For me Eve provides a level of complexity and challange that simply dose not exist in other games. I think that is why it continues to grow steadily, it just takes a certain kind of person to play Eve long term. It helps that the complexity of Eve branches into two areas instead of just one- making heaps of isk and second ruthlessly killing each other.

As for walking in stations it will remain a side segment of the game not heavily utilized until it is manipulated to facilitate one of the previously mentioned areas of the game. It will be much more interesting, complex and challenging when you and your gang can hang outside a door choke point waiting for someone to come walking through. At which time the smallest fastest member of your gang will throw himself at the person with reckless abandon hoping to get tackle and web on him. While that happens another member will spray the toon in the face with pepper spray so he cant target anyone. After that everyone else will jump on him with knives, stabbing the poor carebear repeatedly until they melt him and he dies. Then they will strip him of everything they can sell for isk including various organs and then run like crazy before Concord arrives or another gang lands on them. Ah...walking in stations Eve style...PvP and isk all rolled into one!

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 If your reply here doesn't make the point of 'elitism' then no link or words will.  Seriously, you are going to argue that no EVE fans ever post in other forums saying why they think EVE is better or just saying they think another game is lame?  That is insane.

 

If you can't figure out self-deprecating humor when you see it.. dunno what more I can do to help you out.

Oh come on - you didn't say that in jest you where arguing that EVE players don't do that kind of thing.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 If your reply here doesn't make the point of 'elitism' then no link or words will.  Seriously, you are going to argue that no EVE fans ever post in other forums saying why they think EVE is better or just saying they think another game is lame?  That is insane.

 

If you can't figure out self-deprecating humor when you see it.. dunno what more I can do to help you out.

LOL I got it strait from the start  Comparing EVE to Chess is just an insult to Chess. EVE is a frakin MMO meant for blowing things and drinkin beer IMHO. Not weak but not impressive try at a straw dog I would say. Probably would have worked in the WOW forums.

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
I didn't like Eve mainly because I found it to be boring.  It had absolutely nothing to do with the level of difficulty.  I just didn't find anything compelling to do within a month of playing.  I did have a list of other things I didn't enjoy, like point and click movement, real-time skill training, lame PvE missions, in game currency sales, harsh death penalty and the near absolute focus on shopping.  I could have overlooked most of those if I was having any fun playing.  I never found the game to be difficult to understand or control.
Posting these criticisms here got me a flood of responses saying that I wasn't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy the game.  It's the standard response to any criticism of the game.  it's usually accompanied by Eve fanboys telling people that their opinions are "wrong".  That is what compels me to post on these forums.  You keep implying that there has to be some sort of sinister motive to my posts, some grudge against Eve... I'll say it again.  While I don't enjoy Eve, that is neither here nor there... I absolutely can't stand the absurd attitude of elitism that compels Eve fanboys to say that other peoples opinions and preferences are "wrong" and that they just aren't smart enough to appreciate the game. 
 

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It is fair to say you don't like the game, but for god's sake do not 'analyze' the game because your conclusions are rightfully wrong due your lack of knowledge.

It's fair to say you don't like the slow paced combat and you prefer more personal endeavour to affect the fight.
It's fair to say you feel more rewarded when spending countles hours killing same mobs again and again instead of real-time skilling.
It's fair to say you dislike any death penalty because it's too frustrating for you.

All this is fine but don't say EVE is this or that because you simply don't know...

EVE is what EVE is, a real time action game it is certainly not.  Enough with the stuff about how 'you just don't get it' type comments.  EVE is not hard to 'get' even if for some not into the empire building and ship administration stuff it might be hard to take.  People like what people like but there is nothing more or less valid in those preferences.

What I am getting at is this, you do not need to be an expert on something to nkow whether you like it or not and even without expertise people can express a valid criticism of EVE when they are articulating their play preference and experience with the game.

 did you listen to theirt video(ccp)

i mean on a freaking pliable table looked like they just go out of thresearch room after 8 years ,why for a new technology they want to put in the game kudo to those guys think this is an old gam to retrofit new techno on their open world galaxie is probably a major hurdle

and it keep getting better its a niche yes,but its so evolved.yes they got bugs ,but check the king of p2p  they still put big update 

last major(wotlk,they uped graphic quality not long ago charachter in wotlk get high def.

its the same for eve lot of those guys are gamer too .

the way i saw their presentation  i wasnt impressed ,what they showed on screen o my god nice toy

that company as one big flaw 

payment method 

i go to eb game the game is there cool ill try it ,the clerk say we dont have the pre-paid card anymore .

spparently ccp produced them for a month then stopped so now ebgame where i live got freaking nice and inviting game but no

pre-paid wtf

if those guys had pre-paid all the time in ebgame dam this game would be 2 3 time more popular.same happened the last time ccp put their game on the ebgame shelf

its like they re afraid to have too many costumer

ccp if you read this ,60 days pre-paid at ebgame etc its needed lol

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
I didn't like Eve mainly because I found it to be boring.  It had absolutely nothing to do with the level of difficulty.  I just didn't find anything compelling to do within a month of playing.  I did have a list of other things I didn't enjoy, like point and click movement, real-time skill training, lame PvE missions, in game currency sales, harsh death penalty and the near absolute focus on shopping.  I could have overlooked most of those if I was having any fun playing.  I never found the game to be difficult to understand or control.
Posting these criticisms here got me a flood of responses saying that I wasn't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy the game.  It's the standard response to any criticism of the game.  it's usually accompanied by Eve fanboys telling people that their opinions are "wrong".  That is what compels me to post on these forums.  You keep implying that there has to be some sort of sinister motive to my posts, some grudge against Eve... I'll say it again.  While I don't enjoy Eve, that is neither here nor there... I absolutely can't stand the absurd attitude of elitism that compels Eve fanboys to say that other peoples opinions and preferences are "wrong" and that they just aren't smart enough to appreciate the game. 
 

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Sal, in all honesty and no offence intended, the reason why you come here to bash on EVE is your ignorance about the game. You proved many times that you do not know how certain things work - should I remind you your T2 rig rant? - and you make conclusions based on your invalid assumptions.

 

It is fair to say you don't like the game, but for god's sake do not 'analyze' the game because your conclusions are rightfully wrong due your lack of knowledge.

It's fair to say you don't like the slow paced combat and you prefer more personal endeavour to affect the fight.
It's fair to say you feel more rewarded when spending countles hours killing same mobs again and again instead of real-time skilling.
It's fair to say you dislike any death penalty because it's too frustrating for you.

All this is fine but don't say EVE is this or that because you simply don't know...

Gdemami,
 

See what I highlighted in red from Sal's post. You just proved it.

Sal was giving an opinion. Notice how he uses phrases such as "I found the game boring", "I didn't find anything compelling". Perfectly valid opinions. He didn't say the game was boring or not compelling. He said HE percieved it that way.

And how do you respond? By wording your opinions as fact and making value judgements about him. For example.

It's fair to say you don't like the slow paced combat and you prefer more personal endeavour to affect the fight.

Really? And how do you know this? I don't see anything like this in his post. You are making an assumption about someone you don't even know.

It's fair to say you feel more rewarded when spending countles hours killing same mobs again and again instead of real-time skilling.

Again, the same thing. Another assumption.

It's fair to say you dislike any death penalty because it's too frustrating for you.

See a pattern?

I can't speak for the other folks that are fed up with the EVE community, but this is THE very reason why I see many EVE players as elitest and hate how they treat others with disrespect whenever they don't happen to agree. And because of it, I have stopped playing the game.

I think it is ironic that while people get flamed in this thread for saying it is thier opinion that EVE is a bit boring there is another thread here with fans of the game describing the many times they have fallen asleep while playing only to wake up to a floting pod in space.

EVE does what EVE does very well - clearly it is not for everyone but just because it is not for someone doesn't mean they are too stupid to get it, to attention deficit inflicted to appreciate it, or suckling on Blizzard's tit.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

I think it is ironic that while people get flamed in this thread for saying it is thier opinion that EVE is a bit boring there is another thread here with fans of the game describing the many times they have fallen asleep while playing only to wake up to a floting pod in space.

To be fair, that can be read as the game is so fun for those people that they are motivated to play for much longer then they should. No matter how engaging the game may be fatigue will still set in eventually even if you think you can manage "just one more trip".

But, that is purely devil's advocate. I currently enjoy the game and don't find it boring, however I can certainly see where others would get bored. No matter what, no game can entertain everyone and, to add to that, the longer you've played a game, the higher risk you are to grow tired of it. Sure, there are people who have been playing since launch and more power to them, but I think we are past the point, in society, where multi-year attention spans are a common thing :P

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 If your reply here doesn't make the point of 'elitism' then no link or words will.  Seriously, you are going to argue that no EVE fans ever post in other forums saying why they think EVE is better or just saying they think another game is lame?  That is insane.

 

If you can't figure out self-deprecating humor when you see it.. dunno what more I can do to help you out.

 

Oh come on - you didn't say that in jest you where arguing that EVE players don't do that kind of thing.

Jesus.. CHESS and WHACK-A-MOLE???

How far over the top do I have to go for you to get the joke?

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Originally posted by cfurlin
Gdemami,
 
See what I highlighted in red from Sal's post. You just proved it.
Sal was giving an opinion. Notice how he uses phrases such as "I found the game boring", "I didn't find anything compelling". Perfectly valid opinions. He didn't say the game was boring or not compelling. He said HE percieved it that way.
And how do you respond? By wording your opinions as fact and making value judgements about him. For example.
It's fair to say you don't like the slow paced combat and you prefer more personal endeavour to affect the fight.
Really? And how do you know this? I don't see anything like this in his post. You are making an assumption about someone you don't even know.
It's fair to say you feel more rewarded when spending countles hours killing same mobs again and again instead of real-time skilling.
Again, the same thing. Another assumption.
It's fair to say you dislike any death penalty because it's too frustrating for you.
See a pattern?
I can't speak for the other folks that are fed up with the EVE community, but this is THE very reason why I see many EVE players as elitest and hate how they treat others with disrespect whenever they don't happen to agree. And because of it, I have stopped playing the game.
 

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I simply expanded his thoughts about the game he mentions

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
I did have a list of other things I didn't enjoy, like point and click movement, real-time skill training, lame PvE missions, in game currency sales, harsh death penalty and the near absolute focus on shopping.

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Originally posted by Zlayer77

I have one last thing to say those of you in here that play EvE, give yourself a pat on the Back you are the ELIT!

There are those mmo players who excel beyone thier peers, and then there are these who excel all mmoers, being paragons of what a mmo player migh hope to achieve, AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE THAT PLAY EVE, these players who fate deemed worthy to stand above all others....and all hate and envy that are cast at us will only make our Legend become stronger!

EvE is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, 
EVE is Wisdom to the mighty, EVE is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be EVEs footstool, and the soul of Time her slave,
Our Game is marching on.
 

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! 
EvEs truth is marching on.

to Quote myself a few pages back I put an end to this thread now all you haters of EvE: Cant you understand that it dosent mather what you say.. The Power of EvE cant be stoped, not by you or anyone ells. The game is just to good!

In the Year 2020 people will still be playing EVE