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Originally posted by Xasapis

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Originally posted by joejccva

Wait so people want alot of character customization but then complain because you can make characters look disfigured and it's a turnoff?
That's a joke right? Could you folks that are criticizing the game be anymore hypocritical?

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I'm selling some reading skills, want to buy some?
I have already said that I like the game. There are aspects of it however that I dislike. In customisation I dislike the ability to create monstrosities.

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Yes I'll take "I wasn't talking about you in particular" for $200 please.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im surprised people come here after the PE saying that the characters are anime and that turns them off, I mean, couldn't you get that impression just by looking at the screens and save the hassle of downloading it? You say Aion is not what you expected because of this...then what did you expect?

These non concrete negative reviews are pretty suspicious aswell, all of the points OP posted could have been posted by anyone after a 5 minutes research. Details = credibility.

Well to be fair to ALL posters,MOST AION fanbois tell others they are not allowed any opinions unless they play a certain length of time.Well now we have people telling others they should not play at all because they should have been able to form an opinion without playing?that sounds hypocritical if i ever heard it..geesh,be fair to both sides.

For myself,i most certainly can tell a lot from a game without even playing it,just from videos and description of the game and its design purpose,actually that alone is a LOT to go on,but for many it is not.

What makes MOST discussions bad,is that every positive one gets the high five and anything the AIon fanbois[or ANY game] takes as negative is NEVER accepted.It is so bad on the fanbois part that they are pretty much saying their game is "PERFECT" not a problem there at all,these are biased posts and would carry no creditability at all.

You have to be willing to notice the good and the bad ,as EVERY game has it.You use both the good and the bad to decide if the game is at least /possibly playable for you.Sometimes players are caught in between,they like a little of this but hate some of that,so yes then they need to actually play it.If someone hates the character models,that does not mean they might not like the rest of the game,because is it not true we have heard the MAJORITY state graphics mean little "it is all about the game play" right?

So for once as a fanbois,say you are right that part is bad,but there are MANY other parts of the game that are great,that would be a realistic and fair response,one that people could accept as not being biased.Actually could we count on more than 4 fingers the amount of times soemone accepts another players complaints about a game?Even if you are of the opinion that does not agree with the poster ,you can say in this case,you may not like the character models ,for myself and others we do.

My favourite game is FFXI and yet i could write several paragraphs on the games failures,but you know what?it offers a few things i love ,so it became the game of my choice.I can accept criticism and the good ,both are there in the game and i know it and accept it.

That really depends upon what they say is bad.

I find that most people can't separate "bad" from "working as intended/not intended" to "It's just not my taste".

Aion looking/sounding like an asian game is not a bad thing but a matter of taste.

That's like saying the color blue is bad. Well no, you might just hate blue but it pretty much is what it is.

I keep seeing people criticize Aion for being too WoW like. Well that is a matter of taste as well as they clearly stated they were making a tradtional mmo. so if one doesn't like (or is tired of) traditional mmo's then fine but for those who like/don't care then that's good.

Bad would be wanting to make a pvp game but the controls aren't responsive or there is too much lag. Bad is making a Character progression system that will penalize/gimp a player if he/she hasn't read extensively on what to do or not to do.

If one is going to label something as bad then it has to be usable. I love Lineage 2. but most hate it because it's open pvp and it has a huge grind.

It's not bad because it's open pvp. That is a point of personal taste. Is the grind bad? That's a tough one. Subjective in my opinion but for the most part I would say for the average player they would say it was bad.

Bad texturing is bad. Bugs are bad. Game play can be bad depending on what the game was trying to do. So if someone critcizes someone it might be because what they say is bad is really just personal opinion  or taste or a lack of knowlege on the subject.

So the op says it wasn't what he expected but what was shown as far as art design has pretty much been posted many times. So that I find a bit surprising.

However, I might see the point if he felt the game play was going to be something different if he hadn't read that they were going to make a tradtioinal mmo.

If they said they were going to be releasing a ground breaking title then sure, I could see where people would be pissed.

If I make a cheese cake, tell everyone I'm making a cheese cake and they try my cake and hate it because they hate cheese cake then that is on them. If they try my cheese cake and find it tastes like saw dust then I can see them being pissed.

So then one has to look at Aion and see if it is a good example of a game in the WoW/LOTRO/"fill in the blank game" tradition or if it fails to live up to those games or even any game in the genre.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im surprised people come here after the PE saying that the characters are anime and that turns them off, I mean, couldn't you get that impression just by looking at the screens and save the hassle of downloading it? You say Aion is not what you expected because of this...then what did you expect?

These non concrete negative reviews are pretty suspicious aswell, all of the points OP posted could have been posted by anyone after a 5 minutes research. Details = credibility.

Well to be fair to ALL posters,MOST AION fanbois tell others they are not allowed any opinions unless they play a certain length of time.Well now we have people telling others they should not play at all because they should have been able to form an opinion without playing?that sounds hypocritical if i ever heard it..geesh,be fair to both sides.

For myself,i most certainly can tell a lot from a game without even playing it,just from videos and description of the game and its design purpose,actually that alone is a LOT to go on,but for many it is not.

What makes MOST discussions bad,is that every positive one gets the high five and anything the AIon fanbois[or ANY game] takes as negative is NEVER accepted.It is so bad on the fanbois part that they are pretty much saying their game is "PERFECT" not a problem there at all,these are biased posts and would carry no creditability at all.

You have to be willing to notice the good and the bad ,as EVERY game has it.You use both the good and the bad to decide if the game is at least /possibly playable for you.Sometimes players are caught in between,they like a little of this but hate some of that,so yes then they need to actually play it.If someone hates the character models,that does not mean they might not like the rest of the game,because is it not true we have heard the MAJORITY state graphics mean little "it is all about the game play" right?

So for once as a fanbois,say you are right that part is bad,but there are MANY other parts of the game that are great,that would be a realistic and fair response,one that people could accept as not being biased.Actually could we count on more than 4 fingers the amount of times soemone accepts another players complaints about a game?Even if you are of the opinion that does not agree with the poster ,you can say in this case,you may not like the character models ,for myself and others we do.

My favourite game is FFXI and yet i could write several paragraphs on the games failures,but you know what?it offers a few things i love ,so it became the game of my choice.I can accept criticism and the good ,both are there in the game and i know it and accept it.

 

That really depends upon what they say is bad.

I find that most people can't separate "bad" from "working as intended/not intended" to "It's just not my taste".

Aion looking/sounding like an asian game is not a bad thing but a matter of taste.

That's like saying the color blue is bad. Well no, you might just hate blue but it pretty much is what it is.

I keep seeing people criticize Aion for being too WoW like. Well that is a matter of taste as well as they clearly stated they were making a tradtional mmo. so if one doesn't like (or is tired of) traditional mmo's then fine but for those who like/don't care then that's good.

Bad would be wanting to make a pvp game but the controls aren't responsive or there is too much lag. Bad is making a Character progression system that will penalize/gimp a player if he/she hasn't read extensively on what to do or not to do.

If one is going to label something as bad then it has to be usable. I love Lineage 2. but most hate it because it's open pvp and it has a huge grind.

It's not bad because it's open pvp. That is a point of personal taste. Is the grind bad? That's a tough one. Subjective in my opinion but for the most part I would say for the average player they would say it was bad.

Bad texturing is bad. Bugs are bad. Game play can be bad depending on what the game was trying to do. So if someone critcizes someone it might be because what they say is bad is really just personal opinion  or taste or a lack of knowlege on the subject.

So the op says it wasn't what he expected but what was shown as far as art design has pretty much been posted many times. So that I find a bit surprising.

However, I might see the point if he felt the game play was going to be something different if he hadn't read that they were going to make a tradtioinal mmo.

If they said they were going to be releasing a ground breaking title then sure, I could see where people would be pissed.

If I make a cheese cake, tell everyone I'm making a cheese cake and they try my cake and hate it because they hate cheese cake then that is on them. If they try my cheese cake and find it tastes like saw dust then I can see them being pissed.

So then one has to look at Aion and see if it is a good example of a game in the WoW/LOTRO/"fill in the blank game" tradition or if it fails to live up to those games or even any game in the genre.

what if i like pie?

well that depends? cause apple pie is SOOO carebear.  unless you like pecan pie you're a noob.

metaphor satire ftw.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im surprised people come here after the PE saying that the characters are anime and that turns them off, I mean, couldn't you get that impression just by looking at the screens and save the hassle of downloading it? You say Aion is not what you expected because of this...then what did you expect?

These non concrete negative reviews are pretty suspicious aswell, all of the points OP posted could have been posted by anyone after a 5 minutes research. Details = credibility.

Well to be fair to ALL posters,MOST AION fanbois tell others they are not allowed any opinions unless they play a certain length of time.Well now we have people telling others they should not play at all because they should have been able to form an opinion without playing?that sounds hypocritical if i ever heard it..geesh,be fair to both sides.

For myself,i most certainly can tell a lot from a game without even playing it,just from videos and description of the game and its design purpose,actually that alone is a LOT to go on,but for many it is not.

What makes MOST discussions bad,is that every positive one gets the high five and anything the AIon fanbois[or ANY game] takes as negative is NEVER accepted.It is so bad on the fanbois part that they are pretty much saying their game is "PERFECT" not a problem there at all,these are biased posts and would carry no creditability at all.

You have to be willing to notice the good and the bad ,as EVERY game has it.You use both the good and the bad to decide if the game is at least /possibly playable for you.Sometimes players are caught in between,they like a little of this but hate some of that,so yes then they need to actually play it.If someone hates the character models,that does not mean they might not like the rest of the game,because is it not true we have heard the MAJORITY state graphics mean little "it is all about the game play" right?

So for once as a fanbois,say you are right that part is bad,but there are MANY other parts of the game that are great,that would be a realistic and fair response,one that people could accept as not being biased.Actually could we count on more than 4 fingers the amount of times soemone accepts another players complaints about a game?Even if you are of the opinion that does not agree with the poster ,you can say in this case,you may not like the character models ,for myself and others we do.

My favourite game is FFXI and yet i could write several paragraphs on the games failures,but you know what?it offers a few things i love ,so it became the game of my choice.I can accept criticism and the good ,both are there in the game and i know it and accept it.

 

That really depends upon what they say is bad.

I find that most people can't separate "bad" from "working as intended/not intended" to "It's just not my taste".

Aion looking/sounding like an asian game is not a bad thing but a matter of taste.

That's like saying the color blue is bad. Well no, you might just hate blue but it pretty much is what it is.

I keep seeing people criticize Aion for being too WoW like. Well that is a matter of taste as well as they clearly stated they were making a tradtional mmo. so if one doesn't like (or is tired of) traditional mmo's then fine but for those who like/don't care then that's good.

Bad would be wanting to make a pvp game but the controls aren't responsive or there is too much lag. Bad is making a Character progression system that will penalize/gimp a player if he/she hasn't read extensively on what to do or not to do.

If one is going to label something as bad then it has to be usable. I love Lineage 2. but most hate it because it's open pvp and it has a huge grind.

It's not bad because it's open pvp. That is a point of personal taste. Is the grind bad? That's a tough one. Subjective in my opinion but for the most part I would say for the average player they would say it was bad.

Bad texturing is bad. Bugs are bad. Game play can be bad depending on what the game was trying to do. So if someone critcizes someone it might be because what they say is bad is really just personal opinion  or taste or a lack of knowlege on the subject.

So the op says it wasn't what he expected but what was shown as far as art design has pretty much been posted many times. So that I find a bit surprising.

However, I might see the point if he felt the game play was going to be something different if he hadn't read that they were going to make a tradtioinal mmo.

If they said they were going to be releasing a ground breaking title then sure, I could see where people would be pissed.

If I make a cheese cake, tell everyone I'm making a cheese cake and they try my cake and hate it because they hate cheese cake then that is on them. If they try my cheese cake and find it tastes like saw dust then I can see them being pissed.

So then one has to look at Aion and see if it is a good example of a game in the WoW/LOTRO/"fill in the blank game" tradition or if it fails to live up to those games or even any game in the genre.

I don't think I could of said it any better my self. I'm glad someone is able to properly put into words what the majority of us "fanboys"(lol?) think.

 I don't care if you hate the game, or wish it was never created, but I'll be damned if I'm just going to sit here and say nothing when it comes to blatent lies. If you don't like the game, then you are very much entitled to your opinion, and I applaud you for it. But if you don't like the game and then rant and troll endlessly because you feel cheated, then you need to grow up and move on. These are games, they aren't meant to be the perfect game for every person alive, and they never will be. Some will love them, some will hate them, there is no reason to spew out hateful remarks repeatdly because of it.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im surprised people come here after the PE saying that the characters are anime and that turns them off, I mean, couldn't you get that impression just by looking at the screens and save the hassle of downloading it? You say Aion is not what you expected because of this...then what did you expect?

These non concrete negative reviews are pretty suspicious aswell, all of the points OP posted could have been posted by anyone after a 5 minutes research. Details = credibility.

Well to be fair to ALL posters,MOST AION fanbois tell others they are not allowed any opinions unless they play a certain length of time.Well now we have people telling others they should not play at all because they should have been able to form an opinion without playing?that sounds hypocritical if i ever heard it..geesh,be fair to both sides.

For myself,i most certainly can tell a lot from a game without even playing it,just from videos and description of the game and its design purpose,actually that alone is a LOT to go on,but for many it is not.

What makes MOST discussions bad,is that every positive one gets the high five and anything the AIon fanbois[or ANY game] takes as negative is NEVER accepted.It is so bad on the fanbois part that they are pretty much saying their game is "PERFECT" not a problem there at all,these are biased posts and would carry no creditability at all.

You have to be willing to notice the good and the bad ,as EVERY game has it.You use both the good and the bad to decide if the game is at least /possibly playable for you.Sometimes players are caught in between,they like a little of this but hate some of that,so yes then they need to actually play it.If someone hates the character models,that does not mean they might not like the rest of the game,because is it not true we have heard the MAJORITY state graphics mean little "it is all about the game play" right?

So for once as a fanbois,say you are right that part is bad,but there are MANY other parts of the game that are great,that would be a realistic and fair response,one that people could accept as not being biased.Actually could we count on more than 4 fingers the amount of times soemone accepts another players complaints about a game?Even if you are of the opinion that does not agree with the poster ,you can say in this case,you may not like the character models ,for myself and others we do.

My favourite game is FFXI and yet i could write several paragraphs on the games failures,but you know what?it offers a few things i love ,so it became the game of my choice.I can accept criticism and the good ,both are there in the game and i know it and accept it.

Im just skeptical about all these undetailed reviews, call it experience, but if someone reviews a game without going into any kind of detail, it uses to smell like bullshit.