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I am very concerned about this from the E3 Q&A: Q: What influence have games like World of WarCraft have on the development of FFXIV? From my persective FFXI was very rewarding because it was not dumbed down. So I guess I am asking:
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Originally posted by neKrow
in other reviews they said they will make content for people who only want to play 40 min a day or play all day and to be honest, i think your readin to much into it. you should have some faith in SE, they are one of the few mmorpg who listen to there community Playing: |
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Personally I'd like the idea of being about to jump in an out of the game quickly. As FFXI is right now you honestly can't jump on for a half hour if that is all you have time for (and I think they can lose player base with that fact). Truly you need 2-3 hours minimum you can sit down and play FFXI for a full filling experience. I also hate the fact that you need to be married to the game in order to play endgame. There have been linkshell I have been kicked out of because I wasn't camping a king at noon or at 4 am. Not very cool when you consider I work. |
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andmiller
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Joined: 6/10/06
dr34d0g taught me everything I know. Don't make me "show a fighting move".... |
Originally posted by neKrow
Whether it is wanted or not, it sounds like they will be aiming for it. They are specifically saying they are...... |
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Originally posted by neKrow
I just don't comprehend since when WoW was viewed as a "casual players'" game.
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Originally posted by neKrow
I like how they said "aim A BIT for the casual user.", all of the wannabe "hardcore" gamers have to overreact and immediately start with the whining and crying. You'd think they'd be "hardcore" enough to hold back on the tears a bit, wouldn't you? The fact is, the majority of us have lives, and we can't sit down and dedicate 4 hours a night to a stupid game. |
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hmm couldnt find how u delete a whole post. |
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Originally posted by AshGUTZ
I just don't comprehend since when WoW was viewed as a "casual players'" game.
Since you can log in and do your thing for 30 min and log out, giving nothing to the world of the game as a whole. I dont see how you think WoW is not a game for the cassual player. Does it have content for hardcore players? Well it depends what u call Hardcore. It does have end game but not nearly as hardcore as FFXI. |
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Originally posted by neKrow
Making another F11 would not help them in pursuit of that goal, and it would only serve to please FF11 fans. So it probably will be "dumbed down", whatever that exactly entails in your book, seeing as you don't say. As for that answer, pretty sure most WoW clones said the same thing, "we won't be the same, we will be different in XYZ ways". |
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Originally posted by Stuckov
Since you can log in and do your thing for 30 min and log out, giving nothing to the world of the game as a whole. I dont see how you think WoW is not a game for the cassual player. Does it have content for hardcore players? Well it depends what u call Hardcore. It does have end game but not nearly as hardcore as FFXI. I guess you'd have to be "hardcore" to put up with time consuming end game like in FF11. Besides, most end game fights boil down to zerg, tank and spank, or kite in FF11...what a challenge those are. You know there was statistic, only 8% of the entire playerbase of WoW had done Black Temple back during Burning Crusade, so there must be something "hardcore" about it. |
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Originally posted by SgtFrog
I think (hope) I may be reading to much into it also. But I want to know now. And voice my opinion now. now now now!, lol. I just dont want to spend 1 to 2 years getting hyped over a game that doesnt meet my expectations. If its not going to be as challenging as FFXI then I just want to go quietly on my way, now. But I really really hope that it is.
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Originally posted by andmiller
Very true, but it does say "a bit". I am just hoping that "a bit" means an average of 50-75 days to max level. Not 7 days.
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Originally posted by AshGUTZ
I just don't comprehend since when WoW was viewed as a "casual players'" game.
Well the quote makes it sound like SE instantly equated it with casual. Are they wrong?
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I just wrote about this in my latest blog entry, and I am getting flamed there for it. I think the beauty of FFXI was the challenge of the game. It did not treat you with kid gloves the same way WoW does. A high level accomplished character in FFXI was always a good player at his class, and most of the bad players didn't make it past the dunes, let alone Maat. In WoW it was so easy to level up that even a moron was able to reach the higher tiers of the game. By the same token, it wouldn't make much sense for them to make another MMO that would directly compete against FFXI. This makes me think they will be going more for the WoW crowd. I think Mythic saw that releasing 2 MMOs that have the same exact target audience does not make for good financial sense. MMORPG.com Spotlight Blog Writer (225,000+ Views)
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Originally posted by Riesig09
Making another F11 would not help them in pursuit of that goal, and it would only serve to please FF11 fans. So it probably will be "dumbed down", whatever that exactly entails in your book, seeing as you don't say. As for that answer, pretty sure most WoW clones said the same thing, "we won't be the same, we will be different in XYZ ways".
Good point. I didnt want to inject too much into the poll post. I just wanted people to have a chance to answer the question based on exactly what was said. Dumbed down to me means lots of things. Its basically making anything easier. The main thing I usually look at is time to max level, just for a quick reference on how rewarding a game will be for me. I am hoping that they are creative enough to capture a wider audience without taking too much challenge away from the game.
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No more dumbing down, makes for boring games. |
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I'll keep this to the point :D Challenge does not equal time sink. Accessibility does not equal dumbed down. Pointless time sinks are a thing of the past, EQ and Ryzom are that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not because something is accessible that you are forced to use those options, like teleports. We still don't have a clear idea of the character progression system we know it's not level based. So I think it may be a good idea to forget what we know about FFXI and WoW in terms of leveling and just wait and see. You say you don't want to waste your time being hyped for a game for a year or 2, I'm sorry but that's not a guarantee you ever get when you wait for a game's release. It's always a bet and right now we just don't have enough info to give concrete answers. It's your choice if you want to hang out until we know more or go do something else for a while. :P (,,,)=^__^=(,,,)  |
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It will definately be dump down, however how it affects the whole game remains to be seen...
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I am going to say yes, because when I played FFXI (it was during high school) I had all the free time in the world to sit there for hours. Its not like that anymore. I have a job, university, etc etc. So, I would like to be able to log on during the day (when there are no big events planned) and be able to get at least a little bit done. Of course, I would like some elements to take a decent amount of time, which is why they could be planned in advance. This is the sole reason I'm playing WoW right now over FFXI. I'd be playing FFXI if I could, though. Dammit life, always getting in the way. -Computer specs no one cares about: check. -MMOs played no one cares about: check. -Xfire stats no one cares about: check. -Signature no one cares about: check. ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Even though the it doesnt matter at this point since the game is almost done, but i dont want it to be the main focus. Im sure the casual gamer isnt the main focus of this game either, but it might be a big chunk still, and im ok with that. |
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Originally posted by gtwhalley
Bingo, you can sink your entire life into WoW if you CHOOSE to, but you don't have to and most people don't. I've heard end game or some of it has been made easier and honestly that's a shame but back in the day raiding and anything end game was a challenge or at least had to be done enough times that it became a big commitment. FF14 will give you the option of being casual or hardcore. And trusting SE they are going to do it way better then Blizzard. That's my bet. :P They have mechanics planned for this game we still haven't seen before apparently so using the term 'dumbed down' imo is premature. (,,,)=^__^=(,,,) |
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Brialyn
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Joined: 5/20/08
"If I may lend a machete to your intellectual thicket..." |
Originally posted by Cynthe QFT! Personally SE with FFXI made a game that took the essence of an MMO (back when it came out) and made it better and different. Why couldn't they do the same now? Yes the essence of an MMO has changed but if they did it once they can do it again. Of any company out there SE has shown the capacity to listen to their players and weed out the useless whining dribble which makes for exellent changes in game. I've played WoW for many years now and unfortunately they seem to give in to the whiners a lot and it has hurt their game in the eyes of many people who have played since before the expansion packs (not all, but a good many). Pointless time sinks are not fun and MOST are not challenge...a lot of them turn into a question of how much patience do you have to do something that can be painful at times. Its a game and supposed to be fun. WoW may be viewed as dumbed down with it's huge exclamation points and question marks, but how many FFXI people went to the websites out there for info on the quest givers? Im not really saying one is better than the other, I did enjoy FFXI questing more than WoW's, I liked having to figure it out just by talking to NPC's. We don't know enough about this game yet to say anything. Going on SE's previous experience I doubt it will be like WoW but we will have to wait and see :)
*Edited for spelling...though there may be a few in there still, sorry! Currently Playing: FFXI |
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Hard to say because FFXI was so unique from the rest of the mmos out there and that is part of the reason why FFXI was so good because it was a " good different " . |
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Originally posted by Brialyn
It's like they have a huge leaf rake except it's for money and all they care about now it's raking it in.... :( Maybe I'm being harsh but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and I think WoW is very solid and good game but there's no doubt it could be better! (,,,)=^__^=(,,,) |
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The same way that WoW does? No, since WoW casual design is played by all and mastered by those with excess free time on their hands. In a better way? Yes, hopefully they will make a game that is playable by all and mastered by those with dedication (not just those with more free time). Take UO even back before power hour and all the skill gains been sped up. ANYONE could play it, but only those that were dedicated to playing taking months to years to completely their character could master it. You hardcore nuts don't seam to understand dedication. You only seam to understand wasting excess amounts of time and calling it hardcore. |
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