Sorry to say but I can understand what you need assistance with in wow, even a 12 year old can figure it out anything in there. And its made for the most stupid persons also so that all can play the game and give all their savings to blizzard. So what was it that made you totally emo in wow?

Originally posted by patrikd23

Sorry to say but I can understand what you need assistance with in wow, even a 12 year old can figure it out anything in there. And its made for the most stupid persons also so that all can play the game and give all their savings to blizzard. So what was it that made you totally emo in wow?

Sorry to say but I can understand what you need assistance with MORE than just wow, even a 12 year old can figure out what was being discussed in this thread. And it's made for the most stupid persons also so that they can contribute to this thread. So what was it that you were really trying to say?

Originally posted by patrikd23

Sorry to say but I can understand what you need assistance with in wow, even a 12 year old can figure it out anything in there. And its made for the most stupid persons also so that all can play the game and give all their savings to blizzard. So what was it that made you totally emo in wow?

All their savings to blizzard? 15$ a month and 50$ every year and an half... men that's going crazy on the spending....

Anyway, that was off topic. He was talking about the community's general attitude, not how convenient the game is to play.

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Originally posted by patrikd23
Sorry to say but I can understand what you need assistance with in wow, even a 12 year old can figure it out anything in there. And its made for the most stupid persons also so that all can play the game and give all their savings to blizzard. So what was it that made you totally emo in wow?

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Wow, look at that, a post that has been made so many times a 12yo could have copied and pasted it from anywhere!

The usual rant that mixes up accessibility with ease and playability with with simplicity. Time and time again there is the same old rants about the game being full of small children and time and time again the average age surveys show a different story.

To be fair a 12yo could play any MMO on the market, my lads were playing management games from the age of 7 with a little help, kids are a lot smarter these days in comparison, but this isn't the debate in hand.

Some of the people with the worst attitudes are not necessarily the youngest players as is borne out by some of the posters on these forums or any other forum for that matter.

I hate to completely agree with the statements about the WoW community.

Although many attribute it to the casual playstyle of the game I say this is indirectly true.

I think the issue has more to do with the sheer popularity of this game, I don't know about you, but in my first MMO a long time ago I did not know how to behave in groups of other people.  But back then MMOs in general were much harder so I had to learn fast player etiquete as it was an unspoken requirement to even reaching endgame content.

Obviously this is not the case, and even though I do enjoy the fact that I can play WoW with friends and family that less adept at gaming then me now, it gets tiring having to put up with ignorant strangers that simply can get away with saying/doing anything to people and continue to progress through content without repercussions.

Also I don't even want to think that bad additude of the WoW community is debateable, simply look at their official forums. I don't like the developers much, but I honestly do feel bad of all the nasty things people say and that they have to put up with.

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Originally posted by BigBadWolfe

Also I don't even want to think that bad additude of the WoW community is debateable, simply look at their official forums. I don't like the developers much, but I honestly do feel bad of all the nasty things people say and that they have to put up with.

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But how is this any different from real life in any way what so ever? We see and meet people every day that we don't like, we see people who cheat and lie prosper where honest people struggle to make a living and rude, annoying yobs hanging around shouting and swearing just to annoy passing people!

Do we just lock ourselves in our houses and never go out because we may meet a few of these things we don't like, no, of course we don't, we get on with our lives and live it our own way avoiding as many of these people as we can. The same goes for Wow or any other MMO for that matter and that is you get on and play the game the way you want to play it alongside people you get on with or trust and brush aside the annoyances.

I won't allow anyone to tell me how to live my life and i am damned sure i won't allow a few toe rags to force me out of a game i enjoy playing!

 This is a long running saga just like the threads starting with X game is going to destroy WOW. The WOW community is childish, they are noobs blah blah blah etc etc etc.  WOW just has more of everything because it has the most players it is as simple as that. It even has an ignore function that works quite well. I think OP you must be the guy who sits in the back at the partry watching everyone else having fun.  If your saying everyone playing WOW is like that i'd sit and look in the mirror because the problem may just be yourself.

 Does anyone want to make any creative comments on the game or does it always have to be these same generic threads!

Originally posted by geekgamer

Ever got kicked from a instance group because your a pro healer and the tank is really not a tank?

One ret pally at lv70 was the tank for UK with only 7081hp and i was the 70 holy pally with plenty of mana that the group never needs to stop and wait.So he goes in and trys to take aggro when hes not even prot spec and wipes himself before i can even heal.Hes always the first person to get killed,and has the lowest hp in the group.

 

So we tried it a secound time with me keep healing him and the party,he doesnt keep aggro and all the mobs kill the casters first the blames the healer-me when hes the one who dies in 3 shots.He gives a wow gj and kicks me out of all people from the group.

 

Wierd part is he wasnt the first leader,my friend was (who he was a skilled hunter) he gave lead within the middle of the dungeon.What gave him the right to kick me when its not his group?My firend replys "nothing i can do now he says you just fail at healing".He pst me later within 10 or so minutes saying "we got a nother healer but it still got a wipe,everyone is now blameing the tank".

Its the community of WoW that makes me real sick but thats not stoping me from quiting,im just going to have to live with these FAIL boats.

I am a pro pally  healer as well.  Names Lymbo on Uldaman server. Alliance.

I know this story all too well.  It doesn't bother me though when I get kicked from a group that has players that don't know there stuff.  The whole group, your friend included, are complete retards.  Anyone with any skill would had laughed at a tank with 7K hp in a Heroic.  LMAO.

I was playing in a rp-pvp EU realm named Defias Brotherhood since vanilla wow. I agree 100 % at least from my personal expirience.  There is no comparison about the quality of ppl that played in this realm then ----> now.

And i mean quality in both playerskill and player attitude. For some weird reason i noticed a small change in BC expansion not big and so noticable but the things are quite worst now with wotlk. What i mean? Well ppl are more aggresive and hostile and i mean ppl of the same faction,they can curse u without any serious reason,they try to cheat ppl in same party e.t.c.

The only reasons i can think off are these:

1.Simple a view of our times. When u look back to older aged ppl 1960,1970,80's 90's e.t.c. u can say that ppl were more gentle ,less criminality,more friendly e.t.c. Newer genres are for some reason more aggresive,unfriendly and i can tell that by just noticing behaviors from 18 year kids in real life while i remember how things were when i was 18 (12 y ago). Thats a symptom of our society not just wow's but since wow affairs with social interaction it s also affected ofc.

2.In wow when years are passing older guys that play wow ,with more uhm stable mind are leaving wow ,and new players 12-14 y old are joining the wow community with everything that can go along( maturity).

3.Blizzard in my opinion has its share of responsibility on this matter by doing the following things:

a. Things in vanilla wow concerning 5 men instancing and raids were diferrent demanding from the player side skill and more concetration ,in both pve and pvp  and player was actually focusing in order to help its party finish the dungeon or win a bg ..Now blizz in wotlk made things much easier and all u see in instances raids in hardcore nuking without watching things like aggro etc all classes can hard ash nuke e.t.c.

b.After a certain point blizzard deside to unite the ballegrounds (x-bg's) greately engouraging the retarditity ,in behavior from teh players side. I ll explain this in vanilla wow in all bg's it was defia allies vs defias hordes and upon joinign a battleground u were fighthing with allies from your own server only . If a player was just farming honor kills instead of playing with team spirit in order to win the battleground=more honour for everyone there were consequences for the player that was missbehaving or active like a retard ,others were ignoring him ,or they simply wouldnt invite him to premade bg's in the future ,u were actually building your name throught your playstyle. Now bg's are comletely screwed conerning quality since the players are from diferent servers and most of them dont care about cooperation and team spirit. Its the quality vs quantity. More bg's less quality. As it was in vanilla wow the teamplay and spirit was encouraged now ,it s not.

c. The neverending race for epiqz /loot i believe is making players bit more aggresive and stressed. Things were always the same in all expansions and pre BC but in vanilla wow with a simple commander set u were ok in both pve and pvp matters,u were doing decent healing and dmg to also help in raids, pve epiqs were better ofc but i remember ppl weilding a 58 lvl blue 2 handed axe ,or even a 52 lvl epiq sword (destiny) they were quite dangerous in pvp situations.For avery long time i was weilding a 53 lvl green 2 handed axe which was extremely slow allowing me to doing serious melee dmg  as a hunter. I remember once i managed to win in a duel  a 60 lvl marshal mage in melee only with my hunter. What i mean by that is that there were many things then to try ,to discover encouraging the creativity from the player's side ,now all are restricted and guided by the forums. Rogues must do this, warriors will do this and after that e.t.c.  Restriction vs creativity  :/

I dont buy this "a casual player base is nicer/better/less envious at all. It sounds logical, but that doesnt make it true, and frankly, I have experienced the polar opposite too often now.

A casual playerbase brings with it sorts of behaviour that a more engaged (not necessarily hardcore, but people who care) playerbase does not have.

I played WoW from its launch day up to Sunwell, then came back for WotLK and quit after having cleared everything about 2 months in. Same server, many of the same people for BC and WOTLK, and a first generation classic server up to BC.

Difference is huge. The more casual crowd is far more item-addicted, far more impatient, far less socially capable. Its a bunch of egoists on a me-me-me trip running around in many cases ,and that behaviour was far more rare in BC, and didnt exist in Classic.

There are upsides to a casual playerbase, but average behaviour is not one of them. I just have seen dozens of examples counter that argument.

i understand completely. it is bad. seems like its gettin worse everyday. a big example is all the "anal" links people love to do in trade chat. and never ask a question or ask for help. yes, most of the time, u will b answered in a whisper. but i guarantee u will get all kinds of crap on the chat channel.

i love the way people say "just find a good guild and nice people to play with". truth is, it doesnt matter. even if you're not directly involved with the crap going on in chat, its still there. i hate going into major cities just for that reason.

the best community ive run across as far as being helpful and friendly (even to noobs) is lotro and cox. both have great communities. wow's community, on the other hand, has been so bad as to make me log off just cus im tired of seeing it. no, it shouldnt bother me and i know i should ignore it, but there are somedays you just dont want to put up with that crap. i still play wow although my play time is reducing weekly as im gettin tired of all the immature personalities.

Originally posted by geekgamer

Ever got kicked from a instance group because your a pro healer and the tank is really not a tank?

One ret pally at lv70 was the tank for UK with only 7081hp and i was the 70 holy pally with plenty of mana that the group never needs to stop and wait.So he goes in and trys to take aggro when hes not even prot spec and wipes himself before i can even heal.Hes always the first person to get killed,and has the lowest hp in the group.

 

So we tried it a secound time with me keep healing him and the party,he doesnt keep aggro and all the mobs kill the casters first the blames the healer-me when hes the one who dies in 3 shots.He gives a wow gj and kicks me out of all people from the group.

 

Wierd part is he wasnt the first leader,my friend was (who he was a skilled hunter) he gave lead within the middle of the dungeon.What gave him the right to kick me when its not his group?My firend replys "nothing i can do now he says you just fail at healing".He pst me later within 10 or so minutes saying "we got a nother healer but it still got a wipe,everyone is now blameing the tank".

Its the community of WoW that makes me real sick but thats not stoping me from quiting,im just going to have to live with these FAIL boats.

One or two episodes like you just described does not make a community of WoW. This scenario is common to all games. Personally, I find WoW community to be a fairly decent one, especially at the higher levels. Sure, sometimes tanks suck and they blame healers (or vise versa) buts not an indication of the community. People tend to overgeneralize and judge the whole server or even the game bsed on few separate incidents. No offense, but thats a bit selfish.

About chat abuse, thats why you just ignore trade chit chat. people get bored, are too young or are on trial accounts so they do not care about what they say. Again, that is common for any game where there is a trial involved.

I still can't figure out why people are so sensitive about children's behaviour. If you are too sensitive to the online experience, then you should stick with single player games. I am sorry you had a bad experience, I hope your next game will bring you a more pleasing experience with its community.

Of all the games I have played (no, it does not include Darkfall), I found World of Warcraft to have the most immature player base.  When I was around (last November-January), I could not count the number of times I've been begged for money -- including by someone level-20ish who later told me he had made 450 gold just by begging, and promptly spent it all on items with prices scandalously inflated because of twinkers.

How can we explain those immature "anal" posts in trade chat, which seem to be present on all servers, as well as those incessant Chuck Norris jokes in Barrens, if not as a testament to the immaturity of the community?

For those in this thread who would extol the virtues of the "casuals" against the elitist hardcore -- take a long, hard look at WoW's own brand of hardcore elitism: the clockwork raider guilds advertising in cities, and asking that you already be properly geared before they let you join. The pressure of some guilds to have their members level to 80.  I can't remember the details too much (because that was 5 months ago), but a string of utterly immature bulk letters from my guild leader about how we weren't levelling fast enough, or that we weren't rolling healers, almost caused my friends and I to quit his guild.

Typical of WoW fanboys not to give you the whole picture.  They'll gladly point to the idiots hacking their way through Darkfall, but they won't tell you of the WoW treadmill for gear which isn't more distinguished.  If anything, the "hardcore" that some of you bemoan aren't particularly interested in gear; some of them would tell you that they are saner than the rest of the players because they form no attachment to virtual properties (which, to be honest, I think is a bogus explanation).  It is your casuals, as someone pointed out before I posted, who display an inordinate interest in gear, which is what WoW dangles before them to keep them subscribed.

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Originally posted by Vetarnias Typical of WoW fanboys not to give you the whole picture.  They'll gladly point to the idiots hacking their way through Darkfall, but they won't tell you of the WoW treadmill for gear which isn't more distinguished.  If anything, the "hardcore" that some of you bemoan aren't particularly interested in gear; some of them would tell you that they are saner than the rest of the players because they form no attachment to virtual properties (which, to be honest, I think is a bogus explanation).  It is your casuals, as someone pointed out before I posted, who display an inordinate interest in gear, which is what WoW dangles before them to keep them subscribed.

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But isn't it also typical of those who would seek to put the game down to only point out the negative aspects?

What about the thousands of guilds who don't pressure their members and instead help them along their way? What of the hundreds of thousands of players who don't desire the best gear available but instead log in to socialise with friends and just enjoy some casual entertainment? What of the millions that don't hang around on the trade channel all day?

It is easy to point out those that make the loudest noises and say 'that is the wow community' but although i am sure everyone can pick out a few incidents that stick in their mind on the bad side of things, how many kindnesses do we just dismiss along the way. What about the person who just buffs you in passing while you are questing, or the person that helped you finish off the MOB that was just about to kill you and then throws you a bandage, the person that invites you to group near a quest objective as they have guessed you may need it too.

These are little things that happen all the time, day in, day out but are all too easily forgotten, but it is those things that make up the community not a few idiots having a slanging match on an open channel.

But the whole point of the game Jason is to improve and if u can't where do u go from there? Oh! Hi Jason! How r u? It turns into RF after that...And everyone plays games to get away from real life.

Originally posted by tepthtanis

But the whole point of the game Jason is to improve and if u can't where do u go from there? Oh! Hi Jason! How r u? It turns into RF after that...And everyone plays games to get away from real life.

For some, it is, but not for all. And see this is the biggest disagreement over WOW. Its not hardcore/casuals, its people who think WOW is all about improving your character via the gear grind.

I have played WOW off and on since launch and other than the early 40 man raids (which ironically drove me from the game), I have NEVER grinded for gear.

I play for fun. I play to do advance my character through content. I don't care what the drops are or the gear or the arena points or whatever. I remember downing Onyxia for the first time, Ragnaros for the first time, clearing Khara and ZA, etc.... And what do I remember more than anything - the people who helped and were there with me. It was a great achievement for all of us and thats what I like about WOW.

And this is why most people who hate WOW don't get it. The majority of players are not in harccore raiding guilds with stupid rules or with time committment requirements. The majority are in relaxed guilds that play for the fun of it.

Originally posted by Vetarnias

Of all the games I have played (no, it does not include Darkfall), I found World of Warcraft to have the most immature player base. 

No, your little segment of people that you knew on your server were immature. Not all of WOW's playerbase is immature at all, only what you experienced.

When I was around (last November-January), I could not count the number of times I've been begged for money -- including by someone level-20ish who later told me he had made 450 gold just by begging, and promptly spent it all on items with prices scandalously inflated because of twinkers.

Sure, I have a few people beg to which I respond with "Welcome to ignore". These are isolated cases though and maybe has happened 10 times since launch. Gold to so easy to come by now, even at lower levels, most people don't beg anymore. And those who do have an ulterior motive.

How can we explain those immature "anal" posts in trade chat, which seem to be present on all servers, as well as those incessant Chuck Norris jokes in Barrens, if not as a testament to the immaturity of the community?

Stereotypical comments of WOW bashers and I have not seen anything of the sort on my server in a LONG time.

For those in this thread who would extol the virtues of the "casuals" against the elitist hardcore -- take a long, hard look at WoW's own brand of hardcore elitism: the clockwork raider guilds advertising in cities, and asking that you already be properly geared before they let you join. The pressure of some guilds to have their members level to 80.  I can't remember the details too much (because that was 5 months ago), but a string of utterly immature bulk letters from my guild leader about how we weren't levelling fast enough, or that we weren't rolling healers, almost caused my friends and I to quit his guild.

That was the guild you chose to join. Not all guilds are like this - and I would fathom, most are nothing like this. The beauty of WOW is that there is so much to choose from, you can find a guild that fits your play style easily.

Typical of WoW fanboys not to give you the whole picture.  They'll gladly point to the idiots hacking their way through Darkfall, but they won't tell you of the WoW treadmill for gear which isn't more distinguished.  If anything, the "hardcore" that some of you bemoan aren't particularly interested in gear; some of them would tell you that they are saner than the rest of the players because they form no attachment to virtual properties (which, to be honest, I think is a bogus explanation).  It is your casuals, as someone pointed out before I posted, who display an inordinate interest in gear, which is what WoW dangles before them to keep them subscribed.

Actually, casuals, can be interested in anything (that is part of the term casual). By your explanation, casuals would be hardcore because all they want to do is to get gear (which is raiding a lot). I play casually and I enjoy leveling alts, crafting, mining, collecting pets, doing achievements, running 5 mans to get some rep if I need it, help friends out with their quests and characters, etc....

No offense, but your post is that of a stereotypical WOW hater who only sees the game through their own jaded view and refuses to see how others can enjoy it when they cannot.

And granted I am biased since I do enjoy the game, but people need to realize that there is more than one way to play and for many of us that enjoy the game, this is what makes it special.

That is my argument again Templarga...What guild...what realm? I have met so many dispicable souls sinse I joined...What is the point of playing this game? To be accussed of stealing, cheating, adultery... and getting racist comments from several sourses... Is that what wow is all about?

Originally posted by tepthtanis

That is my argument again Templarga...What guild...what realm? I have met so many dispicable souls sinse I joined...What is the point of playing this game? To be accussed of stealing, cheating, adultery... and getting racist comments from several sourses... Is that what wow is all about?

Well I started WOW with my own guild from EQ. We broke up and then I joined a guild that I met in another game's beta (they are a huge gaming group) and stayed with them until the guild grew TOO big.

Now I am in a small, family style guild on a server. It took me weeks of trial and error to find a guild that fit with me. Others were great guilds, but just not for me.

My recommendation is go to whatever server forums you play on (pick an older, non-pvp or RP server to start). Check out the server's forums for lots of drama and look through stickied guild lists and then visit each guild's own websites. And then choose carefully.

I did and here I am...I've done everything u said and then some. There is always someone out for u in every guild I go to...I advance quickly I get accussed of brownnosing...I take my time and I get acussed of taking advantage of the guild though I never took nothing. I try to be impartial and get accussed of being antisocial...the list goes on... do u want o hear the rest?

Originally posted by tepthtanis

I did and here I am...I've done everything u said and then some. There is always someone out for u in every guild I go to...I advance quickly I get accussed of brownnosing...I take my time and I get acussed of taking advantage of the guild though I never took nothing. I try to be impartial and get accussed of being antisocial...the list goes on... do u want o hear the rest?

Just what I thought Templarga and Jason_Webb...Wow is losing faith...Joining a guild is like signing a death warrent. U will try to help but get nowhere. There isn't a guild out there that doesn't have it's own interest's in mind...

Originally posted by sayuri2006

I humbly would like to thank the World of Warcraft Community for setting me free. I did really enjoy this game, but since WOTLK and that alot of the game content is catered more towards casuals, it has in my eyes made the community the worst I have had to see in an MMORPG. Of course, that's a pretty bold statement considering that not everyone is abusive and self indulgent, sure I agree. I also agree that you can find a good guild, and meet good friends, and it may change from server to server.

But it doesn't take a whole community for me to realise that there are some people that should honestly look at what they are saying to people, especially to people they don't know. I have been fortunate to meet some good people and to be in a good guild, but for me the community and people's outlook in the game really took me over the edge I'm sorry to say. I do not need to give any examples, but at the worst of times, you really have to wonder why an entire chat channel was devoted to making some guy look like a loser because he was new to the game and used the normal chat channel to seek help. On the two servers I was on, it was almost like everyone was out to get each other, prove to one another, and stomp on top of one another. The problem with this is that it changes people and how they play the game, it filters through the normal chat channels through into guilds, makes more people want to solo and not PUG and if grouped do it fast and quietly.

I am not saying that the overall community of other games doesn't have it's problems, in my experience, but like a disease it seems to have effected the WoW Community.

Please bear in mind that I am open to discussion on this, other players may feel differently. What are your thoughts, because to me a game's community is important. I have experienced in other games that any abusers or grievers are quickly dealt with by the community by been outright ignored and maybe even intervention by a GM. On my two servers in WoW, however, it was rampant, not dealt with or ignored, even urged on by other players at times. So...
 

Thoughts??

I have come to believe it is not the "WoW Players", but the MMO community in general (latest example would be Darkfall, no?).

Although even that is untrue, since I also believe it is a small percentage of people that are simply too immature to even know it.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Actually, the more casual a PAID mmorpg becomes the more friendly people in general will behave, because they have a life beyond the game.

It is the hardcore in search for their ultimate goal (of what for some used to be "gear") that make the problems in most games.

Hardcore PvP guys are the worst and that was amply shown in recently launched newer mmorpg's, resulting in low to no commnunications  and elitist behaviour.

In fact Wow these days still suffers from the (false) elitist dwellers, but as the actual difficulty became more user friendly to the casuals, people talk more about other things in game than pure gear and greed matters.

Your impression is based on personal perception, but the general trend is that the more casual a PAID game becomes the less stress is put on players.

---> As Wow is still a PAID subscription based game, the positive casual aspect is even more pronounced. (as opposed to another meaning of "casual" in free to play games where the "free to do whatever" mentality reigns.)

---->  People that play casual can wait for gear to drop, can wait for the next level to ding, can play on times when their life permits it. So explain why casuals would be more unfriendly unless their individual personalties would dicatate so.

 

       Actually I found the complete opposite to be true.........The casuals are often the bigger jackasses because they dont care.... I have played a few hardcore games and a few casual oriented games and without a doubt the better communities have always been the ones that were more hardcore oriented....... Darkfall is probably the one exception to the rule.

No...the jackass's r the jackass's and the casual players r the casual players...There r jackass's at every level of game play...the real test is to get away from them and ignore them...The jackass's I mean...

Originally posted by sayuri2006

 you really have to wonder why an entire chat channel was devoted to making some guy look like a loser because he was new to the game and used the normal chat channel to seek help.

Thoughts??

No I don't.  These are teenish kids (for the most part) with internet anonymity.  The same kids that aren't well rounded that sit against the sides of buildings during lunch, drinking their apple juice boxes and avoiding eye contact whenever possible.

They have the social skills of an eggplant, they have the backbone of a wet towel, and the leadership abilities of a lincoln log.

So with all of that combined... You get exactly what you described + would piss themselves if you said boo to them irl.