Originally posted by LordFI

Originally posted by Pugla

The counter has been removed, and this site now says "I'm done here"

 

Hmmmm, why didn't Agricola announce that?!?  So quick to jump on the bad news but never willing to talk about the good.  Why do some people want others to fail so badly?  I realize that the counter being removed means nothing (I have not idea if they are current on their payroll), I'm just pointing out how badly this dude wants SGW to fail (or at least how much he likes drama).

I undesrstand where you're coming from but I look at it this way, no matter what I want CME has failed. Team Whiting has failed and SGW is not going to hit the market unless the dead flesh is cut off this project and someone else comes along and allows it to continue properly.

Conflict allows change, without conflict the status quo remains and nothing changes. Why didn't I jump on it? I have a good idea of the circumstances around the site closing, though I'm not 100% certain. So I'd rather not comment on the reason why it closed and the meaning behind that message. All I know is that it certainly isn't positive, and it isn't funny to watch CME employees and their families suffering because of a buching of egotistical, incompetent, pricks being lead by a boss with galloping meglomania.

I think every single employee at CME should just say "I'm done here" and find another job. Flipping burgers pays better than MMOGULs memberships, false hope and bullshit any day! The sooner team Whiting goes the sooner we can either close this sad chapter in the MMORPG industry or get on with completeing a game I'd like to play.

I tried to access the website today and it took me here: http://www.webs.com/abuseFrozen.htm

Originally posted by Pugla

I tried to access the website today and it took me here: http://www.webs.com/abuseFrozen.htm

Looks like Gary must have threatened the webmaster.

I think it's far more likely that this is a standard process when the owner stops subscribing for a page. It was taken down by the owner sometime before 5/10, and I bet payment has lapsed.

Originally posted by Zhiroc

I think it's far more likely that this is a standard process when the owner stops subscribing for a page. It was taken down by the owner sometime before 5/10, and I bet payment has lapsed.

Why would it say "abuse" rather than "non-payment/expired" like most other sites do when you don't pay then?

Laziness? :)

In any case, there's been nothing on the site for a month now (I presume, though I suppose something might have been put up inappropriately, either with or without the (former) owner's permission).

Bummer, I followed that website to help find out whether my husband was going to get paid or not :(   They seemed to give information in a more timely fashion.

It's seriously has been since the end of March since anyone at CME was paid and it's a real struggle.
 

Hmm, webs.com offers free web space, though one can buy premium subscriptions. I'm not sure which this site used, as I have an ad-blocker that works pretty well, so I can't tell whether there were ads on it or not.

Perhaps that is ithe page one gets if you cancel a site... dunno.

And... if an automated counter gives one better info than management... that's pretty telling, though not surprising when it comes to CME ;-)

Originally posted by Zhiroc

In any case, there's been nothing on the site for a month now

Actually, the front page was still getting text updates. The most recent I saw said no pay through the 5/22 pay period and gave a number of weeks. It also advised employees to file those back pay grievances. I wonder if urging people to take legal action is what got it wiped off?

So, it came back again after the "I'm done here" posting? That's about when I stopped paying attention.

Whoa... a spouse posted on the official forums, and the reaction she got left me speechless.

I'm certainly one to caution not buying everything that is posted, but skepticism should not come out so quickly as vitriol.

And yes, I did look around (as she suggested, even), and found some corroborating data that points to which employee is her spouse. And no, I think I'll not make that explicit.

It's really sad to see CME's death spiral taking so many with it.

It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch.

However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums.

Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!

Originally posted by Agricola1

It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch.

However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums.

Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!

There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.

I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others.  We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.

If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.

Originally posted by sancher36

Originally posted by Agricola1

It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch.

However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums.

Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!

There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.

I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others.  We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.

If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.

I agree, but the facts are that the SGW moderators are very selective in applying the RoC on the official forums. If their friends are abusing or making personal attacks they turn a blind eye to it and allow it to continue up until a point it becomes far to exruciatingly painfull for even them to tolerate, then they lock the thread. No bans, no suspensions at most they delete the embarassing posts.

For the most part they will leap upon anyone questioning CME and their managment of the game, deleting the post as spam or locking the thread ASAP and moving it to the nether regions of the forums never to be seen again. It's like having a football match between Chelsea and Liverpool, then recruiting all the linesmen and referee from the crowd of Chelsea supporters. Chelsea score an own goal but each time the referee calls a hand ball against Liverpool and disallows the goal. Liverpool score and he gets called offside, the player argues and it's a yellow card. He refuses to accept the blatantly bias Refs decision, red card. That is the SGW forums, and it's CMEs fault since they've had a self imposed "media blackout" for seven months now and there is nothing left to do but speculate on the state of the company. What else is there left to talk about? Even Michael Shanks said the game is failing and they leapt on him and according to the fan faithfull Michael Shanks is an arrogant drunk that hates talking to fans and hates conventions and even hates Stargate because it has type cast him, oh and he's a crap actor anyway. Brad Wright has done nothing to help the Stargate franchise and hates the fans because SGA has been cancelled, and he knows nothing. None of that gets moderated or stopped because they both said SGW is dead, personal attacks galore and encouraged by the MODs who decided not to enforce the RoC.

But one woman who has a husband working there is angry because her child has no health insurance, husband hasn't been paid in three months and the house is going into foreclosure. Well it's OK to slag her off too, but when it starts getting to embarrassing time to enforce the RoC and lock it with no bans for those abusers. But question Gary Whiting and his link to *****s oh sorry MMOGULs (the word is censored on the official forums) and immediate wipe and probably ban. If I asked on the official AoC forums about Funcom and its links to MMOGULs they'd laugh, wouldn't even lock the thread. MMOGULs isn't a censored word on their forums, but if I made personal attacks and abuse towards developers partners or actors in the movies I'd get an eventual suspension leading to a ban. That's the difference, AoC maybe wank but atleast they don't employ fanbois as moderators and let them run rampant abusing other members that don't agree with their point of view!

have you ever considered the moderators are given guidlelines they have to follow.

Really I think your giving the moderators a hassle not because of what they do, but what they have done in the past, Personally I think they are told what to do, what the moderators are told to keep as guidelines, and follow them, since they are working for cme/firesky they cannot decide of the top of their own head what is and isnt allowed.  Really, thinking the mods decide the rules is completely and utterly wrong, the moderators will moderate within they guidelines they have been given.

Unless you think that they run the whole show??? then your showing your nievity there.  They will just be following orders, making a personal attack on a moderator is pretty low thing to do, as you know they cannot in all truth answer back, you may have opinions but really I think your throwing your frustration at the wrong people.

Originally posted by yellowperil

have you ever considered the moderators are given guidlelines they have to follow.

Really I think your giving the moderators a hassle not because of what they do, but what they have done in the past, Personally I think they are told what to do, what the moderators are told to keep as guidelines, and follow them, since they are working for cme/firesky they cannot decide of the top of their own head what is and isnt allowed.  Really, thinking the mods decide the rules is completely and utterly wrong, the moderators will moderate within they guidelines they have been given.

Unless you think that they run the whole show??? then your showing your nievity there.  They will just be following orders, making a personal attack on a moderator is pretty low thing to do, as you know they cannot in all truth answer back, you may have opinions but really I think your throwing your frustration at the wrong people.

I didn't say that they make the rules once in my post, I did say that they are very selective in enforcing those rules. For your information mods have been answering back and some have become quite vocal and abusive alongside DEVs now mocking those posting on the forums "You guys are awesome... I have so many things I want to say right now but I am laughing in hysteria at the moment

I wish i could live in your world" (Khestral).

"I've just decided to put negative nancies on my ignore list. Sad that it should come to having to "ignore" someone in the forums, because if it really came to that then those sad sacks should have been banned a long time ago. But regardless, at the least I don't even have to look at their useless and immature drivel anymore. They can bait me and hate me and pick a fight all they want now, because they are talking to a brick wall.

I just feel sad for the newer members of forums, because the sad sacks aren't on their ignore lists, so the newer people have to put up with the negative smack and not know any better that the words of those people are lower than not worth hearing." (Sarizaddi, Roleplay guide). Not a very good post for a moderator, and he does have mod powers.

Do you still say it's just my opinion and I'm throwing frustration at the wrong people? My frustration is directed at CME for allowing these muppets to turn the SGW official forums into a wasteland populated by 10-20 people most being delusional fanbois encouraged by the muppets to abuse anyone who asks the wrong questions. Either that or I need to check my reading comprehension.

Looks like the page is back up again, under a new domain:

Given the current timer, it looks like they haven't been paid since March 26/27, now 82 days ago - so this is a second wave of no pay.

Question remains, how long can they last.

http://cme-skipped-payroll.com/

Originally posted by marmz

Question remains, how long can they last.

Not long

They are not doing well in the case reguarding their studio lease space

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=&FirstName=&bName=Cheyenne+Mountain+Enter

Its case Number=CV2008-021947 but direct links to case #'s don't seem to work, so click case # from that listing page.

""Motion for Ruling Against Defendant For Failure To Comply With May 6, 2009, Minute Entry "

I can't make much of that case. I guess I don't speak legalese lol.

What I do know is that talking about it hurts the feelings of all the CME employees according to tkksnow. If we would all ignore the truth and the bad things and stop hurting their feelings, the game would come out and blah blah. /sarcasm

I go on vacation and all hell breaks loose around here.    Here's some updated court stuff.  I do want to point out that some of the court cases are "pro per" meaning that they dont have a real attorney representing them.    Guess you have to pay the lawyers to get representation.  ha ha ha 

If only I had the energy to search the Utah courts too!

CME - Company
CV2008-021947   -  Chandler Freeway Crossing  (Office building they never finished building)
                                     Impact - Millions
CV2008-054942  -  Kinetik  (Web or marketing services) Impact - $20,000
CV2008-093738  -  V-2 Properties  (current office space??)  Impact - homeless developers
CV2009-003172  -  10 Capital Princess  (servers) - Impact - beta cancelled
CV2009-002287  -  Eutechnyx Limited (Racing game -- Rod's buddies?)  Impact - a few million?
CC2008-008158  -  JBA Enterprises
 

Gary Whiting - Entrepreneur (would love to type other stuff here)
CV2007-011672   -  have no clue, he was the plaintiff !  Guessing someone scamed 
                                    him for a change.
CV2008-025830  -  Kade Clinger/Blair Gardner (foreign judgements & protective orders!)
CV2008-093738  -  V-2 Properties again 
CV2009-091236  -  Kade Clinger/Gregg Chugg  vs. Gary & Eden Investments Properties 
                                   (jugements & fraud upon the court!)
CC2008-151010, CC2008-23310, CC2008-258050  -  Sun Valley Ranch Apartments - 
                                   guessing this was the CME apartment
CT2009-056513, CT2009-066311  -  Tickets!  Mr. Whiting likes to go fast.