Everyone can relate to Star Wars, even my uncle (75 years old) that doesnt know squat about sci-fi knows what Star Wars is. Star Wars is all around us.

Can you imagine if they came out with another Star Wars Movie like what they did with latest Star Trek Movie. Easy $$$$$$$$$

So if the game is truly fantastic at take off, you will see people drop whatever game they are playing and give SW: ToR a try. Either way, this game is going to gobble up box sales from the start even if it does suck.

I think at this point the game will easily take 500k+ digital downloads (if any) / box sales from the start.

We got about 6.7 billion peeps in this world. 10 million that play WoW, 40+ million that play Myspace / Facebook applications from Mafia Wars to Yoville for free and yes, its a mass multi online experience with these applications.

We are in a different Era of gaming and alot of the Generation now is growing up with Star Wars: Clone Wars (Ages 3 on up) and a computer in their pocket.

We all know this game is the next big one and its got a great company named Bioware supporting it. This will be the big one of 2010 hands down.

However if it does flop, this will be the most truly disappointing game of the decade.

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

Originally posted by Kyleran

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

damn young whipper snappers............

word.

However the star trek comparison is so so. There hasnt been a star trek movie since the early 90's until this one and it honestly hasnt been that long since star wars. both scenes will pull in some rev.

Originally posted by Kyleran

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

But they know about Star Wars is my point like my Uncle of 75 years.. Everyone knows Star Wars even if they dont take interest in it.

I am assuming that you introduced your kids to WoW since the game came out in 2004, so parental influence is a big factor as well. If the current SWG was as popular as WoW, I bet your kids would be playing too. But you know what they say when ppl assume.

Indeed everyone knows StarWars. I grew up with playing StarWars games and watching all the movies. My nephew who is 7 years old loves StarWars. Even if you don't like StarWars you know about StarWars.

Originally posted by Kyleran

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

You're raising them wrong.  J/K  Every 16 year old boy should watch A New Hope though.  It's one of the best "coming of age" films around.

Originally posted by aleos

word.

However the star trek comparison is so so. There hasnt been a star trek movie since the early 90's until this one and it honestly hasnt been that long since star wars. both scenes will pull in some rev.

Well the last Star Trek the Next Generation movie was shown in 2002 (Nemesis), so that has only been 7 years.

If your talking about the TOS of course, the last one was Star Trek: Undiscovered Country in 1991.

But TOS and Next Gen follow the same continuum as we know it, where as the new Star Trek Reboot was a Alternate Universe.

Off the record..

How about a Star Wars Reboot. Can you imagine Star Wars by JJ Abrams (Alternate Univserse). I am just using him as an example, I would probably fall asleep to a Peter Jackson version of Star Wars, but would be interesting. We all know JJ Abrams now has his hands full with Star Trek, but would be interesting to see another person besides George Lucas attempting a new ploy of Star Wars Saga.

Oh please, no. JJ Abrams is all pitchlines and no substance, he can't tell a meaningful story to save his life. And ironically for this thread, his Star Trek version was a disoriented and intellectually devoid Star Wars wannabe. Lucas may have lost his way in his convoluted plots and his reconstructionism but at least he was on top of the classic stuff that inspired Star Wars.

I agree Star Wars would need a fresh mind if it's going to keep going, but please, no Abrams. Let someone like China Mieville write it, now there's a risk worth taking! :) And then make David Fincher shoot it! :D

I found star wars to be pretty boring when i tried watching them, im 22 so i guess i fall out of that age category that apprecieates it. However I really liked KOTOR 1 and 2, i dontthink it had anything to dow ith the franchise star wars itself, it was just a great story and i liek the whole concept of the force, i always felt it would be great for MMOs.

will be interesting to see how they handle jedi and sith class.if they open the jedi and sith class to players i fail to see why gamers will pick other classes.will be boring to see a server full of jedi and sith only in a mmo.

but then i will still probably play and test TOR.but i have doubts it will do well in the long run.

Problem with an MMO based on an IP with a built in rabid fan-base is the tolerance for BS is real low. So while a large fan base is built in, the expectations are also that much higher. Easier to fail.

I think you have a point. While WoW is naked Night Elves, afro-gnomes, and Tauren punting said gnomes, it's pretty...geeky. However, Star Wars is something everyone has heard of, even if they don't like it. Furthermore, there have already been good Star Wars games, like someone mentioned: KoTOR in particular. So, the chances of the average person who is at all interested in Star Wars picking up this game are pretty good.

Sure, alot of pressure on Bioware. They seem like a respectable company, though, so I hope they pull it off.

Originally posted by lath

will be interesting to see how they handle jedi and sith class.if they open the jedi and sith class to players i fail to see why gamers will pick other classes.will be boring to see a server full of jedi and sith only in a mmo.

 

but then i will still probably play and test TOR.but i have doubts it will do well in the long run.

Bioware has already said that you will be able to play Jedi/Sith as a starting character. They have also said that neither classes will be the kind of uber that you see in the movies. Mainly because the fights you see in movies/books are between MAIN STORYLINE CHARACTERS. The character you make here isn't going to be one of those. There's a lot more force users around in this time period, it's thousands of years before the films.

Weak force users becoming Jedi/Sith wasn't uncommon, especially for the Sith. They would take those with a weak connection to the Force and train them as Marauders, basically Sith berserkers.

It has already been stated that the other classes will be balanced with any Jedi or Sith. Basically a trooper will stand just as much chance of killing a Sith as he would a bounty hunter.

Fans are fans of SW at a particular time period, if they don't realize this then they're morons and need to kill themselves. If they can't accept that being a Jedi/Sith -doesn't- make you uber then tough shit. I'm not sure I'll be playing TOR myself, but if I do I'll be playing something other than a Jedi or Sith. I'll enjoy killing them and making people QQ all over the place.

Originally posted by dhayes68

Problem with an MMO based on an IP with a built in rabid fan-base is the tolerance for BS is real low. So while a large fan base is built in, the expectations are also that much higher. Easier to fail.

Very good point!

SWG showed that point to be valid, for sure.

And the countless threads of witless imbeciles shall commence : "Lol jedi are supposed to be powerful, normal trooper is too strong " "I picked sith because they are badass, why is that bounty hunter able to kill me? I quit !"

Trust me, in a mainstream MMO, I am not sure they ll really be able to dodge that bullet, no matter how much sense it makes.

As a sidenote, do we actually require balance? From all we know, there wont be serious PvP anyway, at least not something requiring balance, and you run with NPCs in solo instances, Guild Wars style, most of the time anyway. So why the need to balance classes when there isnt really much content in which they compare?

Or did I miss something and we got definite info that they will, indeed, make group/raid/pvp based content as something other than a small percentage of a game tailored to soloists?

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by Kyleran

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

 

You're raising them wrong.  J/K  Every 16 year old boy should watch A New Hope though.  It's one of the best "coming of age" films around.

Unless it's a 16 year old boy in Arkansas. You know, with the whole sister kissing thing....

Originally posted by Khaunshar

And the countless threads of witless imbeciles shall commence : "Lol jedi are supposed to be powerful, normal trooper is too strong " "I picked sith because they are badass, why is that bounty hunter able to kill me? I quit !"

Trust me, in a mainstream MMO, I am not sure they ll really be able to dodge that bullet, no matter how much sense it makes.

 

As a sidenote, do we actually require balance? From all we know, there wont be serious PvP anyway, at least not something requiring balance, and you run with NPCs in solo instances, Guild Wars style, most of the time anyway. So why the need to balance classes when there isnt really much content in which they compare?

Or did I miss something and we got definite info that they will, indeed, make group/raid/pvp based content as something other than a small percentage of a game tailored to soloists?

I'm not sure about that. Even though they said they're focusing on the story aspect, the whole scenario and how it's being described is sounding a lot like WAR. Even though Mythic trademarked "RvR", I think we'll see something like that developing, though not in the same sense as Mythic does it of course. I want more info!

If they manage to please both the PvE/story crowd and the war-hungry PvP crowd (or come close, since many believe that's impossible!), I'm definitely gonna try this game out.

Originally posted by Khaunshar

 

 

As a sidenote, do we actually require balance? From all we know, there wont be serious PvP anyway, at least not something requiring balance, and you run with NPCs in solo instances, Guild Wars style, most of the time anyway. So why the need to balance classes when there isnt really much content in which they compare?

Or did I miss something and we got definite info that they will, indeed, make group/raid/pvp based content as something other than a small percentage of a game tailored to soloists?

Yes. You basically missed everything anyone who knows anything about the game has said, which isn't much. Assumption is the mother of all ****ups

Originally posted by Khaunshar

And the countless threads of witless imbeciles shall commence : "Lol jedi are supposed to be powerful, normal trooper is too strong " "I picked sith because they are badass, why is that bounty hunter able to kill me? I quit !"

Trust me, in a mainstream MMO, I am not sure they ll really be able to dodge that bullet, no matter how much sense it makes.

 

As a sidenote, do we actually require balance? From all we know, there wont be serious PvP anyway, at least not something requiring balance, and you run with NPCs in solo instances, Guild Wars style, most of the time anyway. So why the need to balance classes when there isnt really much content in which they compare?

Or did I miss something and we got definite info that they will, indeed, make group/raid/pvp based content as something other than a small percentage of a game tailored to soloists?

They definitly said Grouping, PVP and Raids will be in but they never said it would be on a small level. It was more in lines that we are still working those things out. So it is a wait and see game from this point.

I still can't understand as well why some people are still so shocked about jedi/sith being a starting class. This is not a game set in the time of the movies. There are plenty of force users on both sides and it was said even though your toon will not be a known character from that time, you will feel like you are the hero in the story. This was also said of every class that will be in the game.

As for this being a solo game. This is just not all correct.They said TOR will cater to all playstyles. Yes, you will have your own main personal story in which you can solo ,or use companions as well as group, that being taken from the E3 demo. Other than that,they said this will be a MMORPG thorugh and through, with the likes, of exploration, grouping, auctions, crafting, harvesting resources and pvp. I would say that while not being involved in your story, you will play out the game just like all others.

Frankly, every MMO that targets the mass market audience is going to have "all playstyles" written all over it. LotRO supposedly is for "all playstyles", but is primarily a solo game, where 90% of the content is made for one playstyle, and the rest gets some lip service, and in case of grouping, there are some leftovers plus a handful of short endgame instances.

So, forgive me for being cynical, but when I see that phrase, I just ignore it, because it frankly only means they are not comfortable telling anyone its not the game they are looking for.

The only definite thing I can find at this point, that isnt just generic, unprecise marketing blather, is the thing about story-driven, solo with NPC groups, which is a lot like KOTOR and KOTOR 2 anyway. I am fine with that, but so far all I hear are very small tidbits of actual information about stuff like PvP, Raids or Grouping, and a lot of evasive action taken in interviews.

The "everyone knows" stuff is just conjecture at this point, and you really dont need balance if you put PvP into a consequence-less minigame, or if you just have one bosslair raid that takes about 20 minutes (Hi LotRO), and all the while you can claim you got PvP and Raid content !

Either way, I am absolutely sure there will be a LOT of disgruntled players when they find out their jedi/sith is just another class, provided they do actually balance the classes unlike certain other Star Wars games, and can be killed by a Trooper... and I wouldnt be too sure that Bioware doesnt cave in and gives those classes, which are after all going to be an easy 80% of the playerbases main chars, a hefty bump. It is where their money comes from, and other games have done the same with far less incentive... just check out LotRO hunters, or WoW classic rogues, the popular SWG careers etc.

Balance is not required to make a game financially successful.

Originally posted by Kyleran

My son and his friends (16 year olds) have never watched a Star Wars movie thru the end and have no interest in the franchise at all.

But all have played WOW.

Not sure what sort of conclusion might be drawn from that.

Honestly all that means is that you and your family lives under a rock, WoW might be huge in the MMO world but it's only a precautionary tale in the rest of the world you only hear seldomly on the Trya Banks or Dr. Phil show.

SW on the other hand in today's world has neo-mytho status...kinda like Greek and Roman myths and how they  are with people still reading and talking about them today 2,000years after they were created.

Got anything else fresh to say??