Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

...and the reason for this rant is all due in part to the PS2....now lets all hope that $ony's future proof PS3 is up to the task and will last the 10+ years they say it will....hehe

FFXI textures are epic.. till this day i love how SE did the textures on ffxi..

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Originally posted by oskironmaide
FFXI textures are epic.. till this day i love how SE did the textures on ffxi..

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/agree

Final Fantasy 4..?

Also. Usually if a game is enjoyable, people wont mind the character customization as much.

Originally posted by Nedax

Final Fantasy 4..?

Also. Usually if a game is enjoyable, people wont mind the character customization as much.

Aesthetics should definitely take the back seat to actual game play and mechanics.

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

The whole first paragraph can be answered with this, the style of art that Final Fantasy and any other "anime-theme" revolves itself around is the idea of perfection. Perfect large eyes with two perfectly place glints of light, perfect busts, perfect jaw lines, perfect triangle shape layered "chopped" hair, and those thin lips you can't resist. There is no way that ANY games in this genre are going to stretch past that limit because then they would be in ANOTHER genre of art style. Maybe I'm not responding to your concern correctly due to my own idiocy but it seems like you're complaining about the traditional "Oh pretty anime people" style wether the textures used to display it or the actual characteristics.

Maybe if you kept track of the updates that have been implemented into FF11 you'd understand why so many previous fans that they scared off (Myself included) are even semi-excited about this game. The fact is SE has been taking huge steps to take in what customers are suggesting, for once, and no matter what changes they make to FF11 it won't ever completely pull it out of where the past few years of rooted it. Instead, people like me who have seen the changes made are giving Square the benefit of the doubt hoping that they're serious about taking all the suggestions from FF11, implementing these changes into FF14, and then giving us the game everyone hoped for the first time.

Heck, Atlantica (which is a free game) does a better job of a FF Online representation than FF11 ever did.

FFXI was IMO the worst excuse for an MMO ever made.

Not only did they cut corners on character and armor skins, but enemy models as well. I literally fought different colored rabbits and goblins for like 20+ levels before I'd had enough and quit.

Add to that the fact that the game is a snooze fest of just grinding rabbits for hours and hours and hours and hours, and rabbits who might I add take whole groups to kill sometimes. I mean seriously....rabbits?

Not even big rabbits with claws and shit, just rabbits with long ears and tiny arms.

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

Aion has the most customization of any MMORPG out right now and it is an Asian game, that proves you wrong already.

FFXI is a very old game, that's why the customization is not great, it was a nice game for its time overall and the only game to have success with running an mmorpg on console/PC at once for many years now.

Most Free to play games have limited customization, that is what you must be talking about, as most are Asian. What do you expect for free?

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by oskironmaide
FFXI textures are epic.. till this day i love how SE did the textures on ffxi..

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/agree

The way they used textures was brilliant in FFXI....proof of this are the trees. You will never realize this looking at them head on that they are all only made up of 4 sides. A lot of things in game are simple shapes made to look fantastic by extreamly good textures.

Highly looking forward to FFXIV = )

Originally posted by Khrymson

...and the reason for this rant is all due in part to the PS2....now lets all hope that $ony's future proof PS3 is up to the task and will last the 10+ years they say it will....hehe

LOL 10+ years IDK I read this other forum where this guy said that FF13 is almost pushing the limits to the PS3....... But they will have to come out with one before that because Micro$oft will most likely come out with a new system before that time and im guessing it will be more powerful than the PS3.

But to the OP, for some reason it never really bothered me in FFXI to look like someone. I really hated it in WAR though which is strange.  But I guess we'll wait and see how character customization is when we get more info.

Given what a pile of tosh FF XI was i have high hopes for this one,i just hope i dont get let down by it.

This thread is a lolz thread... funny because when ff14 comes out all u suckers are gonna be playing it. :P

Originally posted by Bellarion

This thread is a lolz thread... funny because when ff14 comes out all u suckers are gonna be playing it. :P

No way, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.....YOU CAN'T FOOL ME TWICE

I DON'T GIVE A FART, I WANT MY FFXI-2.

i will say yes it is the same hype but also new hype from the lessons learned from ffxi, people want to see if they will be more charecter customization, guilds (and not linkshells but actual guids) pvp, how will your blackmage be diffrent from other black mages etc stuff like that, we want answered.

its going to be fantastic... like crack on speed.

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

 

Aion has the most customization of any MMORPG out right now and it is an Asian game, that proves you wrong already.

FFXI is a very old game, that's why the customization is not great, it was a nice game for its time overall and the only game to have success with running an mmorpg on console/PC at once for many years now.

Most Free to play games have limited customization, that is what you must be talking about, as most are Asian. What do you expect for free?

 

 

Ever heard of Perfect World? Just throwing some enlightenment out there. Considering it completely wrecks any customization for any other "asian mmo".

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

 

Aion has the most customization of any MMORPG out right now and it is an Asian game, that proves you wrong already.

FFXI is a very old game, that's why the customization is not great, it was a nice game for its time overall and the only game to have success with running an mmorpg on console/PC at once for many years now.

Most Free to play games have limited customization, that is what you must be talking about, as most are Asian. What do you expect for free?

 

 

Sorry but strike one, I was referring to the majority of asian style mmog's. Referring to Aion, only one out of a ton of that type does not make me wrong. FF XI is not an old game, it came out in the middle of the mmo rush of games and they had plenty of other mmo's to take example of customization so strike two. L2, FF XI, Atlantica, Shaiya, Rappelz, etc. have the same type of asian style and aren't F2P, strike three, feel free to try again. Btw, there is a differenc ebetween micro and F2P.

Originally posted by Czanrei

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

 

Aion has the most customization of any MMORPG out right now and it is an Asian game, that proves you wrong already.

FFXI is a very old game, that's why the customization is not great, it was a nice game for its time overall and the only game to have success with running an mmorpg on console/PC at once for many years now.

Most Free to play games have limited customization, that is what you must be talking about, as most are Asian. What do you expect for free?

 

 

 

Sorry but strike one, I was referring to the majority of asian style mmog's. Referring to Aion, only one out of a ton of that type does not make me wrong. FF XI is not an old game, it came out in the middle of the mmo rush of games and they had plenty of other mmo's to take example of customization so strike two. L2, FF XI, Atlantica, Shaiya, Rappelz, etc. have the same type of asian style and aren't F2P, strike three, feel free to try again. Btw, there is a differenc ebetween micro and F2P.

An 8 year old game is not an old game? It's only 2 years younger then the original Everquest, it's old. World of Warcraft is on it's 5th year, the old girl is also getting long in the tooth. Video games do not last for 20 years. MMOs so far the longest lived is 10 years and I'm not sure it's because it's doing well or Sony just won't unplug life support..

Free to Play and microtransactions are basically the same thing around here. To us it means it's free to download and has no stat monthly fee hence making it F2P, even these games market themselves as such.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the original FF online however the new one won't be the same. It's pretty clear from the E3 and post E3 interviews. Also did you play FF games before FF10? Because grind was a stapple of Square Enix. FF8 was my first and I was floored how much grind there was, but I didn't care because it was an awesome game. The same magic is with FFXI, unfortunately there's no pause button or save crystal making it hard to play as a casual gamer.

FFXI's graphics were exceptional for it's time, you're a gamer you should be aware what 3 years does to games visually, they jump from "wow that's great" to "omfg I'm gonna die it's soooo pretty!" in no time.

Originally posted by Burnthebed

FFXI was IMO the worst excuse for an MMO ever made.

Not only did they cut corners on character and armor skins, but enemy models as well. I literally fought different colored rabbits and goblins for like 20+ levels before I'd had enough and quit.

Add to that the fact that the game is a snooze fest of just grinding rabbits for hours and hours and hours and hours, and rabbits who might I add take whole groups to kill sometimes. I mean seriously....rabbits?

 

Not even big rabbits with claws and shit, just rabbits with long ears and tiny arms.

So, I have to ask.  What mmo doesn't reuse the same enemies?  WoW does, so does Lotro, and Warhammer, and guild wars.  Also, the character and boss models in FFXI still stand toe to toe with any mmo out there.  They had a solid grasp on making rounded edges with a mininal amount of polygons that no other mmo has done yet.  They also have some pretty damn good textures, considering it's a ps2 game.  The environments, on the other hand, took a backseat because of the attention to detail the characters and enemies recieved.  I challenge you to name one mmo that came out after ffxi, that has better character models, and a greater diversity of creatures.

Originally posted by Burnthebed

FFXI was IMO the worst excuse for an MMO ever made.

Not only did they cut corners on character and armor skins, but enemy models as well. I literally fought different colored rabbits and goblins for like 20+ levels before I'd had enough and quit.

Add to that the fact that the game is a snooze fest of just grinding rabbits for hours and hours and hours and hours, and rabbits who might I add take whole groups to kill sometimes. I mean seriously....rabbits?

 

Not even big rabbits with claws and shit, just rabbits with long ears and tiny arms.

I just love hyperbole. Don't you?

You -literally- fought different colored rabbits and goblins for 20+ levels? You grinded on rabbits for hours and hours and hours? Literally? Really? You sure you're not exaggerating even *just a little* here?

Interesting. For my first 20 levels, I fought rabbits and mandragora and goblins and bees and Yagudo and Dhalmels and skeletons and  hounds and saplings and worms and pugils and crabs and birds and crawlers. And that was on the first job I ever leveled.

Not sure what you were doing, but maybe you should have tried fighting something *except* rabbits and goblins, 'cause it sounds to me like your "lack of variety" was self-imposed.

As for the "shortcuts" on armor? Did you play back at the very beginning of the game when, perhaps there weren't so many pieces? 'cause if you played it any time in the last 4 years, then that statement is just nonsense as well. There's more gear in that game now than I think I could ever get around to using; and much of it looks quite different.

 

I don't give a crap about Character Customization it's the last thing I want in any MMO. I want a MMO I will have fun in and to b***h about something simple like that all I have to say is LOL.

Originally posted by Lexin

I don't give a crap about Character Customization it's the last thing I want in any MMO. I want a MMO I will have fun in and to b***h about something simple like that all I have to say is LOL.

Either way  I don't doubt for one second FF14's character customisation will be improved on 11.

Originally posted by AshGUTZ

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Czanrei

Personally I am a fan of FF on the console, but what I am not a fan of is cheap knockoffs online. I originally tried FF XI right after launch and through the first expansions. The problem I don't like about asian mmog's like FF XI is the type of skin texture they use where every other player looks like their twin because of the limited customization. Limited customization both in character design and styles of armor/weapons. Yes, the graphics look beautiful and polished but  they cut corners on the character designs and use full body skin textures instead of layered polygonal designs like most western style mmog's.

Of course I hope the new sequel to FF XI will prove me wrong but I have yet to see an asian style mmog that does any different with their character textures. It all comes down to alot of nice eye candy with no customization. Not to mention it will probably end up like the grind fest FF XI is. SE claims questing won't be forced grouping like in FF XI either but time will tell. Until they show otherwise, FF IV will probably get over-hyped just like FF XI did before it launched.

 

Aion has the most customization of any MMORPG out right now and it is an Asian game, that proves you wrong already.

FFXI is a very old game, that's why the customization is not great, it was a nice game for its time overall and the only game to have success with running an mmorpg on console/PC at once for many years now.

Most Free to play games have limited customization, that is what you must be talking about, as most are Asian. What do you expect for free?

 

 

 

Ever heard of Perfect World? Just throwing some enlightenment out there. Considering it completely wrecks any customization for any other "asian mmo".

Aion has more customization than even Perfect World. I playerd both, Aion lets you make your character look just like famous actors, characters from other games, etc. You can look howveer you want, check it: http://news.mmosite.com/content/2008-11-16/20081116192507067,1.shtml

Both are Asian games though, so goes to show you, Asian games do have great customization. The ones that the other guy tried like rappelz are pure trash games, so he is using those crap games as examples.

Do you realize how many Japanese/Chinese/Korean MOs there are that Americans never ghot to try? Many have great customization, but mnever got ported over here yet.

Most of those Free To Play games we get are ports of Asian games from 5 years ago or more. Don't use those to compare to brand new games.

WOW sucks at customization, so does WAR and most American games compared to the 2 games I mentioned above. I think FFXIV will be one of the best MMOs out when released, if you don't then just don't pay attention to this thread or the game, go look up another game you are more excited about.