It's funny how some people here give a few immature players so much weight when determining what games they enjoy, what clothes they wear, what foods they eat or how they interact with other people. I mean if they are such a powerful influence in determining what you do in life....you need to show them a little more respect...

Seriously, as long as there are tools in place to help you weed out  or tweak your social enjoyment of the game, then please....utilize them and take control of your life.

Are there immature players in WoW? Yes. Do they bother me at all? No. The ignore function is wonderful, and for example roleplaying realms host a much more 'refined', or should I call it 'contained' community.

While I do not welcome immature players into my personal gaming communities, they are abundant in nearly every game I play, you just have to deal with them, much like the real life jerks we all deal with every day.

Immature players ?

Dude it's human nature. You project your fears onto others. Take money for example . Some fear not having enough so in most cases when they want to bring someone down they use what they relate with.

Originally posted by highlands123

The only reason I ask is since seeing that cinematic trailer...and then reading all the post on the official TOR...talking smack about how the sith are going to dominate etc....the maturity level seems to be lacking..it reminds me of WOW. I am already thinking the safe way to play it is play a jedi as opposed to the sith since most of the comments were coming from future sith players. Right now I am playing LOTRO and the community seems much more mature compared to WOW, which is a huge plus. Everyone is talking about endgame with this game..well for me..community is a huge selling point.

 

So whats everyone thoughts on what the TOR community will be like?

The only thing that worries me more than a large base of immature players in an MMO is what strangers on the internet think.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Are there immature players in WoW? Yes. Do they bother me at all? No. The ignore function is wonderful, and for example roleplaying ralms host a much more 'refined', or should I call it 'contained' community.

While I do not welcome immature players into my personal gaming communities, they are abundant in nearly every game I play, you just have to deal with them, much like the real life jerks we all deal with every day.

The 3 WoW servers I mentioned in my last post were RP servers. (2 were RPPVP and 1 RPPVE).

And the /ignore function will work just that long, till it's so full of people and that the global chats turn into weird abacadabra chatter you cannot make anything out of anymore, because so much is been filtered away due to your extensive ignore list.

I can take in quite a lot and people have to go through great lenghts to end up on my ignore list.

But when my ignore list starts to grow to such an extend (never had that huge of ignore lists as in WoW)...and seeing your guild(s) fall apart, because people are getting fed up and annoyed of the server and quit the game.... then it becomes time to move on.

And like I said in my last posts. In SWG, EQ2 and LOTRO (and several other games like MxO, VG, CoX) I never ever had any problems at all.

If I had maybe a handful people in my ignorelist... then that was a lot. In LOTRO (I play on EU-RP Laurelin still today) I don't even have anyone on my ignore list.

Cheers

For games where there is a cushion in design, you have freedom and leeway to buffer yourself from these unwelcome members of the community.  Take WoW.

You can leave chat channels.  That way unless he is next to you and spam /say /yell, you are almost immune, add the setting to drop /say and /yell, and nothing will show up on your chat box.

You can bring some friends and enter an instance, that way all the unwelcome members of the community are gone, from your world.

Even if you are alone, you can quest, craft, harvest (you might run into them competing for nodes), fish ...  There are so much to do I wonder why I would worry about these people I do not want.

For some games, the freedom is less.  In PVP games or zones, they can attack you, in ffapvp games they can grief you.  In games with no content except ffa pvp (like DF) you have to live with them or unsub.  Now quality of game community matters, that is why I will not play DF, not for my life.  I despise the community of that game.

Until SW:ToR is launched, I will reserve my judgment.  Till then.

For the sake of clarification, I love SWG Pre-CU, the best game for me easily, apart from DAoC, my most adored.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by talamanthon

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by andredoc

You are worrying too much, just let it go.

Like said above, join a nice guild and enjoy the game.

 

And how is a guild going to help and prevent you from seeing your server full of Epeen L337 kiddies running around flexing with their light sabers?

It was the same as in WoW and why I just gave up on that game. There is no point.

As I still have to see the first MMO that can make asshats dissapear the moment you join a guild.

Sure you can dissable every global chat there is. But what's the point of playing an MMO then?

No, Bioware is clearly targeting their KOTR crowd (and along the way hoping to steal a good chunk of WoW kiddies) and that's what you gonna get.

Good luck with that.

Cheers

 

Guillermo Guillermo what are we gonna do with you? Andredoc was trying to help you in his own way with some friendly suggestions and you got all defensive on him. He actually tried to help you to see things a bit differently.

You're beggining to sound whiney. Look whatever your thinking is your opinion some of it is your personal bias some of it might be fact. 

Let me break it down to you like this. What do you wantt to accomplish on this forums talking about it?

Do you just want to vent or something?

 

You can see it whatever you like.

I have played too many MMO's to see the difference between one MMO specifically targetting a sertain audience and one MMO targeting and attracting a  more mature audience.

WoW, WAR and AoC for example attracted a lot of epeen kids, while SWG, EverQuest 2 and LOTRO for example didn't.

All I am saying is how I feel what is going to happen to this game. Seeing all the discussions over various forums and how people talk about it.

Joining a guild is always a good thing to improve your game experience. Not just in MMO's. In every online game.

But if your server is going to be overrun by Epeen L337 kiddies, then a guild isn't gonna help you make them dissapear.

I have witnessed this happening on 3 different servers in WoW.... 3 servers that were awesome in the first 3 - 6 months and went straight downhill afterwards.

These so called mature guilds (from wich I was part off) will start falling apart one by one...because people get fed up, not willing to be put up with the very immature atmosphere of the server... they either transfer away or quit the game.

While I never had these kind of problems in games like SWG, EQ2 and LOTRO.

Cheers

Look at my profile I played alot of MMO's in my day too...you don't see me bragging about it. 

Here's the deal Guillermo when you deal with the public you will get good folks and some not so good folks.

In every game I have played I always found one way or another mature adults to join up with in PUG's or in a guild/kinship.

Are they're tools in every MMO? Of course...that's like asking are they're mean people in the world? 

Some would say yes, some would say maybe and some will say no. See how that works? 

We all see things differently and everyone is at different developmental stages of their lives. 

You just gotta let it go it's not a battle worth losing sleep over...move on is sage advice. 

Originally posted by Orthedos

For games where there is a cushion in design, you have freedom and leeway to buffer yourself from these unwelcome members of the community.  Take WoW.

You can leave chat channels.  That way unless he is next to you and spam /say /yell, you are almost immune, add the setting to drop /say and /yell, and nothing will show up on your chat box.

You can bring some friends and enter an instance, that way all the unwelcome members of the community are gone, from your world.

Even if you are alone, you can quest, craft, harvest (you might run into them competing for nodes), fish ...  There are so much to do I wonder why I would worry about these people I do not want.

For some games, the freedom is less.  In PVP games or zones, they can attack you, in ffapvp games they can grief you.  In games with no content except ffa pvp (like DF) you have to live with them or unsub.  Now quality of game community matters, that is why I will not play DF, not for my life.  I despise the community of that game.

Until SW:ToR is launched, I will reserve my judgment.  Till then.

For the sake of clarification, I love SWG Pre-CU, the best game for me easily, apart from DAoC, my most adored.

The moment I have to dissable all chats and hide with a handful of friends inside a private instance... will be the day I stop playing MMO's.

The reason I play MMO's is to meet new people, join in into discussions in chats, have fun chatting away... join PuG's now and then.

That's the whole point of playing an MMO. Meeting people from all over the world.

If I want to isolate myself to just a handful friends around me... I can just go back to one of my old clans, fire up an FPS game with RPG mod and play with them on a private server.

Cheers

Every game has mature and immature players.  TBH I suspect both sides of the war will have their fair share of each.  I wouldn't put too much over-analysis into it.

There will be mature players on both sides and there will be immature players on both sides.  So... in short... play the side you wish to play.  It really won't matter because both will have both mature and immature members.  Deal with it as in any other MMO... block/squelch/mute the ones you can't stand and enjoy your time with the rest.

Simple solution to a problem that hasn't even surfaced yet.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Are there immature players in WoW? Yes. Do they bother me at all? No. The ignore function is wonderful, and for example roleplaying ralms host a much more 'refined', or should I call it 'contained' community.

While I do not welcome immature players into my personal gaming communities, they are abundant in nearly every game I play, you just have to deal with them, much like the real life jerks we all deal with every day.

 

The 3 WoW servers I mentioned in my last post were RP servers. (2 were RPPVP and 1 RPPVE).

And the /ignore function will work just that long, till it's so full of people and that the global chats turn into weird abacadabra chatter you cannot make anything out of anymore, because so much is been filtered away due to your extensive ignore list.

I can take in quite a lot and people have to go through great lenghts to end up on my ignore list.

But when my ignore list starts to grow to such an extend (never had that huge of ignore lists as in WoW)...and seeing your guild(s) fall apart, because people are getting fed up and annoyed of the server and quit the game.... then it becomes time to move on.

And like I said in my last posts. In SWG, EQ2 and LOTRO (and several other games like MxO, VG, CoX) I never ever had any problems at all.

If I had maybe a handful people in my ignorelist... then that was a lot. In LOTRO (I play on EU-RP Laurelin still today) I don't even have anyone on my ignore list.

Cheers

The smaller the game, the more intimate the community. But yes, different games attract different people. I do have to disagree greatly with you on SWG, my experience with the SWG community was horrible, I guess this was server specific as well.

It is also about perception, if you are losing interest in a game on a genereal level, yes the community will suddenly seem extremely infantile and annoying. It is all about what you let get to you really.

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by tillamook

That's why you join a guild of grown people who don't act like they are kids.

 

Perfect reply!!

+1

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Are there immature players in WoW? Yes. Do they bother me at all? No. The ignore function is wonderful, and for example roleplaying ralms host a much more 'refined', or should I call it 'contained' community.

While I do not welcome immature players into my personal gaming communities, they are abundant in nearly every game I play, you just have to deal with them, much like the real life jerks we all deal with every day.

 

The 3 WoW servers I mentioned in my last post were RP servers. (2 were RPPVP and 1 RPPVE).

And the /ignore function will work just that long, till it's so full of people and that the global chats turn into weird abacadabra chatter you cannot make anything out of anymore, because so much is been filtered away due to your extensive ignore list.

I can take in quite a lot and people have to go through great lenghts to end up on my ignore list.

But when my ignore list starts to grow to such an extend (never had that huge of ignore lists as in WoW)...and seeing your guild(s) fall apart, because people are getting fed up and annoyed of the server and quit the game.... then it becomes time to move on.

And like I said in my last posts. In SWG, EQ2 and LOTRO (and several other games like MxO, VG, CoX) I never ever had any problems at all.

If I had maybe a handful people in my ignorelist... then that was a lot. In LOTRO (I play on EU-RP Laurelin still today) I don't even have anyone on my ignore list.

Cheers

The smaller the game, the more intimate the community. But yes, different games attract different people. I do have to disagree greatly with you on SWG, my experience with the SWG community was horrible, I guess this was server specific as well.

It is also about perception, if you are losing interest in a game on a genereal leve, yes the community will suddenly seem extremely infantile and annoying. It is all about what you let get to you really.

Great post I totally agree regarding your perception of MMO communities!!

If all of the players from WoW came, it sure would make me want to play WoW :)

jk :P

i'm not worried at all
a) there will probably be a lot of servers
b) the game will probably cost money
c) people (notice i'm not saying kids, even though it could apply) with an intrest in Star Wars usually do it imaginatively. And i don't see much imagination nor innovation with the base of the "WoW Community"
d) i can always go and run away to a Euro server, they seem to be nicer sometimes :P
e) aspect of story and roleplay. This isn't WoW, and I have a feeling WoW type players will be ZomGOgohganrwekganTHIS SUCKS after one day and thus only people who are cool will play it. And if there's some drama, that's okay, it makes me more attatched to the community if you ask me.
 

Originally posted by Cypryss

Hate to break it to you bro but, those kids you are talking about. The ones from like wow and stuff. They play Alliance. Horde are not nuch different with college freshmen but lesser of  two evils i guess. Regardless of what this mmo will see as a player base i'm rolling a sith for the simple fact is that i know the power of the dark side and i kind of like it.

Sorry to break it to you but you're wrong, I've played both sides on pve and pvp servers, it's the same everywhere, no faction has more maturity than the other.

This rule applies to both sides: www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

You find a good guild with no jerks/retards in it on either faction and then you're set.

You don't? You get to pray you don't join the same group as the jerks/retards.

I welcome the WoW players, most know how to get shit done, not like the older players wanting to do their own thing (rep grinding is way more fun then raiding.. lawlzorz)

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Orthedos

For games where there is a cushion in design, you have freedom and leeway to buffer yourself from these unwelcome members of the community.  Take WoW.

You can leave chat channels.  That way unless he is next to you and spam /say /yell, you are almost immune, add the setting to drop /say and /yell, and nothing will show up on your chat box.

You can bring some friends and enter an instance, that way all the unwelcome members of the community are gone, from your world.

Even if you are alone, you can quest, craft, harvest (you might run into them competing for nodes), fish ...  There are so much to do I wonder why I would worry about these people I do not want.

For some games, the freedom is less.  In PVP games or zones, they can attack you, in ffapvp games they can grief you.  In games with no content except ffa pvp (like DF) you have to live with them or unsub.  Now quality of game community matters, that is why I will not play DF, not for my life.  I despise the community of that game.

Until SW:ToR is launched, I will reserve my judgment.  Till then.

For the sake of clarification, I love SWG Pre-CU, the best game for me easily, apart from DAoC, my most adored.

 

The moment I have to dissable all chats and hide with a handful of friends inside a private instance... will be the day I stop playing MMO's.

The reason I play MMO's is to meet new people, join in into discussions in chats, have fun chatting away... join PuG's now and then.

That's the whole point of playing an MMO. Meeting people from all over the world.

If I want to isolate myself to just a handful friends around me... I can just go back to one of my old clans, fire up an FPS game with RPG mod and play with them on a private server.

Cheers

Braveo, you are correct.

I do not usually turn off chat, I have thick skin, I can manually switch off my attention to unwelcome stuffs.

All I am saying is, there are games in which the mechanism allows more effective filtering, so that we can easily focus on games.  /ignore is an example.  No matter how much the guy walks to stalk and spam me, /ignore and click on port stone and I am forever free from him.  That is what a system provides to me as a tool.

Some games makes harassment and griefing much easier, while making it much harder to avoid them.  FFA PVP is an example.

That is what I am saying, not that I preach going solo mode on MMOs.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

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The smaller the game, the more intimate the community. But yes, different games attract different people. I do have to disagree greatly with you on SWG, my experience with the SWG community was horrible, I guess this was server specific as well.

It is also about perception, if you are losing interest in a game on a genereal leve, yes the community will suddenly seem extremely infantile and annoying. It is all about what you let get to you really.

I forgot the name of the server I was on.  My contact with them all the way from launch to introduction of grinds for jedi, is excellent.  The trading community, the harvest community, the merchants, ... that game is one of a kind.

There is some "a**hole" behaviour during the heat of the pvp moments, notably the massacre inside hospitals, the traps use to bait people into pvp, notably when the unflagged people are aoeing.  These are mild comparing with the bigger a**holes in many a ffa pvp game.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Hrothmund

....

The smaller the game, the more intimate the community. But yes, different games attract different people. I do have to disagree greatly with you on SWG, my experience with the SWG community was horrible, I guess this was server specific as well.

It is also about perception, if you are losing interest in a game on a genereal leve, yes the community will suddenly seem extremely infantile and annoying. It is all about what you let get to you really.

 

I forgot the name of the server I was on.  My contact with them all the way from launch to introduction of grinds for jedi, is excellent.  The trading community, the harvest community, the merchants, ... that game is one of a kind.

There is some "a**hole" behaviour during the heat of the pvp moments, notably the massacre inside hospitals, the traps use to bait people into pvp, notably when the unflagged people are aoeing.  These are mild comparing with the bigger a**holes in many a ffa pvp game.

I was on Eclipse Server in SWG pre-NGE. Sertainly one of the best servers back then with an awesome community.

Maybe you mean that one ;-)

Cheers

Originally posted by MindTrigger

This game was DESIGNED for that market in my opinion.  The only games that scare those types of people away are the ones that actually require thought and effort to play.  This game is specifically targeting the WoW themepark market with a huge intellectual property (Star Wars).  It appears to be the 'purist' solo-friendly theme-park game ever designed.  It will play more like a single player RPG game with co-op.  It will take what WoW did, and refine it down as far as possible.  It will be easy, and this will draw the people you don't want.

Pfff, have you ever played EvE online? The amount of asshats/1337 people there is just astonishing, even in high sec there is so much trash talk going on......

And as we all know in EvE scamming and baiting newbies is a common thing and is wanted by the devs and that attracts a lot of........... well scammers and not so nice people. How can the community in WoW be possible worse?
 

WoW has the best community IMO because theres plenty of people to play with and making great videos and stuff like that. Also you need abit of humour and immaturity because it can be really fun just to be silly and have a laugh in a game. When I played games like Lotro or EQ everyone was serious and boring and there was hardly anyone around...... it was boring.

Originally posted by Lumster

Originally posted by MindTrigger

This game was DESIGNED for that market in my opinion.  The only games that scare those types of people away are the ones that actually require thought and effort to play.  This game is specifically targeting the WoW themepark market with a huge intellectual property (Star Wars).  It appears to be the 'purist' solo-friendly theme-park game ever designed.  It will play more like a single player RPG game with co-op.  It will take what WoW did, and refine it down as far as possible.  It will be easy, and this will draw the people you don't want.

 

Pfff, have you ever played EvE online? The amount of asshats/1337 people there is just astonishing, even in high sec there is so much trash talk going on......

And as we all know in EvE scamming and baiting newbies is a common thing and is wanted by the devs and that attracts a lot of........... well scammers and not so nice people. How can the community in WoW be possible worse?
 

I hate EVE's community myself because everyone in chat was so hateful and the problem is you only really see people in chat because it's not like you meet with avatars and stuff.

I will be playing with guild mates who iv'e been playing with for past 4 years.

Don't have your gameplay ruined by idiots, play with your friends.

Don't fear the children (or emotionally immature adults)

You can make sure you surround yourself with like minded individuals and create the gaming experience you are looking for.

/ignore for all the rest.

Don't judge a game's community based on responses you see posted in forums, you know we're all a bunch of asshats here.

i rather that the old people from swg and other failed mmos that have no life stay away since theyr 100000000 times worse then kids on wow

There will be immature people in any game you play, this is fact. The best you can hope for in most games is that they congregate on one server. In this game, hope that they will all be Jedi and we Sith can come in and wipe them out.