You're giving trolls a bad name Solareus, please stop.

I don't think we'll be talking about DX9, if DX10 was natively supported in XP. Unfortunately, due to Vista's low penetration the standard never took off. I assume that DX11 will be bundled with WIn7, so hopefully the new operating system will fare better than Vista, so we will finally see new generation graphics in everything besides FPS.

As far as MMOs go, I know of three games that have implemented DX10. LOTRO and EVE are successful in that implementation. Having seen both DX incarnations of these games, DX10 is definitely more visually pleasing. I haven't seen how AoC is doing with the DX10 client, somebody else needs to shed some light.

As far as Aion is concerned, the DX9 client I've played is extremely solid and fast and pleasing to the eye at the same time. I have no doubt that it would have been a lot more pleasing to the eye in its DX10 incarnation, but it doesn't necessarily counts as a weakness. LOTRO DX9 client in comparison looks very uninspiring. The only game that could rival Aion in its DX9 incarnation (in my opinion) is AoC, and last I played the client was nowhere near the same level of optimisation.

If 90% of the posters catch your real intentions, you fail.

Manual of the good forum troll, chapter 12.

It's obvious the OP has never worked with dx10, knows anything about technology cycles in relation to 3d CG, much less game programming in general, and thinks that just because they FINALLY upgraded their vid card, that the whole industry should cater to them so they can justify the $300 they just spent upgrading. There are no hand-painted cg games with dx10 out now, period. Probably not for another year at least. Sorry chump, nothing revolves around you.

We already know his intentions. It's a legitimate question nevertheless.

Can't show you screenshots of aion with dx10 but I can post a video for you show off dx9 :) www.youtube.com/watch

"Notice the amount of people"

Also, will there be a high resolution texture pack at release ?

Originally posted by solareus

Also, will there be a high resolution texture pack at release ?

I like how you skipped answering the DX10 Q/A Question seems kinda foolish now don't it.

Run along now Troll.

Originally posted by solareus

Wondering if anyone can post some direct X 10 screenshots ? Or some direct x 11 ?  Being a new title coming out, it would seem only natural for it to have dx 10 abitlities.  I personally won't even look at games that don't support dx 10...

I can for once back up AION on this issue.There are no games out right now offering anything great form DX10,as a matter of fact i would bet most are skipping right past DX10.The market is still stagnant at DX9,so devs are not going to apply a larger cost on development.

Even if a game utilized DX10,90% of the time,the average user would not notice the difference one bit.

Where graphics excel is in animations,how many .ani frames are used,how in depth the parts of the player models are,how detailed the textures are,shader use,objects in the world,witch is really the ONLY limitation from DX9>>DX10.Graphics can be made to look great going back to older DX7 for that matter.EQ2,heck UT99 that is almost 10 years ago ,utilized hi res textures and they looked noticeably great.You can make mulitple animations that overlap to bring out some great looking effects,and of course a hi tech game engine that has great looking particle effects is nice as well.

So although AION is using DX9,i think maybe even DX9b or c,they are not limited much in producing a great looking game,however weather or not they have done just that is a whole new topic to debate.

Originally posted by solareus

Sad that people expect so little for 50 dollars, that to me is part of the problem in the industry, to many people are so hungry for something new they don't care about the over all quality of the product or what features if any are of this current portion of technology time line.

Oh trust me i do not expect little from ANY developer ,i EXPECT a lot of effort.Effort is all that i ask,i do not care if it is DX5/6/7/8 or if the developer is big and rich i just want to see effort.If i hear a developer is bragging about how fast they can make a game using a bunch of generated stuff,i am not interested.That takes no effort at all,any joe and louie can pull that off.

If i think a game is just repeating the same old same old,why on earth would i decide to all of a sudden play that game?answer is i would not,i like unique ideas because that is part of the effort i am looking for,this is why i respect Square Enix so much,they put a lot of effort into their games.Saying that ,does not mean they are perfect as i criticized Square for its last two FFXI expansions,so just because i have a fave developer does not mean they are off the hook for effort ,i expect it all the time.I also do not like when a developer caters to one specific type of player,aside from the obvious witch is PVP or PVE type of players.

Do i think NCSOFT put a lot of effort into AION? no i don't but that is my opinion,i am sure others think they have.

i have to chime in on this, if the OP did his research he will of known that DX10 is faulty, badly optimized and not adquate for the needs of the current development cycle of this generation. it has been plagued with performance issues from the onset. Age of conan is a major example of how DX10 is hard to program for and optimize properly to an engine which is a good reason why they didnt have it at launch, and its only now a "test version". It has been stated by numerous game development houses that DX11 will be what DX10 should of been. not to mention DX10.1 was instituted to solve the numerous issues that plagued DX10 release.

I have played Aion Chinese beta and I was surprised by the beauty of the game utilizing Crytek 1 Engine utilizng DX9. I was also surprised at the ingenious creativity used in producing wonderful textures, and not focusing or relying on heavy shader use, this in fact allows a wider audience of players who have a wide variety of rigs to play this game which in turns allows more financial profitibility to NcSoft by doing so they have opened themselves up to a wide potential profitibility margin. Secondly they have produced a good game that doesnt rely completely on grinding out mobs to level up effectively, they have produced a game with a wide variety of quests, jobs, faction pvp, clan pvp etc, the game does this well and will prove to be a incentive to new playerbases. now do they truly innovate? yes and no, they dont exactly break the mold but they bring about particularly intersting game play features and does it well. I think in the end the OP has not done his research and isn't really saying anything to produce an intelligeble debate that brings to the table issues that effects us all. I am debating currently whether I want to play Aion at this point, but I am definitely intrigued and is definitely on my radar of possible purchases.

Dx10 is what your computer makes it to be, if your computer is running a 8400GT with 1 gig of system ram and a p4 single core processor, then you will obviously be crying about dx10 performance.

I like dx10, it makes my games pop and more vivid. even in dx 9 the games I've tried look amazing, then trying Aion , I was pretty baffled at how people consider this an "amazing graophical" game. It looked like Rohan online. The mobs where very bland and nothing popped. If they added or had dx10 , those things would of popped off the screen more, in my opinion.

I can see most of the people who are saying this game is "visually stunning" are WoW players, looking for something new and fresh, more power to you :)

Dx10 is what a deveoloper makes it be :) and for the people who say I ignore the questions of ealier posters, I must apologize, I have a life so I didn't get to read all the replies :D

How about the Hi res pack ? 

Originally posted by solareus

Dx10 is what your computer makes it to be, if your computer is running a 8400GT with 1 gig of system ram and a p4 single core processor, then you will obviously be crying about dx10 performance.

I like dx10, it makes my games pop and more vivid. even in dx 9 the games I've tried look amazing, then trying Aion , I was pretty baffled at how people consider this an "amazing graophical" game. It looked like Rohan online. The mobs where very bland and nothing popped. If they added or had dx10 , those things would of popped off the screen more, in my opinion.

I can see most of the people who are saying this game is "visually stunning" are WoW players, looking for something new and fresh, more power to you :)

Dx10 is what a deveoloper makes it be :) and for the people who say I ignore the questions of ealier posters, I must apologize, I have a life so I didn't get to read all the replies :D

 

How about the Hi res pack ? 

No, Dx10 is NOT what your pc makes it to be. It is a beast in and of itself. Those Dx9 games that you think "pop and look amazing", looked that way because of two things: you upgraded your inherint processing ability to FINALLY look at games on max settings, or 2. It is all in your head. You see what you want to see. I would err on the side of number 2.  The difference is the shaders, integrated physix, and processing ability to inch up the number of polys and texture map size. This is what gives you that "hi rez" feeling, between 9 and 10. If the game wasn't built for 10, then it won't have that.

In fact, the only games that do use dx10 to any marketable degree, are LotrO and AoC. Well, the only ones out for now that is. The common thing between both is they use photorealistic texturing for the dx10 parts. That is a bare minimum that they have in common. You can do amazing things with well made photo-real textures. Take for instance most movies you have seen. Much of the panarama shot is actually a bunch of hi rez photos that were manipulated to give that look. We call it Matte Painting. Now with that in mind, think of games like Aion, where the scenery is hand painted. WAR, WOW, PWI, COX, EVE, all these games are largely hand painted. You simply would have to go and retexture EVERYTHING to be able to use dx10 for any noticable difference, because of the inherant shaders used to make the textures. What you inevitably end up with is some really nasty artwork, because suddenly the poly count of the actual models show through, with "photoreal textures" that were once hand-painted. So then you have to go back and remodel things. EVE is the only one to do this, and they only did it for ships, not space. There is also something called "occlusion", with Dx10, which is a whole other paragraph. See where I am going with this? If you want Dx10, it has to be designed that way from the ground up. Most people either being really creative with Dx9 (Aion, TOR, CO, etc) or designing with Dx11 in mind. Guess what, you and most others, do not yet have Dx11 in it's final form. So don't worry about not seeing gameplay footage showing that.

Besides, I thought, based on your post history, it was "all about gameplay and not shiney graphics"?

Game and performance play is playing second hand fiddle to my new rig since it can play "everything."  Another thing about the game play, with game play as repetitive as Aion , I would truely need something that looks better then Lineage 2  to grind on, I will say by 6months out of release, people will be finding the graphics on par as WoW, just better character customization and character models..

For me , I like to be immersed in a world that will naturally immerse you into your role in the game, but I found Aion world lack luster without any help from high rez graphics to actually get me excited to enjoy my character.

Again , I am glad people love the game, I think we all should try a game in the genre of grindcore once. Have fun all !

Solareus, what exactly about Aion has you so upset that you feel the need to constantly be here complaining? If the game is as rubbish as you believe it will fall over all on it's own.

I personally don't enjoy LOTRO, it's a beautiful game, but something about it just doesn't grab me, I'm certainly not going to waste my time crying about it or whining to all and sundry that it sucks because it doesn't have something in it I like.

Behaving like a jilted lover over a game isn't very dignifying.

Amazing how a simple question about a game feature is something that gets people in a tizzy :). Simple as simple was, I think most folk put to much in trying and read between the lines :D.

Still would like to know if there is a higher resolution texture pack ?

No idea about the texture pack. It looked good on my PC. Perhaps it dynamically pick the best for your rig, something not unheard of.

And it's the intention behind the questions, not the questions themselves that stir people the wrong way. In my opinion the questions are legitimate, but the motive behind them is not a decent one. Its the same way with shills. Their posts could be truthful, but due to their motives they are not well taken.

Originally posted by solareus

Amazing how a simple question about a game feature is something that gets people in a tizzy :). Simple as simple was, I think most folk put to much in trying and read between the lines :D.

 

Still would like to know if there is a higher resolution texture pack ?

its fine without it if it does not, besides it's a massive pvp game so who (besides you) really needs higher resolution textures if your gonna take a hit in FPS.

Originally posted by solareus

Wondering if anyone can post some direct X 10 screenshots ? Or some direct x 11 ?  Being a new title coming out, it would seem only natural for it to have dx 10 abitlities.  I personally won't even look at games that don't support dx 10...

YES BECAUSE GAMES WITH DIRECT X 10 (VERY FEW BTW) ARE SUPER AH-MAZING GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN 

LIKE, LOOK AT AOC, THAT GAME WAS SOOOOOOO GUUUUUUUUD, THE DIREXT X 10 MADE ME POO A LITTLE =(

DON'T FORGET THE PART WHERE ONLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO PAY 2K FOR A GAMING COMPUTER.

Sorry, this is the real-world, companies are here to make money and the quickest way to make money is to get lots of people to play the game. Not a couple of people who can afford to dump 2k for a computer. My computer isn't great, but it's good enough to run Aion with a constant 60-70FPS and around 40-50FPS in the city.

Just look at the graphics, compare it with games like World of warcraft, EQ, DAoC, Warhammer, or even AOC. The graphics are good, wihtout dx 10.

P.S All I ever see you do is troll the AIon forums, I know you don't like the game, that's fine everyone is entitled to their opinions. Yet, you constantly come on these forums, put up stupid and rather poor attempts to make people dislike the game " personally won't even look at games that don't support dx 10..." - yea ok.... No one is telling you to play the game, or forcing you to like the game, but alteast dont' try to ruin the game for others even though the game is perfectly fine.

"No dx 10, so I won't play blah blah blah" - lol, this makes me laugh

*Edit: If you want super UBER super special or realistic graphics...go outside. The more you troll, the more you put Aion on the front page, the more people read it, the more they realize you're a little loose in the head and fail at trolling, then they realize that Aion is a great game and play it. Good job =D!

Originally posted by solareus

Amazing how a simple question about a game feature is something that gets people in a tizzy :). Simple as simple was, I think most folk put to much in trying and read between the lines :D.

 

Still would like to know if there is a higher resolution texture pack ?

i saw chinese abyss videos like 500 vs 500 battle
we are happy with graphics. troll

you only want realistic graphics i see and go play lotro aoc etc leave here idiot