Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by xAlrythx

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to preorder Aion Online and take part of the Closed beta for Aion Online and have a string of complaints.....

FIRST: Loot rights and Kill credit go to the person(or group) who does the most damage now this doesn't seem like a big deal to most but consider this. There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs. I chose to try with Warrior (the Tanking class) and after endless competition with others I fealt horribly overshadowed and if I had been playing the Game seriously I would have a long list of people on my ignore list.

 

SECOND: Why would there be a limit on how long you can fly. I could understand if the flight was through some sort of spell but there are HUGE wing portruding from your back flight seems to be pretty much a given.....

THIRD: There is a total lack Character options....its cut and dry you are gonna end up being 1 of 4 classes...no matter what they call it in the end you will essentially be the original class they chose with only a few unique abilities for each Sub-Class....So you are either Gonna be a Tank, Physical DMG dps, Caster DMG dps, or Heals.....very little utility from what I saw

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

 

 

I'm going to go ahead and save this quote so I can have a good laugh later. You might want to search around aionsource just to see that the red statement is pretty flawed. I won't comment on the rest because I feel very differently on the situations. Nothing else really to say, but thanks for some humor.

Also, you may want to figure in you get potion buffs for longer time plus wing upgrades.

 

i will stick with my orginial statement....very little customization

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Mizzoufan

I look at it this way

The futher you stay away from the game that I am going to be playing the better, we don't need ppl QQing around these parts.

 

lol where was I QQing....it took about 20m of getting KS'd before i made a mage and did it myself......feel the flame as my words enrage you

why all these trolls dont understand that there is only one server in the beta and everyone plays the same race and everyone started in the same time?

Originally posted by Syno23

It sucks because it has a long GRIND!!! Outdated graphics and nothing next-gen.

Simply saying it sucks without a good explanation isn't very helpful, and in this case it isn't even true. NCSoft has made a lot of concessions to more casual players by cutting down on the grind you find in Lineage for example. And the fact that the graphics aren't on the cutting edge is actually a good thing most of the time, there are next to no loading times, and the game continues to run smoothly even when a lot of players are on screen at once.  The graphics and artdirection are actually some of the best things about the game, things that make the world feel a bit more special and less generic.

As for the next-gen part, well that's just a useless word without precise meaning that's been thrown around a lot lately, after hearing the term applied to WAR I'm not even certain that it isn't a pejorative.  I might concede that the gameplay offers nothing new however, it's the standard autoattack combined with a few special attacks. The special "combos" in the game amount to pressing the same button twice or even three times in a row when the opportunity arises, and the same mechanic is shared by all classes.

There are plenty of quests in the beginning, or one quest, depending on how you look at things. Because the fancy demigods populating the world of Aion tend to spend almost all their time decimating the local wildlife. It is actually more of this than in any other game I've seen in years, but there are some humourous elements that make up for it to some extent, even the npc are a bit embarraseed about handing out the quests, and make some remarks about it. And I can't help but think the "Animal lover" title was meant to convey some irony. The title in question is aquired by avenging the death of someone's pet pig, which a few hungry kobolds had the nerve to barbeque. A crime of modest proportions compared to the acts of the player character, who at this point has slaughtered hundreds of animals for laughs and left them to rot, or perhaps salvaged a fang or horn from every other specimen. 

"Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa"

Yeah and they also made Guild Wars, a very popular game even to this day.   I had a fantastic time with the preview event.  Is the game perfect...no...but it's better than most I have tried lately...way better. 

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to preorder Aion Online and take part of the Closed beta for Aion Online and have a string of complaints.....

FIRST: Loot rights and Kill credit go to the person(or group) who does the most damage now this doesn't seem like a big deal to most but consider this. There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs. I chose to try with Warrior (the Tanking class) and after endless competition with others I fealt horribly overshadowed and if I had been playing the Game seriously I would have a long list of people on my ignore list.

SECOND: Why would there be a limit on how long you can fly. I could understand if the flight was through some sort of spell but there are HUGE wing portruding from your back flight seems to be pretty much a given.....

THIRD: There is a total lack Character options....its cut and dry you are gonna end up being 1 of 4 classes...no matter what they call it in the end you will essentially be the original class they chose with only a few unique abilities for each Sub-Class....So you are either Gonna be a Tank, Physical DMG dps, Caster DMG dps, or Heals.....very little utility from what I saw

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

Your premise is a bit off though.

The loot thing is a preference, I have to agree with your premise here but some do not

Flying limit is a tactial thing and I found it a good thing. So difference in opinion there. You aren't supposed to hover above all mobs and take them out without being touched. I found that I was taking out a named mob in this way and had to land in order to finish him off. I'm for the flying limit

as far as what you perceive as a lack of character customization, this is incorrect because of the stigma system.

So I can only agree with one of your points.

Still, if you didn't like the game, more power to you. I know I will be dropping all of my other games to play it.

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to......blablablablablablablablablablablablablabla.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

Wooo...coolies, LvL 2 Char which is even not able to switch a zone is giving us a point of view.

And the lvl 2 char complains that he was not able to fly long enough....that is why? O yeah, the lvl ...or...no, wait. All games have Entcontent given directly at the beginning, right, i remember.

Part of that Crew created L II...man....go home.....

Originally posted by graggok

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

I played the game longer and don't share any of your complaints. Even if I didn't like it I would never in a million years spend a dime on a Star Wars MMO. That franchise holds zero appeal to me, no matter how well it may be done.

What's with all the kill stealing whining? Can you not play with others? Obviously not... I was a mage and IF I noticed I hit a mob already engaged I'd put the book away and get another mob. IF I noticed someone getting owned I tried to help them by launching a fire ball or a freeze spell on the mob and later sick my fire pet... IF I noticed mob competition I offered to group up.

Are you people not able to cooperate? I like this system because it allows for quick interaction, sure some people will kill your mob and might even steal your loot even though you hit it first, so what? Move on to the next one, if person continues to harrass you report the problem.

I really hope they don't change it into something like FFXI where first person who hits the mob claims it and no one else can unless player declares they are in trouble and flag the mob red. Claiming can allow for MORE griefing then what Aion's system has, imo. :/

Originally posted by Cynthe

What's with all the kill stealing whining? Can you not play with others? Obviously not... I was a mage and IF I noticed I hit a mob already engaged I'd put the book away and get another mob. IF I noticed someone getting owned I tried to help them by launching a fire ball or a freeze spell on the mob and later sick my fire pet... IF I noticed mob competition I offered to group up.

Are you people not able to cooperate? I like this system because it allows for quick interaction, sure some people will kill your mob and might even steal your loot even though you hit it first, so what? Move on to the next one, if person continues to harrass you report the problem.

I really hope they don't change it into something like FFXI where first person who hits the mob claims it and no one else can unless player declares they are in trouble and flag the mob red. Claiming can allow for MORE griefing then what Aion's system has, imo. :/

I don't agree with this at all. They invented the tag system for a reason. The KS or Kill Stealing term first appears in Everquest. In that game, whoever does more damage get the exp and the kill (loot right). It was absolutely nightmare if someone wanted to grief you. No matter what you do, you cannot get any kill or exp ever especially for low dps class like tank.

In the tag system, if you tag the mob, at least you know you could know for sure you will have the loot right. Many tank class do have range instant ability to tag mob like "Provoke" in FFXI, templar in AION also have similar skill as well.

So, yes, both system have flaws, however, with the tag system, at least you can still have a chance of getting stuffs. With the current system in AION, you have absolute no chance whatsoever. And don't even start on cooperate, history on all MMORPG in the pass without the tag system told us that while there are some nice people out there, it only take 1 rude dude to ruin your night and leave you a bad taste in your mouth for a long time.

And remember, you can't always report the problem. Imagine you go to yoru quest area and a few high dps dudes and even higher level than you farm there, you will have absolute 0 change of finishing that quest. They just simply kill everything there. They don't harrass you, they don't follow you, they just kill everything on sight. What can you do? move on to your next quest? you will find some there too. Move on? Oh, there are some there too. This is nothing new in AION, you WILL see this.

You have no idea how frustrate it is in the game with no tagging until you have to face the reality. And you will WISH that they implemented the tag system. The tagging system was invented for a reason.

Tag system would have been terrible for casters, you can't just imagine how many times, as a sorcerer, I had to position myself far from a recent spawn just to see how someone who wasn't in the area before gets to the mob before I finish my 3 seconds casting spell.

I, obviously, KS'd them, but it was mine. I never KS'd someone who engaged battle before I targeted the mob and never ks'd if I saw him/her running to the mob before I started casting.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

You have no idea how frustrate it is in the game with no tagging until you have to face the reality. And you will WISH that they implemented the tag system. The tagging system was invented for a reason.

I guess I'll have to see how it plays out. But the claiming system isn't that much better as people can still train mobs and claim everything in the area, I've had people steal mobs from right under my nose with provoke or ranged magic or a gun...

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to preorder Aion Online and take part of the Closed beta for Aion Online and have a string of complaints.....

FIRST: Loot rights and Kill credit go to the person(or group) who does the most damage now this doesn't seem like a big deal to most but consider this. There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs. I chose to try with Warrior (the Tanking class) and after endless competition with others I fealt horribly overshadowed and if I had been playing the Game seriously I would have a long list of people on my ignore list.

SECOND: Why would there be a limit on how long you can fly. I could understand if the flight was through some sort of spell but there are HUGE wing portruding from your back flight seems to be pretty much a given.....

THIRD: There is a total lack Character options....its cut and dry you are gonna end up being 1 of 4 classes...no matter what they call it in the end you will essentially be the original class they chose with only a few unique abilities for each Sub-Class....So you are either Gonna be a Tank, Physical DMG dps, Caster DMG dps, or Heals.....very little utility from what I saw

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

You have the wrong impression.

1- There are multiple copies of a same zone avaiable, known as "channels". If one is too crowded, you can just switch over to the next one. We have the wrong impression on betas though, as we only had one server to choose from, and the channel numbers were limited to 4.

2- I didn't expect to be able to fly forever, it's impossible. Plus, the content is designed around the flight time you have, so it's no big deal, plus you get wing upgrades later on.

3- 20 levels is not enough to see enough difference between classes, you're pretty much stuck with your level 1~10 skills and a few skills from the 13, 16 and 19 skillbooks. I played as a ranger and I did enjoy my weakness and strong points.

Originally posted by graggok

okay we may have only got to play the game for a the first few levels...however it sets the tempo for the whole game....I am not against KSing persay just at the VERY beginning of the game will set a tempo for the game that will create alot of frustration later...now if the KSing was a form of PVP rather than something that a guy of your same faction can do simply because they want to......

Your arguments are moer about foreseeing what might happen in the future, (or not foreseeing anything at all) than annoyances of the game.

Kill stealing: You talked about how it might affect at higher levels.

Flying time: You are not foreseeing things devs and players talk about, such as flight potions and wings upgrades, I even showed you a video of 9 minutes with aerial PvP.

Classes differences: You are talking about how at higher levels there will be cookie cutter setups.

So yeah, you are judging what you haven't seen yet.

Originally posted by Ephimero

Tag system would have been terrible for casters, you can't just imagine how many times, as a sorcerer, I had to position myself far from a recent spawn just to see how someone who wasn't in the area before gets to the mob before I finish my 3 seconds casting spell.

I, obviously, KS'd them, but it was mine. I never KS'd someone who engaged battle before I targeted the mob and never ks'd if I saw him/her running to the mob before I started casting.

You don't start with a big spell when you know people around could take it, start with a CC spell, those usually have much shorter cast time. Like I said, in the tag system, there are ways to get the mob you want, it's a game of chance and reflex to determin who get it but you always have a chance. Like in FFXI as a BLM I would stun > sleep > big nuke. Stun, especially when you sub RDM for fast cast, is just as fast as "Provoke". Or as a paladin I will just provoke. So either as a caster or as a melee I will still have a chance to get the mob.

I can't tell you how many time in Everquest or in AION, I am fighting a mob as a warrior or templar to almost half dead and a wizard or sorcerer pass by and go "boom, boom, boom" and it's his. If everything determine by damage, tank class will have no chance whatsoever even if you started almost half way before others. It's increadibly unfair to low dps class.

The good news is that you share the death exp, depending on the percentage of the damage done. The bad news is that whoever did the most damage, gets to loot.

I played all weekend with a friend of mine and we had no problems at all.  Its just a slightly different version of DAOC.  I think tagging should be in instead of just most dps for the nub zones but didnt have a problem playing a scout going from 1-10.  /shrug

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to preorder Aion Online and take part of the Closed beta for Aion Online and have a string of complaints.....

FIRST: Loot rights and Kill credit go to the person(or group) who does the most damage now this doesn't seem like a big deal to most but consider this. There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs. I chose to try with Warrior (the Tanking class) and after endless competition with others I fealt horribly overshadowed and if I had been playing the Game seriously I would have a long list of people on my ignore list.

SECOND: Why would there be a limit on how long you can fly. I could understand if the flight was through some sort of spell but there are HUGE wing portruding from your back flight seems to be pretty much a given.....

THIRD: There is a total lack Character options....its cut and dry you are gonna end up being 1 of 4 classes...no matter what they call it in the end you will essentially be the original class they chose with only a few unique abilities for each Sub-Class....So you are either Gonna be a Tank, Physical DMG dps, Caster DMG dps, or Heals.....very little utility from what I saw

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

 

You have the wrong impression.

1- There are multiple copies of a same zone avaiable, known as "channels". If one is too crowded, you can just switch over to the next one. We have the wrong impression on betas though, as we only had one server to choose from, and the channel numbers were limited to 4.

2- I didn't expect to be able to fly forever, it's impossible. Plus, the content is designed around the flight time you have, so it's no big deal, plus you get wing upgrades later on.

3- 20 levels is not enough to see enough difference between classes, you're pretty much stuck with your level 1~10 skills and a few skills from the 13, 16 and 19 skillbooks. I played as a ranger and I did enjoy my weakness and strong points.

I love how so many tell m that my opinions are wrong...but to each thier own...and yes i did look at the game from and "end game" perspective because I don't plan on being lvl 10 forever

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

Much better spent than the keys that went to that French powerleveling and guides company advertising their services via multiple toons IN BETA. I don't remember the name and even if I did, I won't advertise them.

Originally posted by Neyon

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

 

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

the beta keys went o anyone with enough money to pre order

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Neyon

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

 

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

 

the beta keys went o anyone with enough money to pre order

As I remember lots who preordered did not actually get any beta keys, and are still waiting on them. Furthermore, it is much more difficult to preorder in the EU than in the US atm (untill announcements tomorrow).

But again, you are simply trolling the game making whiny comments about things that arn't even issues. To me, people who say things like *I think we should be able to fly forever* are just the same as those who say *Why can't we just skip the grind and all start at level 50*. Thats not the point. That's not fun, and doesn't make a good game.

Don't think i'm just flaming you (well I am) but really nobody should be posting these silly *my aion review* threads of which there are so many at the moment. Sure, give your opinions but the game isn't even finished yet and the Beta was not for your very own preview of the game. It was to test the game to find bugs and errors so that they can fix them so... logically speaking there are going to be bugs, errors and things that need to be tweaked and judging the game now whether you think it is good or bad is a silly thing to do.

It's like deciding a cake taste awful before you have even put it in the oven.

Originally posted by Neyon

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Neyon

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

 

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

 

the beta keys went o anyone with enough money to pre order

 

As I remember lots who preordered did not actually get any beta keys, and are still waiting on them. Furthermore, it is much more difficult to preorder in the EU than in the US atm (untill announcements tomorrow).

But again, you are simply trolling the game making whiny comments about things that arn't even issues. To me, people who say things like *I think we should be able to fly forever* are just the same as those who say *Why can't we just skip the grind and all start at level 50*. Thats not the point. That's not fun, and doesn't make a good game.

Don't think i'm just flaming you (well I am) but really nobody should be posting these silly *my aion review* threads of which there are so many at the moment. Sure, give your opinions but the game isn't even finished yet and the Beta was not for your very own preview of the game. It was to test the game to find bugs and errors so that they can fix them so... logically speaking there are going to be bugs, errors and things that need to be tweaked and judging the game now whether you think it is good or bad is a silly thing to do.

It's like deciding a cake taste awful before you have even put it in the oven.

 

continue to argue opinion vs opinion all it does make e-peens grow I simply posted my opinion i even said  "WHY I THINK" and used subjective and opinionative statements through my whole post.....i looked at the game how it will be played in the future but then again you all keep feeding this troll "GET OFF MY BRIDGE!!"

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by graggok

Like so many other people I decided to preorder Aion Online and take part of the Closed beta for Aion Online and have a string of complaints.....

FIRST: Loot rights and Kill credit go to the person(or group) who does the most damage now this doesn't seem like a big deal to most but consider this. There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs. I chose to try with Warrior (the Tanking class) and after endless competition with others I fealt horribly overshadowed and if I had been playing the Game seriously I would have a long list of people on my ignore list.

SECOND: Why would there be a limit on how long you can fly. I could understand if the flight was through some sort of spell but there are HUGE wing portruding from your back flight seems to be pretty much a given.....

THIRD: There is a total lack Character options....its cut and dry you are gonna end up being 1 of 4 classes...no matter what they call it in the end you will essentially be the original class they chose with only a few unique abilities for each Sub-Class....So you are either Gonna be a Tank, Physical DMG dps, Caster DMG dps, or Heals.....very little utility from what I saw

So in my opinion: Cancel your Pre-Orders and Save you money and wait for Star Wars the Old Republic. Don't forget.....these guys made Tabula Rasa
 

 

You have the wrong impression.

1- There are multiple copies of a same zone avaiable, known as "channels". If one is too crowded, you can just switch over to the next one. We have the wrong impression on betas though, as we only had one server to choose from, and the channel numbers were limited to 4.

2- I didn't expect to be able to fly forever, it's impossible. Plus, the content is designed around the flight time you have, so it's no big deal, plus you get wing upgrades later on.

3- 20 levels is not enough to see enough difference between classes, you're pretty much stuck with your level 1~10 skills and a few skills from the 13, 16 and 19 skillbooks. I played as a ranger and I did enjoy my weakness and strong points.

I love how so many tell m that my opinions are wrong...but to each thier own...and yes i did look at the game from and "end game" perspective because I don't plan on being lvl 10 forever

Your opinions may not be wrong for you, after all they are your opinions. They may seem wrong to others who have their own opinion, and/or more facts than you may have.

Like myself after playing this past weekend. I have come to total different conclusion than you did.

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Neyon

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Neyon

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

 

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

 

the beta keys went o anyone with enough money to pre order

 

As I remember lots who preordered did not actually get any beta keys, and are still waiting on them. Furthermore, it is much more difficult to preorder in the EU than in the US atm (untill announcements tomorrow).

But again, you are simply trolling the game making whiny comments about things that arn't even issues. To me, people who say things like *I think we should be able to fly forever* are just the same as those who say *Why can't we just skip the grind and all start at level 50*. Thats not the point. That's not fun, and doesn't make a good game.

Don't think i'm just flaming you (well I am) but really nobody should be posting these silly *my aion review* threads of which there are so many at the moment. Sure, give your opinions but the game isn't even finished yet and the Beta was not for your very own preview of the game. It was to test the game to find bugs and errors so that they can fix them so... logically speaking there are going to be bugs, errors and things that need to be tweaked and judging the game now whether you think it is good or bad is a silly thing to do.

It's like deciding a cake taste awful before you have even put it in the oven.

 

continue to argue opinion vs opinion all it does make e-peens grow I simply posted my opinion i even said  "WHY I THINK" and used subjective and opinionative statements through my whole post.....i looked at the game how it will be played in the future but then again you all keep feeding this troll "GET OFF MY BRIDGE!!"

Yes, you are a troll, well done!

If you honestly think that whining about how you want to be able to fly forever, and making stupid comments such as

"There is only 1 starting zone for each faction which means there will be an ungodly amount of competition for quest mobs"

when there are channels you could have used to avoid the crowds. That is the point of them. Don't whine about things they have already fixed and pretend you are making a valid argument to try to assure your own assumptions about a game you only played to level 10.

Some people say that a man's opinion can never be wrong. They are wrong. So are you.

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Neyon

Shame beta keys went to people like this guy who clearly doesn't understand the purpose of a beta and who think everything in the game should be handed to them on a silver platter.

 

P.S I don't know if it was different on the EU servers, but on the US servers 7 channels were avaliable.

 

the beta keys went o anyone with enough money to pre order

Funny I haven't pre-ordered yet and I managed to win a beta key and snag another one on mmorpg without spending anything.