Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by kaishi00

 

I'm an asshat that holds a phd in psychology, you can say I'm pretty good with my observational skills in calling you a moron. You don't need the search function to work. There's a damn sticky right on top of the threads page http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/253/view/forums/thread/233080/The-ULTIMATE-Aion-FAQ-Updated-160509.html that has pretty much everything you need to know. You could've looked at the page for a grand total of 10 seconds and you couldn't have missed it. But no, you went and jumped at the new thread button.

 

 

Just because you found a little paper in a cracker jacks box that says phd doesnt really mean you have one that means anything. I would be shocked if you even have your high school deploma with the way you acting.

It doesnt take a phd to figure out that if you know a thread will have a topic in that for some reason you dislike, you shouldnt open it. But yet you open it to attack the OP who has a legit question. Its not like the thread title is misleading. Thats what forums are for, discussions and question.  If I am not mistaken the OP even said he read an article about it being more pvP focused and he came here for some conframation from people who has actually played. Did you not learn reading comprehenison in elementary school or did you just  skip elementary/JRH/HS and go straight to masters school then to your PHD? or do you just have selective reading?

BTW I am sorry that I dont have a phd in english and my spelling is less than perfect, i dont feel like running it through a word processor, so you can tell me all about how i misspelled words in my post since I am probably guessing you also have a phd in english now.

Or you could've taken your own advice and skipped over my posts instead of attempting to attack me. Do you know why the FAQ is stickied? It's because they want to avoid these questions from spamming up the boards. The FAQ is there for a reason, read it. If the answer to your question wasn't actually in the FAQ, then sure, you might have a point. It's like people that doesn't read the damn manual on something they bought, then complain to technical support about how their product isn't working. RTFM.

Originally posted by Sad_Panda

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

 

The PvE isn't crappy, but it is boring and tedious due to the very nature of PvE.  Obviously PvE does have rewards, or you wouldn't be doing it (unless predictable AI is about all you can tackle).

Let the players who possess the skill, dedication, and confidence to engage in PvP elicit the best rewards; why should scrubs have it handed to them on a silver platter?

So automatically because certain people do not find PvP appealing we are skill-less, undedicated, and not confident? There is a reason why PvP focused players are usually looked down on, look how you act.

Now that I know that PvP is pretty "required" I'll advise anyone who shows interest in the game this note of information. Me and my friends who enjoy a playstyle that does not involve killing another person's character will just stay away I guess.

Tired of you PvPers putting down PvE players because we don't want to be griefed constantly or grief others.

Originally posted by Vrazule

  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

I don't disagree at all. My post was solely about saying that people are 'forced' to do something in a leisure activity that they voluntarily do. The game has PvP as the main endgame focus. PvE seems rather secondary in the endgame. Knowing that, people can make the decision whether they want to even play the game or not. I made no statement as to whether that was wrong or right, good or bad, fair or unbalanced, etc. When people use words like 'forced' or 'punished' in reference to a voluntary leisure activity, it's just rather weird is all.

Originally posted by Vrazule

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

I am surprised that more games don't do this.  I have yet to see a game where PvE risks come anywhere close to PvP risks.  So assuming that the game takes a risk=reward standpoint Aion seems to be 'getting it right'.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by kaishi00

 

I'm an asshat that holds a phd in psychology, you can say I'm pretty good with my observational skills in calling you a moron. You don't need the search function to work. There's a damn sticky right on top of the threads page http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/253/view/forums/thread/233080/The-ULTIMATE-Aion-FAQ-Updated-160509.html that has pretty much everything you need to know. You could've looked at the page for a grand total of 10 seconds and you couldn't have missed it. But no, you went and jumped at the new thread button.

 

 

Just because you found a little paper in a cracker jacks box that says phd doesnt really mean you have one that means anything. I would be shocked if you even have your high school deploma with the way you acting.

It doesnt take a phd to figure out that if you know a thread will have a topic in that for some reason you dislike, you shouldnt open it. But yet you open it to attack the OP who has a legit question. Its not like the thread title is misleading. Thats what forums are for, discussions and question.  If I am not mistaken the OP even said he read an article about it being more pvP focused and he came here for some conframation from people who has actually played. Did you not learn reading comprehenison in elementary school or did you just  skip elementary/JRH/HS and go straight to masters school then to your PHD? or do you just have selective reading?

BTW I am sorry that I dont have a phd in english and my spelling is less than perfect, i dont feel like running it through a word processor, so you can tell me all about how i misspelled words in my post since I am probably guessing you also have a phd in english now.

<chuckles> I don't think the poor kid realizes what it takes to get a phd in psychology.  He's only 25 and would have had to start his B.S. when he was 15 then put in at least 6 years after that.  If he's that gifted he wouldn't have time to waste on a MMO forum.  So just ignore the utter asshat.

Gotta love people showcasing their immeasurable knowledge, discussing and arguing about education as if their life depended on it, on a "Wait. So forced PVP?" thread about some game.

Reminded me of this.

I could say I've a degree in psychology. I could type here that I own a fortune 500 business. I could proclaim across the internet that I invented the television and the gasoline powered engine. It hardly makes it true. Anonmity turns people into liars and jerks, that's just how it is - so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not very impressed with anyone who brags about how great they are over an MMO forum in a thread asking about an aspect of a game. It has no relevance. And if I missed the snippet in the sticky-thread about this aspect - meh. Sue me. It's so the end of the world, right? If it makes you that irate over a silly question about a silly game... go preen over your degree, real or imagined, and stop wasting your time being a troll.

Onward - I prefer a PVE game right now. I don't find it boring and if others do, that's their right. I enjoy PVP but it'd have to be completely optional and not such a core part of the game that it's all but necessary to go to a FFA-PVP zone to level or acquire decent gear. It's just not interesting to me at this point in time. As said, I'm fairly burnt out on PVP atm.

Of course no game is "forced" upon you. But if you choose to play the game, certain aspects of a game are likely to be "forced" or be such a large part of that game that if you choose not to participate in them, you don't advance in the game and are stuck rolling alts to level 20, rinse and repeat.

I'm not suggesting this game become PVP-optional; I'm just saying now that my question has been answered it just occurs to me that it's probably not going to be a game I check out. If others are for the PVP-FFA thing, that's fine. Just not my thing. Doesn't mean I'm a lesser gamer or a "scrub" (I really do think it's silly to base how important a person's money they pay to an MMO company is on how 'leet' they are in some given area. Really.  I've had epic characters before. It doesn't even matter that much in the long run. ) or should go play Hello Kitty Island. Just means that I'm not interested in this game because of some aspects.

In any case - this thread seems to have brought out the trolls and flamers, so I'll bow out. My question has been answered and I see no purpose in trading remarks and insults with people who apparently get their kicks from acting like poo-flinging monkeys on the internet. Again - I appreciate the civil replies and opinions and suggestions, but I think there's not much more to be said here from my part.

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

As a quick note to the asshat: I could say I've a degree in psychology. I could type here that I own a fortune 500 business. I could proclaim across the internet that I invented the television and the gasoline powered engine. It hardly makes it true. Anonmity turns people into liars and jerks, that's just how it is - so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not very impressed with anyone who brags about how great they are over an MMO forum in a thread asking about an aspect of a game. It has no relevance. And if I missed the snippet in the sticky-thread about this aspect - meh. Sue me. It's so the end of the world, right? If it makes you that irate over a silly question about a silly game... go preen over your degree, real or imagined, and stop wasting your time being a troll.

 

Onward - I prefer a PVE game right now. I don't find it boring and if others do, that's their right. I enjoy PVP but it'd have to be completely optional and not such a core part of the game that it's all but necessary to go to a FFA-PVP zone to level or acquire decent gear. It's just not interesting to me at this point in time. As said, I'm fairly burnt out on PVP atm.

 

Of course no game is "forced" upon you. But if you choose to play the game, certain aspects of a game are likely to be "forced" or be such a large part of that game that if you choose not to participate in them, you don't advance in the game and are stuck rolling alts to level 20, rinse and repeat.

 

I'm not suggesting this game become PVP-optional; I'm just saying now that my question has been answered it just occurs to me that it's probably not going to be a game I check out. If others are for the PVP-FFA thing, that's fine. Just not my thing. Doesn't mean I'm a lesser gamer or a "scrub" (I really do think it's silly to base how important a person's money they pay to an MMO company is on how 'leet' they are in some given area. Really.  I've had epic characters before. It doesn't even matter that much in the long run. ) or should go play Hello Kitty Island. Just means that I'm not interested in this game because of some aspects.

 

In any case - this thread seems to have brought out the trolls and flamers, so I'll bow out. My question has been answered and I see no purpose in trading remarks and insults with people who apparently get their kicks from acting like poo-flinging monkeys on the internet. Again - I appreciate the civil replies and opinions and suggestions, but I think there's not much more to be said here from my part.

EXACTLY. This man is right. But honestly guys, I am the rich long lost brother of bill gates and he gave me 10 billion yesterday so I decided to start my own fortune 500 company to become even richer!! Who wants money peoples, I will fill your needy little pockets in an instant! I just require a 5,000 holders fee for the transactions <(^^<)

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

I read somewhere that you will basically have to go into PVP free-for-all areas to level in this game. Meaning gankfest city. I've had one too many bad experiences with free-for-all PVP servers and forced PVP in games, I prefer the option to PVP when/if I feel like, not when/if the game devs say I have to in order to progress a character.

 

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

you should be forced to pvp in any game just like how you're forced to pve

Just to make this clear:
It is not FFA.
It's RvR or Faction vs Faction.... You can't attack someone on your own side.

Originally posted by Ranyr

Originally posted by Sad_Panda

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

 

The PvE isn't crappy, but it is boring and tedious due to the very nature of PvE.  Obviously PvE does have rewards, or you wouldn't be doing it (unless predictable AI is about all you can tackle).

Let the players who possess the skill, dedication, and confidence to engage in PvP elicit the best rewards; why should scrubs have it handed to them on a silver platter?

 

So automatically because certain people do not find PvP appealing we are skill-less, undedicated, and not confident? There is a reason why PvP focused players are usually looked down on, look how you act.

Now that I know that PvP is pretty "required" I'll advise anyone who shows interest in the game this note of information. Me and my friends who enjoy a playstyle that does not involve killing another person's character will just stay away I guess.

Tired of you PvPers putting down PvE players because we don't want to be griefed constantly or grief others.

Not at all, they just don't have the skill, dedication, or confidence to participate in PvP like I said in my first post, if you'll take the time to read it [again].

Done?

Now since you were so quick to take my post as an insult, should I assume that PvE'ers are just negative in general?  I don't like to grief, I like to PvP.  There's a difference between the two, and the inability of PvE'ers to realize that is why you are looked upon with such disgust.

Originally posted by madeux

Don't you think calling it "Forced PVP" is a bit harsh?

Yes, you MAY have to go into areas where you MAY get attacked by an opposing player, but it's not like they're requiring you to go into battlegrounds and spend hours on end doing nothing but pvp.

Why be afraid of a little danger?  I think it just adds to the excitement, adding a sense of peril to the game.

I can answer that for you as i am one who cannot stand PVP in an MMO setting because it is ALWAYS   improperly done.BTW i might add i am and have been a big time PVP player in games like Unrealtournament and Quake so i know where the genre belongs and where it does not.

The reason is because,you have ZERO control of the danger factor,it might be a little danger[as this poster mentions],witch i am sure MOST don't mind ,BUT ! it could very well be an impossible situation that leaves you ZERO chance,that is not danger that is just a bad setup.That same scenario is even worse than one of the posters who was talking about killing PVE mobs .Well for one PVE mobs USUALLY only give xp if they are a challenge,where as you can kill someone of NO challenge  in AION,witch one is the carebear setting and witch one is a fair fight and DANGER for both parties?answer is easy the PVE is a legit fight, the PVP games ,and NOT just AION MOST pvp games are  designed to be ONE sided/LOPSIDED simpleton fights,with the loser having no chance,and the winner taking zero risk.

It is funny because this poster and MOST apparently cannot look at both sides of the fence,they only see what they want to see.What they want to see is what is good for them,well MMO's are all about the ENTIRE community,not just yourselves.So before you comment on what is GOOD about the PVP situation for yourself,look at the WHOLE picture.Is the design setup to be a failure in any form or situation??if it is,then it is just that,.a bad design,because it did not think of every situation.I mean if a developer thinks every fight is going to be a fair fight,they are dreaming,as i said MOST fights will be worse than any easy PVE fight.

Look at the other poster in this thread...he goes on to say,there is nothing better than getting a bunch of friends and killing that ass-hat.Umm sounds like something most mature gamers would have no part of,at least i hope most do not think on those terms.

Beware of the rogue rifts,when pve might turn in pvp(pvpve), whether your'e trying to avoid rampaging assailants or whether you're trying to be those assailants.But oh well, if in dire need you could always call more powerful guildies/friends/acquaintances for help!

This thread is full of people foaming at the mouth.

Lol everyone here seems to forget there is a good part pve, with dungeons and raids. I haven't played, but how did you guys get the idea of only pvp end game? ;s

I only played up to level 25 on the chinese beta and i dont like PvP generally but i do like Aion PvP in abyss.
in the cities i dont like it considering i had no clue it was even a pvp zone >_>. from the dimension rift people just pop up behind you like wth was that why am i dead ¬_¬ at least in Abyss its generally recognised as the major PvP area.

i liked attending the mass raids on fortresses apart from when the game closed on me cuz it couldnt handle like 60 people from each side XD

360deg PvP is also like major trying but definately awesome ^^;
Guess i dont really have much PvP skills and i only really play clerics in any game :/
one thing i learnt is to have ur terrain/object zoom on full otherwise ur kinda blind in pvp :D

Since nobody here has played the endgame, I'll post:

a)
Aion PvP is slightly forced, you will be ganked more than once, if that's what you're asking.

b)
Aion PvP isn't necessary, you'll be missing like 50% of the content, but it isn't necessary in a progression point of view. There are 3 kinds of gear: Crafted, Drops and Abyss, and all of them are competent. Differences? Let me explain them:

Abyss gear has 2 extra slots for manastones, and it uses to have PvP attack/defense bonuses, since there's no casting speed bonuses, this gear is the best for clerics, sorcerers and spiritmasters.

Crafted gear uses to have the biggest p.atk/p.def stats, useful for PvE templars and gladiators.

Instances gear uses to hace specific bonuses which can be pretty good to certain classes, instance weapons are extendible, so, a dagger would have 500 range instead of 100. Endgame instance gear comes with attack speed bonuses, which are pretty convenient for classes such as Assassin, Chanter, PvP Templar and Ranger.

c)
Ranks only apply in the abyss, so if you don't want to go to the abyss, you don't care about them, Abyss heros won't get any profit outside of the abyss

d) You'll have to grind mobs or group up in elite areas if you don't want to PvP, even in 1.2, since some of the most rewarding quests take you to the abyss and the quests XP per level is still tightly adjusted, you have to find them all if you want to advoid grinding.

e)
There are some instances that require you to go to the abyss if you want to enter, its just a short trip, but there I'll leave that.

f)
There are better PvE games currently, Aion's PvE isn't bad at all, but it's still missing a badass mob such as the advertised Colossus requiring huge numbers and strategy, guess we'll see. Some party bosses are a bit hard to figure out, specially Draumnir's commander from what I tested, took us 5 wipes before we got it right. Haven't done the last instance yet (Lord Ramnark), waiting for 1.3 to subscribe again in Korea, but from the videos I've seen, it looks a bit hard.

mmh there is no pvp ffa zone... just to be clear.

Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk

Oh noes you might have to fight against skilled players as opposed to stupid AI that can always be beat with the same pattern. It amazes me why people are so paranoid about any form of PvP. Judging by what people have said on this thread so far you can pick when you want to PvP by going into the zone anyways, so it's not like you're going to spawn in your home town and get slammed.

Oh leave the carebears alone! you know if they pvp they will just call everyone hackers!

It's not as bad as it sounds...  To me, it sounds like one of the most fair/balanced PvP games...

You can:

A) Choose to enter the abyss(pvp realm)

B)Choose to leave if there's a portal opening up nearby (message will announce)  And once those that port through get killed they spawn all the way back in their homeland...takes away grief killing

C)I believe same races cannot kill each other(ie an Asmodian cannot killed an Asmodian)  unlike in AoC where you can kill a member of your race in a "safe" town.

I welcome this...let's see how it rolls though...

I just got lvl 25 last night and the moment i went jumped through the rift to asmodea it was as if the game jumped up a notch as I was chased by an assassin much higher than me for almost 5 minutes until his buddies came and trapped me........I loved it lol.

If this game was not "forced pvp" as you called it then I wouldnt like it as much, got tired of the safety of lvling in my own area and only getting ganked once in a while. The more i encounter pvp in the game the better it gets for me, because if I wanted to play a game without pvp then I wouldnt buy or subscribe to online games at all. I did'nt know there would be quests in the enemies territory that I could do until I got there, but I also did not know that if I killed enemy npc's that many higher lvl npc's would appear and kick my butt.....

I knew there was something up with Aion.

Right here folks is the reason Aion wont surpass WoW in Subs.

Most MMOers are casual Pvers and they will not play a game if pvpers bother them at all.

Oh well.

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

Originally posted by kaishi00

You can get to max level without ever going into the abyss. That's your choice, how is that forced. This information can be found in numerous threads if you weren't so lazy to look for it. Good thing you won't be playing, I hate dealing with people like you.

 

The search function doesn't work for me, thanks, and I wasn't about to spend 3 hours sifting through a few hundred pages of threads.  As for "dealing with people like me"... how astounding you can make a judgement on my personality based on several short sentences in reference to a question about a game!

 

In any case- I've had enough of the PVP loot grind in WoW and now am not particularly interested in doing it again any time soon. It's not a quesiton of "omg afraid to PVP!" it's more a matter of "not really in the mood for a PVP-centric game".  It's not for everyone, and if the "best" way to enjoy this game is through PVP, then it's not for me.  If the only "real" way to gain reasonable progress in a game is by PVP, then ...to me... it is a forced-PVP scenario. That's just how I see it.  I'm not in the mood for big guilds and PK'ing madness right now, and that's just how it is. This game won't appeal to everyone, and to expect it will is a bit unrealistic.

 

I wanted to know if what I had read was true, I asked, and since it was... I'm probably going to skip this game and look for something more suited to what I feel like doing in an MMO right now. I'd like to find a really nice sandbox MMO but they are very limited at this point in time.

 

Thank you for those who were civil and mature.

Good luck finding a sandbox that isn't heavily based around PvP.  They pretty much don't exists because there isn't a market for them.  The engine that drives a sandbox world is player conflict. 

Originally posted by rr2real

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

I read somewhere that you will basically have to go into PVP free-for-all areas to level in this game. Meaning gankfest city. I've had one too many bad experiences with free-for-all PVP servers and forced PVP in games, I prefer the option to PVP when/if I feel like, not when/if the game devs say I have to in order to progress a character.

 

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

you should be forced to pvp in any game just like how you're forced to pve

No you shouldn't be forced to PvE to be able to PvP either. You can't really force people to do things in games anyway. If you try they give you the finger and go find another game. It has nothing to do with skill, dedication, physical or mental attributes. It has to do with people choosing not to do things they dislike in their liesure time. Put it this way, I might pay you $1.50 for a Klondike bar but I'm not going to allow you to smash my head with a brick repeatedly to get it.

Originally posted by menowhite

Lol everyone here seems to forget there is a good part pve, with dungeons and raids. I haven't played, but how did you guys get the idea of only pvp end game? ;s

the only game that does pve right is Wow.  No other game even comes close.  And even WoW, with all the time, money, and polish... ends up being a boring wait between content patches.

Maybe Aion will come in a distance 2nd.  I dunno... I hope so.  But if your not participating in and enjoying the PvP aspect of the game, I have no doubt you should just stick w/ WoW and enjoy a more polished and complete product.

I can pretty much guarentee you that Aion won't compete w/ WoW on PvE alone though.