Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

The number one rule of clinical insanity is that the insane are unaware that they are in fact insane.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

The number one rule of clinical insanity is that the insane are unaware that they are in fact insane.

LOL. But you would also know that insanity or not its still a fact that I enjoy this game and it so happens I know a few others that do as well. For me, that is all that matters, I dont care about the insanity part.

having said that I think anyone who can speak for all gamers enjoyment factor are not insane but rather childish and stupid.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

If you enjoy the game as much as you state. Why do you spend so much time here? I have been a member here since 2005. My posts have only started going up in the last few months cause I don't have a game I am "Having fun playing". When I did have one I was not here saying I enjoyed it.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

The number one rule of clinical insanity is that the insane are unaware that they are in fact insane.

 

LOL. But you would also know that insanity or not its still a fact that I enjoy this game and it so happens I know a few others that do as well. For me, that is all that matters, I dont care about theinsanity part

Haha, I just thought I would throw it out there.  Glad you're happy.

Originally posted by isolor

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

If you enjoy the game as much as you state. Why do you spend so much time here? I have been a member here since 2005. My posts have only started going up in the last few months cause I don't have a game I am "Having fun playing". When I did have one I was not here saying I enjoyed it.

becuase my boss will not let me and I am at work with nothing to do. How screwed up that is would be a different story.

my big problem with Darkfall is I CAN"T EVER FIND A TIME WIHEN I HAVE MONEY AND THEY ARE SELLING COPIES!

Originally posted by graggok

my big problem with Darkfall is I CAN"T EVER FIND A TIME WIHEN I HAVE MONEY AND THEY ARE SELLING COPIES!

The "store" has been open now for a couple of weeks, and doubt it will be shut down anytime soon. So you should have no problem getting the game when you have the money.

Originally posted by isolor

Originally posted by graggok

my big problem with Darkfall is I CAN"T EVER FIND A TIME WIHEN I HAVE MONEY AND THEY ARE SELLING COPIES!

 

The "store" has been open now for a couple of weeks, and doubt it will be shut down anytime soon. So you should have no problem getting the game when you have the money.

thanks i had honestly given up I wanted to try it simply because I try every MMO

Originally posted by graggok

 

thanks i had honestly given up I wanted to try it simply because I try every MMO

I get a feeling you will not like the game much based on "...simply becuase I try every MMO".

My concern is that you will not have the attention span to give it a real shot.

    Maybe if they had more than one server the noob experience might be a little better........

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by graggok

 

thanks i had honestly given up I wanted to try it simply because I try every MMO

 

I get a feeling you will not like the game much based on "...simply becuase I try every MMO".

My concern is that you will not have the attention span to give it a real shot.

I am between MMOs atm and I am a hard sell too....and I have a few friends who have been playing it...so we will see

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

 

The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

 

here is a fact.

I enjoy the game. I enjoy the game more than any game I have played since 2004. There isnt any level of arguement possible that will logically convince me that I dont in fact enjoy playing the game. But it would be funny to see if you try.

 

Read what I said.  Stopping putting words in my mouth

First I never doubt for a second that you love DF.  Good for you, and does not affect me.  I could not care less who you are or whether you love DF, chinese food, hotdogs or little animals.  I don't know you.

Second I am not trying to convince you to stop playing.  Once again, I could not care less who you are or whether you love DF, chinese food, hotdogs or little animals. I don't know you.

Fact is, you are Mr Nobody to me, I am not going personal, and no reason I need to direct any effort to you specifically.  To me you are just another anonymous handle on a web.  Don't think that you are so important to me or anyone.

I just state a simple observation in my original post.  The idea I am saying is:

(1) DF is a game in which you (meaning everyone, not you Mr I-do-not-know) play with other people not NPC.

(2) DF is a game in which game community dictates game experience

(3) DF community is the worst kind on earth.

Did I ever said I do not believe you like DF?  Did I ever suggest you quit DF?  Do I care at all?

Originally posted by Kshahdoo

 

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Originally posted by Orthedos

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

 

With the assumption that over the next 12 months this game will continue to improve just like most MMO do I think the only thing wrong with DF is the player community itself.

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The DF community is the prime reason for its failure.  DF is a game in which you play with people.  With the kind of people you see in DF, the game is unplayable, for the purpose of enjoyment.

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Hehe as Russian proverb speaks about such as you: who sees an eyewinker in someone's eye but doesn't see a beam in his own one...

Which echoes my own idea.

Most of those I like to play with have a similar mindset, and people I actually interact with online generally hate DF fanatics.  We have seen some of these unwelcome gamers on UO, we (part of a very old long time guild) have moved to many other games and never touch similar games, say SB.  We play DAoC (we have a huge guild in Percival Midgard back then), we play EvE now (I am very inactive tho), but we avoid games with players like the obnoxious few DF champions here.

Naturally they don't like us.  No big deal, we do not want them to come near.

Thank you for confirming this to me, I am most delighted to know.

Originally posted by Orthedos

 

Which echoes my own idea.

Most of those I like to play with have a similar mindset, and people I actually interact with online generally hate DF fanatics.  We have seen some of these unwelcome gamers on UO, we (part of a very old long time guild) have moved to many other games and never touch similar games, say SB.  We play DAoC (we have a huge guild in Percival Midgard back then), we play EvE now (I am very inactive tho), but we avoid games with players like the obnoxious few DF champions here.

Naturally they don't like us.  No big deal, we do not want them to come near.

Thank you for confirming this to me, I am most delighted to know.

In an odd twist I agree. My least favorite aspect of this game is the community itself.

if there was a single player version of DF I most likely would play it. Now, let me explain on that.

Most single player games are very limited in scope compared to MMO's. If a single player gamer wants to have several hundern hours of game play varity and depth they will have to play an MMO. single player games dont even come close to the depth found in even the shallow MMO's so in my view no, the game play is not all about people.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

 

Which echoes my own idea.

Most of those I like to play with have a similar mindset, and people I actually interact with online generally hate DF fanatics.  We have seen some of these unwelcome gamers on UO, we (part of a very old long time guild) have moved to many other games and never touch similar games, say SB.  We play DAoC (we have a huge guild in Percival Midgard back then), we play EvE now (I am very inactive tho), but we avoid games with players like the obnoxious few DF champions here.

Naturally they don't like us.  No big deal, we do not want them to come near.

Thank you for confirming this to me, I am most delighted to know.

 

In an odd twist I agree. My least favorite aspect of this game is the community itself.

if there was a single player version of DF I most likely would play it. Now, let me explain on that.

Most single player games are very limited in scope compared to MMO's. If a single player gamer wants to have several hundern hours of game play varity and depth they will have to play an MMO. single player games dont even come close to the depth found in even the shallow MMO's so in my view no, the game play is not all about people.

 

Fallout 3
Oblivion
Fable 2
Hell, any Madden football game.
 

Those all have more variety and depth then the most shallow MMO, DFO.

Tell us about the variety available in DFO.
I can craft
I can harvest
I can PvP

How about you add to the list.
What else can I do in DFO? 

And didn't you say that DFO was your fist MMO?

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Orthedos

 

Which echoes my own idea.

Most of those I like to play with have a similar mindset, and people I actually interact with online generally hate DF fanatics.  We have seen some of these unwelcome gamers on UO, we (part of a very old long time guild) have moved to many other games and never touch similar games, say SB.  We play DAoC (we have a huge guild in Percival Midgard back then), we play EvE now (I am very inactive tho), but we avoid games with players like the obnoxious few DF champions here.

Naturally they don't like us.  No big deal, we do not want them to come near.

Thank you for confirming this to me, I am most delighted to know.

 

In an odd twist I agree. My least favorite aspect of this game is the community itself.

if there was a single player version of DF I most likely would play it. Now, let me explain on that.

Most single player games are very limited in scope compared to MMO's. If a single player gamer wants to have several hundern hours of game play varity and depth they will have to play an MMO. single player games dont even come close to the depth found in even the shallow MMO's so in my view no, the game play is not all about people.

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

Originally posted by Fariic

Fallout 3
Oblivion
Fable 2
Hell, any Madden football game.
 

Those all have more variety and depth then the most shallow MMO, DFO.

Tell us about the variety available in DFO.
I can craft
I can harvest
I can PvP

How about you add to the list.
What else can I do in DFO? 

And didn't you say that DFO was your fist MMO?

NO DFO IS NOT MY FIRST MMO

EverQuest 2 for 9 months

Neverwinter nights as a world builder and host

and NO....Morrowinfd and Oblvion do NOT have the gaming depth that even DFO currently has .

Originally posted by Ozreth

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

morrowind and oblivion and fallout 3 dont even have crafting for crying out loud!

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Ozreth

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

 

morrowind and oblivion and fallout 3 dont even have crafting for crying out loud!

You're kidding?

If you're basing your opinion off of crafting I'm shocked.

I played EQ2 for almost 2 years.  I have toons just for crafting.
EQ2 is heads and tails above DFO.

DFO has one of the shallowest crafting systems available.  Hell, WoW has better crafting and they're pretty much identical!

You can not possibly be playing DFO cause you think the crafting is good!

You should maybe play oblivion a little more.
I was able to craft in it.  Maybe not armor or weaons, but there is some crafting.
And I could be wrong, but I could have swore there was some sort of crafting mechanic in Fallout 3.
I never played Morrowind, but from what I've read the game is considered one of the top RPG's ever made.

Have mats in bag, tools in bag, be a station, select product, click create till you loose a fingernail.
That's DFO crafting.  They haven't even put in a create quantity or a create all after 4 moths.  You're expcet to sit there and click create for every single item.  Not to mention it's the worst grind I've ever experienced in an MMO.  I thought VG crafting was a chore, nope, DFO blows it away.  Sigil at least had the imagination and talent to CREATE a crafting mechanic that involved some amount of thought and interaction.

I got a pitch for you.
http://www.darkfallonline.com/features/create.html    
Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable. Using Darkfall?s virtually limitless item creator system, you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the Flamefury Raudstaal Battleaxe of Bloodshed, or just make a simple saddle for your horse.
 

That is about as far from what the crafting system in DFO is like as you can get. 
You can spend hours upon hours upon hours clicking create to craft the exact same item over and over.  I spent 2 weeks creating a raft.  
The process of creating a raft involved me turning wood into timber.  THOUSANDS of wood into THOUSANDS of timber to get my woodworking to 75 in order to make a RAFT.  HOURS upon HOURS of clicking create to make the EXACT SAME ITEM for a week straight.  That IS NOT non-repetitive.
There is NOTHING challenging about crafting. 
You can't invent anything!  You get a list of items you can make and that list expands as you level crafting.  There isn't anything in the crafting mechanic that allows you to experiment with dif. mats to make dif. things to even have the option to create something no one else has.

If you haven't actually watched the powerpoint for MO I would suggest you do that.  They explain how the crafting system works and DFO's depiction describes MO's crafting much better then thier own.  Untill an NDA is lifted or the game is released I can't say much, but MO is testing the crafting now and from what I've read it is what they said it would be.
 

You can't even put anything on your mount let alone craft a saddle!

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Ozreth

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

 

morrowind and oblivion and fallout 3 dont even have crafting for crying out loud!

Neither does Darkfall, if compared to other classic MMORPGs.

HERE , take a look of crafting in Vanguard.. in which you can craft & build Guild Halls, Houses, BOATS, armor, weapons, furniture, etc...  (mind you, that video is not an in-depth depeiction, as the crafting can and harvesting can get pretty deep). 

Same with Everquest and Everquest 2...  all very robust and detailed crafting.  Darkfall's Crafting is more archaic than Ultima Online, they couldn't even get that right!

It seems you are just a complete newbie (prbably a wow'tard refugee).

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Ozreth

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

 

morrowind and oblivion and fallout 3 dont even have crafting for crying out loud!

 

Neither does Darkfall, if compared to other classic MMORPGs.

 

HERE , take a look of crafting in Vanguard.. in which you can craft & build Guild Halls, Houses, BOATS, armor, weapons, furniture, etc...  (mind you, that video is not an in-depth depeiction, as the crafting can and harvesting can get pretty deep). 

Same with Everquest and Everquest 2...  all very robust and detailed crafting.  Darkfall's Crafting is more archaic than Ultima Online, they couldn't even get that right!

 

It seems you are just a complete newbie (prbably a wow'tard refugee).

i thought the conversation was single player game depth vs mmo game depth.
 

I am saying that if single player games had the same depth as MMO's do I would play single player games. i dont play MMO's for the poeple. I personally play becuase there is more to do than a single player game

I played EQ2 for 9 months and now Darkfall 

as a level 61 tailor and transmutter in EQ2 I am sorry but I dont see EQ2 having any deeper crafting than DFO. I see it about the same. Just the fact that I can do any crafting I want without creating another toon in DFO is one aspect by itself that makes it more intresting. In fact the first thing that sparked my intrest in DF was "oh cool I can craft cannons I cant do that in EQ2"

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Ozreth

 

Whoa...what RPGs have you been playing? Try baldurs gate 2, neverwinter nights, oblivion, morrowind, fallout 3, fable etc. Seriously man, I love MMOs more than anything but they certainly will never reach the depth single player RPGs offer.

 

morrowind and oblivion and fallout 3 dont even have crafting for crying out loud!

 

Neither does Darkfall, if compared to other classic MMORPGs.

 

HERE , take a look of crafting in Vanguard.. in which you can craft & build Guild Halls, Houses, BOATS, armor, weapons, furniture, etc...  (mind you, that video is not an in-depth depeiction, as the crafting can and harvesting can get pretty deep). 

Same with Everquest and Everquest 2...  all very robust and detailed crafting.  Darkfall's Crafting is more archaic than Ultima Online, they couldn't even get that right!

 

It seems you are just a complete newbie (prbably a wow'tard refugee).

i thought the conversation was single player game depth vs mmo game depth.
 

I am saying that if single player games had the same depth as MMO's do I would play single player games. i dont play MMO's for the poeple. I personally play becuase there is more to do than a single player game

 

I played EQ2 for 9 months and now Darkfall 

as a level 61 tailor and transmutter in EQ2 I am sorry but I dont see EQ2 having any deeper crafting than DFO. I see it about the same. Just the fact that I can do any crafting I want without creating another toon in DFO is one aspect by itself that makes it more intresting. In fact the first thing that sparked my intrest in DF was "oh cool I can craft cannons I cant do that in EQ2"

Rotflmao...   That^ explains everything. You are an obvious troll!

Originally posted by Phelcher

 

Rotflmao...   That^ explains everything. You are an obvious troll!

 

 

so we are done now right?

 I misunderstood, I thought we were comparing single player games to MMO's for a bit there.

So to recap everything, I played EQ2 for 9 months and am extreemly familiar with the crafting engine. I left EQ2 for DF for various of reasons crafting being one of them. I have been playing DF for 3 months at around 10-20 hours a week. I do PvE, some PvP and some crafting. I still like the game as it is currently and I dont have plans on switching to a game that is basically the same thing minus city and ship building.

I dont care about character graphics and animations but I do care about world graphics. I find Darkfall to be graphically far more intresting to me than EQ2 which is a graphic style I have never been overly found of.

I also do not follow pre-game information much at all becuase I know that is risky information regardless of what developer we are talking about. Having said that I do not care about developers, developer notes, PR, weekly updates or company profile. I do however care about a game I am playing. If the game doesnt intrest me I stop playing, if it does intrest me I continue to play no matter what the development firm said abou it.

I think that covers everything.

Sean,
In one thread you're a level 51 tailor and transmuter.
In this thread you're a level 61 tailor and transmuter.

You're a perfect example of one of many things wrong with DFO.
It's community.

It's easier to keep your stories straight when you just tell the truth.
You seem to have a lot of trouble with your stories.  You've actually got things mixed up on a few occasions now.