if they come) what they do in other F2P games, ruin general chat and make offensive names. |
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6/12/09 12:47:56 PM#171
I have a question. In the text I read about this it says DDO Unlimited is a free upgrade to DDO, so does that mean that someone who has never played before still has to buy a retail version first? Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update. Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG... |
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6/12/09 12:56:00 PM#172
Originally posted by hybridfury
Once it goes free it will be a free digital download. |
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6/12/09 1:00:24 PM#173
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
I do not agree 100% Some of what you say is true, but times are different right now. Economy is in the toilet, people don't have extra money to play. I do not believe DDO is a Tougher than average Learning curve. Let's face it, when you say Dungeons & Dragons, the first thing most people think of is some nerd in his Mother's basement, and wouldn't be interested in paying to play with that crowd. Free to play will possably give them that extra push. If people start to play they will pay for extra thing or even pay for VIP. As for the the other FTP games, They don't hold a candle to this. I don't worry about getting the kiddy crowd, they will drop like flys. I love this Idea and can't wait for the Change.
So most people think nerd in moms basement when they think of DDO? But because it is free those people will play? I think you are looking at this like a 12 year old would instead of the generally older crowd DDO has attracted. If you think DDOs lacks of popularity is due to that perception instead of the fact that people did not stay once they tried it and found it lacking then I cant really help you.
Why will the kiddy crowd drop like flies? They will likely do in DDO(if they come) what they do in other F2P games, ruin general chat and make offensive names.
I think one of the things that attracts the "kiddy crowd", as you say, is the fact that a game is F2P. This also applies to betas. I participated in the Aion beta last weekend and it was unbelieveable. Inappropriate names, offensive chat, you name it. EDIT: Once again MMORPG.com's wothless forum has lopped off more than half of my post. I'm not even going to try and re-create it. It's just not woth dealing with their bulls**it forum software. |
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6/12/09 1:47:09 PM#174
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
I do not agree 100% Some of what you say is true, but times are different right now. Economy is in the toilet, people don't have extra money to play. I do not believe DDO is a Tougher than average Learning curve. Let's face it, when you say Dungeons & Dragons, the first thing most people think of is some nerd in his Mother's basement, and wouldn't be interested in paying to play with that crowd. Free to play will possably give them that extra push. If people start to play they will pay for extra thing or even pay for VIP. As for the the other FTP games, They don't hold a candle to this. I don't worry about getting the kiddy crowd, they will drop like flys. I love this Idea and can't wait for the Change.
So most people think nerd in moms basement when they think of DDO? But because it is free those people will play? I think you are looking at this like a 12 year old would instead of the generally older crowd DDO has attracted. If you think DDOs lacks of popularity is due to that perception instead of the fact that people did not stay once they tried it and found it lacking then I cant really help you.
Why will the kiddy crowd drop like flies? They will likely do in DDO(if they come) what they do in other F2P games, ruin general chat and make offensive names. Maybe I didn't phrase that quite right. My point was because they look at d&d as a nerd thing, they are reluctant to pay for it. Free they might Try it. I think the Kiddy crowd will drop off because of the game {Not your run of the mill FTPMMO} I think D&DO has a Strong fan base and shoud be able to weed out the Kiddy Crowd. {Maybe it's wishfull thinking} I'm looking at this as a posative thing. There are negatives to Everything, I just don't wish to dwell on them, I like the game and want to see some new Blood. Free or not. I think the VIP Players will rule the roost I look at it as a way to get people to play in this Crappy economy
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6/12/09 1:53:17 PM#175
Of all the MMO's I played, I think DDO's failure has been the most suprising. My recollection of launch was that it had like 300K people. The limited release content drove some people away. The nerf cycle also carved away huge chunks of people. And the non-existent game updates also killed off a large segment of players. Had Turbine use a little more foresight, maybe they could have saved some of those subscriptions (most telling: Human Versitility giving a +5 to skill points was overpowered, but shroud items that gave a stackable +6 were just fine) Current estimates of the number of active subscriptions is like 40K in the North American Servers, although Sarlona appeared to have less than 1,000 people on each night in prime time. The game had such potential, too. The combat system is unique and addictive and with a good graphics card, the game is visually stunning. I suspect free to play won't work well in DDO because much of the challenge is limited resources in dungeons, and unlimited resources will kill the challenge. |
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6/12/09 1:57:07 PM#176
Originally posted by Giddian
I don't think DDO have that strong playerbase or they wouldn't have done like this. But it might work to get more players into the game. But I can't help to wonder if this have anything to do with Atari/Cryptics announcement about a Forgotten realms MMO. I am not a huge Cryptic fan but FRs world is better so DDO will get harder competition once it releases, and if DDO can hook more people before then it have a lot bigger chanse of surviving the competition. But I think this might actually be a good idea, most F2P games suck badly and DDO have a good chance of making itself large here. However they must also open up F2P for the rest of the world, making a game free in US and cost money elsewhere is not going to lead to something good, the rest of the customers will feel ripped off and the idea might then get opposite effect of intended. |
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6/12/09 2:04:33 PM#177
Originally posted by Wind-breaker
It peaked at around 90k or so actually , according to MMORPG charts........Shortly after launch it went down to about 50k....... I didnt see any numbers for 2009 but I'd guess they are below 25k at this point......... |
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6/12/09 2:12:57 PM#178
Originally posted by Loke666
I don't think DDO have that strong playerbase or they wouldn't have done like this.
I think you're both right. DDO has a strong fan base, but not a strong player base. A lot of people have tried the game, liked it, played for a few months, then moved on. I am not currently a subscriber, but I am a huge fan of the game. It really wouldn't take much for Turbine to convince me to buy more DDO. Mod 9 was enough, but a free option would potentially keep me in the game longer. Hopefully the free model will bring back some of the fans at the same time as bringing in new players. |
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6/12/09 3:57:45 PM#179
Originally posted by Aganazer
I think you're both right. DDO has a strong fan base, but not a strong player base. A lot of people have tried the game, liked it, played for a few months, then moved on. I am not currently a subscriber, but I am a huge fan of the game. It really wouldn't take much for Turbine to convince me to buy more DDO. Mod 9 was enough, but a free option would potentially keep me in the game longer. Hopefully the free model will bring back some of the fans at the same time as bringing in new players. Thank you. 100% my Point.
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6/12/09 6:29:39 PM#180
Originally posted by Wind-breaker
I do not think DDO ever had 300k subs even at launch. |
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