Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by BoA*

How about a little less bashing and get back on topic with the siege. Nice city defense with the bottleneck btw

 

The siege wasn't the topic.  The topic was ZOMGWTFBBQSAUCE DFO M0AR AW3S0M3!

I watched the video and I wasn't particularly impressed.  It was clear that the person who made the video turned off options like shadows as well as others (did you see the water as they ran through it in the first part of the video).  Even then, there was lag in the beginning while they were getting ready and there was obviously framerate loss during the siege. On top of that, I doubt there were 200 people in the battle, period.  That being said, there obviously weren't the over 4k that were implied by the video information (800 in one alliance, 3500+ in another).

So, the topic is about how awesome Darkfall is and uses the video as evidence.  I'm using the same video to say it's clearly not as awesome as the OP thinks it is.

~Ripper

There were 200 people in the battle, I was there -_-. The area in and around was flooded with people, obviously not everyone who participated in the fight could be shown at the same time unless you put everyone in an open field and record it. Also, he didn't say there were over 4k in the video. That is the count for each alliance.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by BoA*

How about a little less bashing and get back on topic with the siege. Nice city defense with the bottleneck btw

 

The siege wasn't the topic.  The topic was ZOMGWTFBBQSAUCE DFO M0AR AW3S0M3!

I watched the video and I wasn't particularly impressed.  It was clear that the person who made the video turned off options like shadows as well as others (did you see the water as they ran through it in the first part of the video).  Even then, there was lag in the beginning while they were getting ready and there was obviously framerate loss during the siege. On top of that, I doubt there were 200 people in the battle, period.  That being said, there obviously weren't the over 4k that were implied by the video information (800 in one alliance, 3500+ in another).

So, the topic is about how awesome Darkfall is and uses the video as evidence.  I'm using the same video to say it's clearly not as awesome as the OP thinks it is.

~Ripper

 

There were 200 people in the battle, I was there -_-. The area in and around was flooded with people, obviously not everyone who participated in the fight could be shown at the same time unless you put everyone in an open field and record it. Also, he didn't say there were over 4k in the video. That is the count for each alliance.

You missed the point!

We are trying to tell you kids, that all most all of us have  "Been there, Done that!" ...!!

It laughable to hear you newbies get so excited over soemthing so inane as Darkfall. You wannabee hardcore types must really live sheltered lives or be really... really new to the scene(ie: newbies). Because there are superior games out there that we have played, that Darkfall is just a knock-off of.

We just sick of the blabbering about a 3rd rate, lousy knock-off. You guys got suckered into paying top dollar for an amature download. Any post in Darkfall defense just incriminates you as being retarded or a newbie... or both!

Hmm you had a blast thats all that really matters. But I felt like I was watching eq.  Looks like a MMO about 5 years old..

To me this video is from "The Attack of the Medi-evil clones" everybody looks the same O_o

Originally posted by -Zeno-

www.youtube.com/watch

Few games can handle this many people in one area.

This guy is using Fraps at the same time as playing this game.  Everyone knows what happens to your FPS when you use Fraps.  Game developers need to learn how to build game engines like the game in the video.  Even WoW cant handle 200+ players in one area without bogging down.

Not interested in a debate or arguement, so flame if you will, doubtful I will even lift a finger in response today, I know, shows how much I care.  I'm sure others have and will bring up other games and experiences, but this is hardly unique.  I have played in larger battles than this on SB back in the day with about the same performance (which, and don't get me wrong, I know it was exceedingly rare for SB to get anything equalling good performance with the sieges there, but every dog has it's day, just like DFO).

If you enjoy the game great, have fun with it.  Tell us about the battle and your experiences, but quit trying to praise this "tin god" it is not the one and only, end all be all savior to gaming.

Flame on.

I am reading a lot of posts here saying that DF is not all that great with seiges and with my limited gaming experience I honestly dont know how many games have sieges in them at all..
 

could we have a list? is it Shadobane and plantside? is that the complete list or do we want to also put in UO...lol

I suppose WWIIOL could count as having sieges, every battle is a fight to capture a town or city held by the enemy.  Not sure how the system ownership in Eve works but that could possibly be added to the list aswell as you battle for territory, someone more au fait with the mechanics of it could probably help out here though :).  Pretty sure DAOC has sieging aswell ;).

Um, EVE has managed to do this for a long time now.  In fact, due to their recent server upgrades, they've been able to push well into the thousand range in one area -without- lag.  Yes, when the areas get HEAVILY conjested, there is lag, but some of the fleet battles that -used- to be impossible, are now possible with hundreds, nearing thousands in one area.

It looked like everyone that wasn't standing still was warping all over your screen in the first battle.  More like the end of show chase scenes from Benny Hill.  The second battle looked much smaller, but much better.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Originally posted by Fariic

Lineage2
Lienage2

Check out the dates.

 

Nice, L2 servers can handle a few players.  Videos are not very fluid with visable lag in both of them.  Plus the graphics were turned way down on whoever was recording the video, looks like a game from 1999.

 

Here, I present you a 3 way battle that looks a little better than that L2 video: www.youtube.com/watch

PS - its not a Darkfall video.

When the person frapsing the video pans out to get a lot of character in scene the performance takes a noticable hit. 
When he's zoomed into a more reasonable view with fewer characters in scene the game runs silky smooth.

Those battles also had a couple hundred people involved, but just like in a DFO video you can't see everyone at once.
Also just like the DFO video the setting are turned all the way down. 
Not even DFO  is able to run a seige with setting turned up, and the guys that frappsed the DFO vid had thier settings at the minimum.  There were also a few scenes in the DFO vids were there's plenty of graphics lag.

Keep in mind that DFO is rendering fewer on screen assets then the L2 videos were when panned out.
The one L2 video is also from 4 years ago. 
There are some more recent ones that are just as large as the DFO seiges that run with next to no lag whatsoever and with settings actually turned up.

I didn't actually find the L2 vids to be any better then the DFO ones to be honest.  Each of them are rather dull, and the seiges are more fun to watch in person then on a vid.

I was more making the point that MASSIVE seiges have been going on in games for quite some time now.  DFO isn't the first, and they certianly aren't the best.  I've even seen a vid of well over a hundred people PvPing in WoW.  I myself have participated in PvP battles in WoW that had over a hundred people involved.  Lags the hell out of the server for that particular zone, but then WoW was never built around massive, open world, pvp contets.

FRAPS is for noobs, plain and simple. You don't use a screen grab program if you want smooth action and no lag inducement.

If you know anything about video then grab your cheap ass video camera or your f'n cell phone and film it off of your screen. At least you should be able to maintain 30fps 640x480 and we can see something that is not limited by another program running on top of the outstanding, genre leading, new age, never thought of before, game engine that DF uses.

People have used FRAPs as an excuse for years but you know when they post videos shot with a video camera they seem to have the same amount of lag, rubber banding, warping, etc no matter what over the last 5-10 years.

So DnF defenders, how about some decent video? I am sure that at least one of you has as good of gear as I do and can impress us with a screen capture of a massive battle in 24/1080p cine mode.

Interesting how none of the development companies that are amatuerish seem to have any video equipment either to show decent in game footage. They either lag or do like Deceit - n- Lie did and pre-render everything.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

www.youtube.com/watch

Few games can handle this many people in one area.

This guy is using Fraps at the same time as playing this game.  Everyone knows what happens to your FPS when you use Fraps.  Game developers need to learn how to build game engines like the game in the video.  Even WoW cant handle 200+ players in one area without bogging down.

Wait a minute.

You're the same Zeno who posted this thread in "The Pub", right?
Click Here

In that thread you declare it "setting a record" with 800 people in one area with "no lag".

In this thread you're stating it's 100 vs 100...

Is your math that poor that you believe 100+100=800, or are you just putting up random numbers that sound good at the time, yet referencing the same video in each one?

And, FFS... would you stop saying there's "no lag"? There is lag all over the place in that video, and it's not only because they're using Fraps. I've recorded in-game footage using Fraps before as well, during events with many people present. It affects the frame-rate, but it's never introduced lag that wasn't already there.

And, once again.. There is no point in that video where there's anything resembling even 200 people in the same area, much less 800 as you claim in your other thread.

I'm really curious about something...

Why is it that DF is the only MMO (that I'm aware of anyway) whose fans are so persistent in making claims of hundreds of people PvPing in one spot, when the videos themselves never reveal more than 60 or so at a time?

Other fans (we all know who they are) love to make blanket comments, such as stating no other MMO delivers such mass PvP. Even when examples are given time and again to the contrary, the fans respond to continuously moving the goal-post, with lame rationalizations like, "oh, well, Eve has mass PvP, but it's in outer-space, so they don't have terrain or trees to render so it doesn't count..." /facepalm Do you people seriously believe half of the nonsense you come up with?

It's like non-stop lies on top of spin on top of more lies with this game. Tasos gives some BS line about the game, the fans run with it and offer some BS claim to support it, linking to a video they claim "proves" 300+, 800+, 2000+ people "in one area without lag"... and in every case, it never stacks up. People call them out on it, and they respond by... doing what? Posting a new thread some time later, claiming an even greater number of people PvP'ing "with no lag".

I mean seriously... What gives?




 

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by -Zeno-

www.youtube.com/watch

Few games can handle this many people in one area.

This guy is using Fraps at the same time as playing this game.  Everyone knows what happens to your FPS when you use Fraps.  Game developers need to learn how to build game engines like the game in the video.  Even WoW cant handle 200+ players in one area without bogging down.

 

Wait a minute.

You're the same Zeno who posted this thread in "The Pub", right?
Click Here

In that thread you declare it "setting a record" with 800 people in one area with "no lag".

In this thread you're stating it's 100 vs 100...

Is your math that poor that you believe 100+100=800, or are you just putting up random numbers that sound good at the time, yet referencing the same video in each one?

And, FFS... would you stop saying there's "no lag"? There is lag all over the place in that video, and it's not only because they're using Fraps. I've recorded in-game footage using Fraps before as well, during events with many people present. It affects the frame-rate, but it's never introduced lag that wasn't already there.

And, once again.. There is no point in that video where there's anything resembling even 200 people in the same area, much less 800 as you claim in your other thread.

I'm really curious about something...

Why is it that DF is the only MMO (that I'm aware of anyway) whose fans are so persistent in making claims of hundreds of people PvPing in one spot, when the videos themselves never reveal more than 60 or so at a time?

Other fans (we all know who they are) love to make blanket comments, such as stating no other MMO delivers such mass PvP. Even when examples are given time and again to the contrary, the fans respond to continuously moving the goal-post, with lame rationalizations like, "oh, well, Eve has mass PvP, but it's in outer-space, so they don't have terrain or trees to render so it doesn't count..." /facepalm Do you people seriously believe half of the nonsense you come up with?

It's like non-stop lies on top of spin on top of more lies with this game. Tasos gives some BS line about the game, the fans run with it and offer some BS claim to support it, linking to a video they claim "proves" 300+, 800+, 2000+ people "in one area without lag"... and in every case, it never stacks up. People call them out on it, and they respond by... doing what? Posting a new thread some time later, claiming an even greater number of people PvP'ing "with no lag".

I mean seriously... What gives?




 

I blame MTV and the Real World.  Silly kids.  Reality TV is not real.  There, I said it.

(Agree with you 100% WSI)

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I am reading a lot of posts here saying that DF is not all that great with seiges and with my limited gaming experience I honestly dont know how many games have sieges in them at all..
 

could we have a list? is it Shadobane and plantside? is that the complete list or do we want to also put in UO...lol

You are asking for this, how sad

(1) In DAoC 100 vs 100 is common daily business.  During weekends, we easily see a few groups or 100+ stationing around gates ready to stop the other side passing thru, be attacked or ambush.  Patrols of teams are so common, sometimes we have to find a clear route to patrol without running to our own people left and right.  DAoC in its heydays, 4 years ago, make your little DF look pathetic.

(2) In SWG, fighting in major cities can go beyond 100s.  SWG is such a rich game with player driven content, it totally eclipse the macro against a wall DF gameplay.  True interpersonal interaction, from harvester to unique producers with weekly new recipes, to merchants to true player houses you can place ANYWHERE, and the list goes on.  The great PVP is just an ice topping on a fabulous game, so SWG gamers do not need to club each other silly as the only way to enjoy the game.  DF gamers have only envy when looking at SWG gameplay before SoE screwed up royally.

(3) Right from the start, open world PVP in WoW easily exceed 100s.  Barren cross road fights, Tarren mills change of hand.  Any of these easily brings hundreds from both sides, even for non-pvp servers.  WG with more than 2 raid groups per side is not something new, and with all the machines and stuffs, they are more fun than 100 persons bashing a wall with maces.

The list runs on.  But number is not important, quality is.

All the games above were classic games, with hundred of thousands of people played, enjoyed and many of us having blissful memory even after leaving the game.  Talk to many DAoC, SWG vets, they love their game.  The many activities to do inside game, the good community, the many guilds that left server and stay intact moving to other games.  That is gaming.

Look at DF, a bunch of obnoxious rejects trying to hurt each other, poor community, cheaters, hackers, bad mouthing unruly kids, spinning lying, hurling insults.  That is called game?  Enjoyment?  Paying and investing valuable game hours in such form of activities?  LOL, I still have some sanity left to resist such suggestion

DF is nothing but a pathetically implemented half ass pvp game, with only limited form of gameplay.  From macroing or cheating to level skills in a poorly design skill system, to cheating in order to win pvps, to beating up a wall using mace (oh how realistic and hardcore that is, why not beat it up with your helm and your head, that looks more hardcore).  Such silly gameplay pales compares with the masterly implementation from UO to DAoC to SWG which are 4+ years ago.  And those are not pvp seige games.  Planetside, WW2OL, SB, these are true pvp games and they pulls away from DF even more.  Nothing DF offers now we have not experienced 4+ years ago, in a much better way.  Nothing DF managed to offer now attracts us.  Everything DF exhibits, in turn are obnoxious and ridiculous, from developer to gameplay to community.

You enjoy DF, fine, nothing to do with me.  Tell us that you find the gameplay marvelous, fine, that just might tell us how inexperienced you are with the better things there once were.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by -Zeno-

www.youtube.com/watch

Few games can handle this many people in one area.

This guy is using Fraps at the same time as playing this game.  Everyone knows what happens to your FPS when you use Fraps.  Game developers need to learn how to build game engines like the game in the video.  Even WoW cant handle 200+ players in one area without bogging down.

 

Wait a minute.

You're the same Zeno who posted this thread in "The Pub", right?
Click Here

In that thread you declare it "setting a record" with 800 people in one area with "no lag".

In this thread you're stating it's 100 vs 100...

Is your math that poor that you believe 100+100=800, or are you just putting up random numbers that sound good at the time, yet referencing the same video in each one?

And, FFS... would you stop saying there's "no lag"? There is lag all over the place in that video, and it's not only because they're using Fraps. I've recorded in-game footage using Fraps before as well, during events with many people present. It affects the frame-rate, but it's never introduced lag that wasn't already there.

And, once again.. There is no point in that video where there's anything resembling even 200 people in the same area, much less 800 as you claim in your other thread.

I'm really curious about something...

Why is it that DF is the only MMO (that I'm aware of anyway) whose fans are so persistent in making claims of hundreds of people PvPing in one spot, when the videos themselves never reveal more than 60 or so at a time?

Other fans (we all know who they are) love to make blanket comments, such as stating no other MMO delivers such mass PvP. Even when examples are given time and again to the contrary, the fans respond to continuously moving the goal-post, with lame rationalizations like, "oh, well, Eve has mass PvP, but it's in outer-space, so they don't have terrain or trees to render so it doesn't count..." /facepalm Do you people seriously believe half of the nonsense you come up with?

It's like non-stop lies on top of spin on top of more lies with this game. Tasos gives some BS line about the game, the fans run with it and offer some BS claim to support it, linking to a video they claim "proves" 300+, 800+, 2000+ people "in one area without lag"... and in every case, it never stacks up. People call them out on it, and they respond by... doing what? Posting a new thread some time later, claiming an even greater number of people PvP'ing "with no lag".

I mean seriously... What gives?




 

That is reinforcment behaviour.
 

DF stinks we all know.  The few who bought it and invest their final drop of ego in it, cannot let go.  They need to feel they are right, they need us to acknowlege they are right.  To praise them.  We didn't.

So like crybabies, they come to plea to yell to cry to smash things in front of us, trying to get that one occasional approval.  The harder we resist their plea, the more they will come back with tears and misbehaviour.

Just tell them "Yes DF is best ever on earth, go play".  They will leave us in peace, finally.  RIP DF and its kind, you are the best and most unique in history.  See you around , ever, err missing "n", it should read never.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I am reading a lot of posts here saying that DF is not all that great with seiges and with my limited gaming experience I honestly dont know how many games have sieges in them at all..
 

could we have a list? is it Shadobane and plantside? is that the complete list or do we want to also put in UO...lol

At least you can admit you are ignorant of past games and the experiences they had to offer. Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) came out in 2001 and was a remarkable game. Which coined the phrase "Realm vs Realm... in which there were three at war with each other.

HERE was the first generic video found on YouTube... as you can see they are seiging a castle....  but look threw some of them, I'm sure you'll find much bigger and more interesting battles.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I am reading a lot of posts here saying that DF is not all that great with seiges and with my limited gaming experience I honestly dont know how many games have sieges in them at all..
 

could we have a list? is it Shadobane and plantside? is that the complete list or do we want to also put in UO...lol

If we're speaking of sieges in particular and not just PvP in general:
- Lineage 2 - You siege for castles, fortresses and recently they added territory wars.
- Shadowbane - Banes for the control of a city (though it's going offline)
- Archlord - siege for control of a castle
- Age of Conan has city sieges,
- Planetside is for control over specific command points if I remember right (been a looong time since I last played that)
- Anarchy Online has tower battles, which provide bonuses to the faction of those controlling it.
- Dark Age of Camelot - Realm vs. Realm for control over "keeps", which then make way for access to "relics", which bring bonuses to who ever controls them

And I know I've seen others, but I'm drawing a blank on their names atm.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by -Zeno-

www.youtube.com/watch

Few games can handle this many people in one area.

This guy is using Fraps at the same time as playing this game.  Everyone knows what happens to your FPS when you use Fraps.  Game developers need to learn how to build game engines like the game in the video.  Even WoW cant handle 200+ players in one area without bogging down.

 

Wait a minute.

You're the same Zeno who posted this thread in "The Pub", right?
Click Here

In that thread you declare it "setting a record" with 800 people in one area with "no lag".

In this thread you're stating it's 100 vs 100...

Is your math that poor that you believe 100+100=800, or are you just putting up random numbers that sound good at the time, yet referencing the same video in each one?

And, FFS... would you stop saying there's "no lag"? There is lag all over the place in that video, and it's not only because they're using Fraps. I've recorded in-game footage using Fraps before as well, during events with many people present. It affects the frame-rate, but it's never introduced lag that wasn't already there.

And, once again.. There is no point in that video where there's anything resembling even 200 people in the same area, much less 800 as you claim in your other thread.

I'm really curious about something...

Why is it that DF is the only MMO (that I'm aware of anyway) whose fans are so persistent in making claims of hundreds of people PvPing in one spot, when the videos themselves never reveal more than 60 or so at a time?

Other fans (we all know who they are) love to make blanket comments, such as stating no other MMO delivers such mass PvP. Even when examples are given time and again to the contrary, the fans respond to continuously moving the goal-post, with lame rationalizations like, "oh, well, Eve has mass PvP, but it's in outer-space, so they don't have terrain or trees to render so it doesn't count..." /facepalm Do you people seriously believe half of the nonsense you come up with?

It's like non-stop lies on top of spin on top of more lies with this game. Tasos gives some BS line about the game, the fans run with it and offer some BS claim to support it, linking to a video they claim "proves" 300+, 800+, 2000+ people "in one area without lag"... and in every case, it never stacks up. People call them out on it, and they respond by... doing what? Posting a new thread some time later, claiming an even greater number of people PvP'ing "with no lag".

I mean seriously... What gives?




 

Nubs new to the genre posting. They do not know any better. They also think having a poorly implemented specular mapping is some form of cell shading.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Nubs new to the genre posting. They do not know any better. They also think having a poorly implemented specular mapping is some form of cell shading.

it's cel-shading, not cell-shading.

darkfall's specular highlighting is high-quality... in fact their whole lighting systems is top-notch.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I am reading a lot of posts here saying that DF is not all that great with seiges and with my limited gaming experience I honestly dont know how many games have sieges in them at all..
 

could we have a list? is it Shadobane and plantside? is that the complete list or do we want to also put in UO...lol

 

If we're speaking of sieges in particular and not just PvP in general:
- Lineage 2 - You siege for castles, fortresses and recently they added territory wars.
- Shadowbane - Banes for the control of a city (though it's going offline)
- Archlord - siege for control of a castle
- Age of Conan has city sieges,
- Planetside is for control over specific command points if I remember right (been a looong time since I last played that)
- Anarchy Online has tower battles, which provide bonuses to the faction of those controlling it.
- Dark Age of Camelot - Realm vs. Realm for control over "keeps", which then make way for access to "relics", which bring bonuses to who ever controls them

And I know I've seen others, but I'm drawing a blank on their names atm.

sieges...

EVE ONLINE.

Why does javac keept digging up old threads?
Shill much?

Originally posted by Fariic

Why does javac keept digging up old threads?
Shill much?

He must be having a Sybil moment?