Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

MMORPG.com - So we have to put up with listening to whiners?

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

Sure, the best things are in abyss. But it's OPTIONAL. Higher rewards come at a higher risk.

Originally posted by kaishi00

 

I'm an asshat that holds a phd in psychology, you can say I'm pretty good with my observational skills in calling you a moron. You don't need the search function to work. There's a damn sticky right on top of the threads page http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/253/view/forums/thread/233080/The-ULTIMATE-Aion-FAQ-Updated-160509.html that has pretty much everything you need to know. You could've looked at the page for a grand total of 10 seconds and you couldn't have missed it. But no, you went and jumped at the new thread button.

 

Just because you found a little paper in a cracker jacks box that says phd doesnt really mean you have one that means anything. I would be shocked if you even have your high school deploma with the way you acting.

It doesnt take a phd to figure out that if you know a thread will have a topic in that for some reason you dislike, you shouldnt open it. But yet you open it to attack the OP who has a legit question. Its not like the thread title is misleading. Thats what forums are for, discussions and question.  If I am not mistaken the OP even said he read an article about it being more pvP focused and he came here for some conframation from people who has actually played. Did you not learn reading comprehenison in elementary school or did you just  skip elementary/JRH/HS and go straight to masters school then to your PHD? or do you just have selective reading?

BTW I am sorry that I dont have a phd in english and my spelling is less than perfect, i dont feel like running it through a word processor, so you can tell me all about how i misspelled words in my post since I am probably guessing you also have a phd in english now.

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

The PvE isn't crappy, but it is boring and tedious due to the very nature of PvE.  Obviously PvE does have rewards, or you wouldn't be doing it (unless predictable AI is about all you can tackle).

Let the players who possess the skill, dedication, and confidence to engage in PvP elicit the best rewards; why should scrubs have it handed to them on a silver platter?

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by kaishi00

 

I'm an asshat that holds a phd in psychology, you can say I'm pretty good with my observational skills in calling you a moron. You don't need the search function to work. There's a damn sticky right on top of the threads page http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/253/view/forums/thread/233080/The-ULTIMATE-Aion-FAQ-Updated-160509.html that has pretty much everything you need to know. You could've looked at the page for a grand total of 10 seconds and you couldn't have missed it. But no, you went and jumped at the new thread button.

 

 

Just because you found a little paper in a cracker jacks box that says phd doesnt really mean you have one that means anything. I would be shocked if you even have your high school deploma with the way you acting.

It doesnt take a phd to figure out that if you know a thread will have a topic in that for some reason you dislike, you shouldnt open it. But yet you open it to attack the OP who has a legit question. Its not like the thread title is misleading. Thats what forums are for, discussions and question.  If I am not mistaken the OP even said he read an article about it being more pvP focused and he came here for some conframation from people who has actually played. Did you not learn reading comprehenison in elementary school or did you just  skip elementary/JRH/HS and go straight to masters school then to your PHD? or do you just have selective reading?

BTW I am sorry that I dont have a phd in english and my spelling is less than perfect, i dont feel like running it through a word processor, so you can tell me all about how i misspelled words in my post since I am probably guessing you also have a phd in english now.

Or you could've taken your own advice and skipped over my posts instead of attempting to attack me. Do you know why the FAQ is stickied? It's because they want to avoid these questions from spamming up the boards. The FAQ is there for a reason, read it. If the answer to your question wasn't actually in the FAQ, then sure, you might have a point. It's like people that doesn't read the damn manual on something they bought, then complain to technical support about how their product isn't working. RTFM.

Originally posted by Sad_Panda

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

 

The PvE isn't crappy, but it is boring and tedious due to the very nature of PvE.  Obviously PvE does have rewards, or you wouldn't be doing it (unless predictable AI is about all you can tackle).

Let the players who possess the skill, dedication, and confidence to engage in PvP elicit the best rewards; why should scrubs have it handed to them on a silver platter?

So automatically because certain people do not find PvP appealing we are skill-less, undedicated, and not confident? There is a reason why PvP focused players are usually looked down on, look how you act.

Now that I know that PvP is pretty "required" I'll advise anyone who shows interest in the game this note of information. Me and my friends who enjoy a playstyle that does not involve killing another person's character will just stay away I guess.

Tired of you PvPers putting down PvE players because we don't want to be griefed constantly or grief others.

Originally posted by Vrazule

  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

I don't disagree at all. My post was solely about saying that people are 'forced' to do something in a leisure activity that they voluntarily do. The game has PvP as the main endgame focus. PvE seems rather secondary in the endgame. Knowing that, people can make the decision whether they want to even play the game or not. I made no statement as to whether that was wrong or right, good or bad, fair or unbalanced, etc. When people use words like 'forced' or 'punished' in reference to a voluntary leisure activity, it's just rather weird is all.

Originally posted by Vrazule

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

I am surprised that more games don't do this.  I have yet to see a game where PvE risks come anywhere close to PvP risks.  So assuming that the game takes a risk=reward standpoint Aion seems to be 'getting it right'.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by kaishi00

 

I'm an asshat that holds a phd in psychology, you can say I'm pretty good with my observational skills in calling you a moron. You don't need the search function to work. There's a damn sticky right on top of the threads page http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/253/view/forums/thread/233080/The-ULTIMATE-Aion-FAQ-Updated-160509.html that has pretty much everything you need to know. You could've looked at the page for a grand total of 10 seconds and you couldn't have missed it. But no, you went and jumped at the new thread button.

 

 

Just because you found a little paper in a cracker jacks box that says phd doesnt really mean you have one that means anything. I would be shocked if you even have your high school deploma with the way you acting.

It doesnt take a phd to figure out that if you know a thread will have a topic in that for some reason you dislike, you shouldnt open it. But yet you open it to attack the OP who has a legit question. Its not like the thread title is misleading. Thats what forums are for, discussions and question.  If I am not mistaken the OP even said he read an article about it being more pvP focused and he came here for some conframation from people who has actually played. Did you not learn reading comprehenison in elementary school or did you just  skip elementary/JRH/HS and go straight to masters school then to your PHD? or do you just have selective reading?

BTW I am sorry that I dont have a phd in english and my spelling is less than perfect, i dont feel like running it through a word processor, so you can tell me all about how i misspelled words in my post since I am probably guessing you also have a phd in english now.

<chuckles> I don't think the poor kid realizes what it takes to get a phd in psychology.  He's only 25 and would have had to start his B.S. when he was 15 then put in at least 6 years after that.  If he's that gifted he wouldn't have time to waste on a MMO forum.  So just ignore the utter asshat.

Gotta love people showcasing their immeasurable knowledge, discussing and arguing about education as if their life depended on it, on a "Wait. So forced PVP?" thread about some game.

Reminded me of this.

I could say I've a degree in psychology. I could type here that I own a fortune 500 business. I could proclaim across the internet that I invented the television and the gasoline powered engine. It hardly makes it true. Anonmity turns people into liars and jerks, that's just how it is - so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not very impressed with anyone who brags about how great they are over an MMO forum in a thread asking about an aspect of a game. It has no relevance. And if I missed the snippet in the sticky-thread about this aspect - meh. Sue me. It's so the end of the world, right? If it makes you that irate over a silly question about a silly game... go preen over your degree, real or imagined, and stop wasting your time being a troll.

Onward - I prefer a PVE game right now. I don't find it boring and if others do, that's their right. I enjoy PVP but it'd have to be completely optional and not such a core part of the game that it's all but necessary to go to a FFA-PVP zone to level or acquire decent gear. It's just not interesting to me at this point in time. As said, I'm fairly burnt out on PVP atm.

Of course no game is "forced" upon you. But if you choose to play the game, certain aspects of a game are likely to be "forced" or be such a large part of that game that if you choose not to participate in them, you don't advance in the game and are stuck rolling alts to level 20, rinse and repeat.

I'm not suggesting this game become PVP-optional; I'm just saying now that my question has been answered it just occurs to me that it's probably not going to be a game I check out. If others are for the PVP-FFA thing, that's fine. Just not my thing. Doesn't mean I'm a lesser gamer or a "scrub" (I really do think it's silly to base how important a person's money they pay to an MMO company is on how 'leet' they are in some given area. Really.  I've had epic characters before. It doesn't even matter that much in the long run. ) or should go play Hello Kitty Island. Just means that I'm not interested in this game because of some aspects.

In any case - this thread seems to have brought out the trolls and flamers, so I'll bow out. My question has been answered and I see no purpose in trading remarks and insults with people who apparently get their kicks from acting like poo-flinging monkeys on the internet. Again - I appreciate the civil replies and opinions and suggestions, but I think there's not much more to be said here from my part.

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

As a quick note to the asshat: I could say I've a degree in psychology. I could type here that I own a fortune 500 business. I could proclaim across the internet that I invented the television and the gasoline powered engine. It hardly makes it true. Anonmity turns people into liars and jerks, that's just how it is - so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not very impressed with anyone who brags about how great they are over an MMO forum in a thread asking about an aspect of a game. It has no relevance. And if I missed the snippet in the sticky-thread about this aspect - meh. Sue me. It's so the end of the world, right? If it makes you that irate over a silly question about a silly game... go preen over your degree, real or imagined, and stop wasting your time being a troll.

 

Onward - I prefer a PVE game right now. I don't find it boring and if others do, that's their right. I enjoy PVP but it'd have to be completely optional and not such a core part of the game that it's all but necessary to go to a FFA-PVP zone to level or acquire decent gear. It's just not interesting to me at this point in time. As said, I'm fairly burnt out on PVP atm.

 

Of course no game is "forced" upon you. But if you choose to play the game, certain aspects of a game are likely to be "forced" or be such a large part of that game that if you choose not to participate in them, you don't advance in the game and are stuck rolling alts to level 20, rinse and repeat.

 

I'm not suggesting this game become PVP-optional; I'm just saying now that my question has been answered it just occurs to me that it's probably not going to be a game I check out. If others are for the PVP-FFA thing, that's fine. Just not my thing. Doesn't mean I'm a lesser gamer or a "scrub" (I really do think it's silly to base how important a person's money they pay to an MMO company is on how 'leet' they are in some given area. Really.  I've had epic characters before. It doesn't even matter that much in the long run. ) or should go play Hello Kitty Island. Just means that I'm not interested in this game because of some aspects.

 

In any case - this thread seems to have brought out the trolls and flamers, so I'll bow out. My question has been answered and I see no purpose in trading remarks and insults with people who apparently get their kicks from acting like poo-flinging monkeys on the internet. Again - I appreciate the civil replies and opinions and suggestions, but I think there's not much more to be said here from my part.

EXACTLY. This man is right. But honestly guys, I am the rich long lost brother of bill gates and he gave me 10 billion yesterday so I decided to start my own fortune 500 company to become even richer!! Who wants money peoples, I will fill your needy little pockets in an instant! I just require a 5,000 holders fee for the transactions <(^^<)

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

I read somewhere that you will basically have to go into PVP free-for-all areas to level in this game. Meaning gankfest city. I've had one too many bad experiences with free-for-all PVP servers and forced PVP in games, I prefer the option to PVP when/if I feel like, not when/if the game devs say I have to in order to progress a character.

 

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

you should be forced to pvp in any game just like how you're forced to pve

Just to make this clear:
It is not FFA.
It's RvR or Faction vs Faction.... You can't attack someone on your own side.

Originally posted by Ranyr

Originally posted by Sad_Panda

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

So was this misinformation or is this a forced PVP game?

 

Gamers need to do a reality check once they are using words like 'forced' in their rants about a game.

 

It's a game. Your participation in it is absolutely voluntary. PvP is a main features of the endgame. If you don't like the features of a game, don't play. If that approach doesn't sit wewll with you, here's some future post topics for you:

 

Twister - Players are forced to step on circles?

Monopoly - So players are forced to go clockwise around the board?

DAOC - So we're forced to use only Midgard races in Midgard?

 

Yet none of your examples even compare.  None of them offer different play styles and yet only give one style the best progression.  Aion gives PvP the best loot, the best XP per hour and the more interesting content.  Grinding low XP mobs and lackluster quests outside of the Abyss isn't exactly a fun option in my book.

Just because there is a PvP focus doesn't mean that the PvE should have to be crappy, boring, tedious and unrewarding.

 

The PvE isn't crappy, but it is boring and tedious due to the very nature of PvE.  Obviously PvE does have rewards, or you wouldn't be doing it (unless predictable AI is about all you can tackle).

Let the players who possess the skill, dedication, and confidence to engage in PvP elicit the best rewards; why should scrubs have it handed to them on a silver platter?

 

So automatically because certain people do not find PvP appealing we are skill-less, undedicated, and not confident? There is a reason why PvP focused players are usually looked down on, look how you act.

Now that I know that PvP is pretty "required" I'll advise anyone who shows interest in the game this note of information. Me and my friends who enjoy a playstyle that does not involve killing another person's character will just stay away I guess.

Tired of you PvPers putting down PvE players because we don't want to be griefed constantly or grief others.

Not at all, they just don't have the skill, dedication, or confidence to participate in PvP like I said in my first post, if you'll take the time to read it [again].

Done?

Now since you were so quick to take my post as an insult, should I assume that PvE'ers are just negative in general?  I don't like to grief, I like to PvP.  There's a difference between the two, and the inability of PvE'ers to realize that is why you are looked upon with such disgust.

Originally posted by madeux

Don't you think calling it "Forced PVP" is a bit harsh?

Yes, you MAY have to go into areas where you MAY get attacked by an opposing player, but it's not like they're requiring you to go into battlegrounds and spend hours on end doing nothing but pvp.

Why be afraid of a little danger?  I think it just adds to the excitement, adding a sense of peril to the game.

I can answer that for you as i am one who cannot stand PVP in an MMO setting because it is ALWAYS   improperly done.BTW i might add i am and have been a big time PVP player in games like Unrealtournament and Quake so i know where the genre belongs and where it does not.

The reason is because,you have ZERO control of the danger factor,it might be a little danger[as this poster mentions],witch i am sure MOST don't mind ,BUT ! it could very well be an impossible situation that leaves you ZERO chance,that is not danger that is just a bad setup.That same scenario is even worse than one of the posters who was talking about killing PVE mobs .Well for one PVE mobs USUALLY only give xp if they are a challenge,where as you can kill someone of NO challenge  in AION,witch one is the carebear setting and witch one is a fair fight and DANGER for both parties?answer is easy the PVE is a legit fight, the PVP games ,and NOT just AION MOST pvp games are  designed to be ONE sided/LOPSIDED simpleton fights,with the loser having no chance,and the winner taking zero risk.

It is funny because this poster and MOST apparently cannot look at both sides of the fence,they only see what they want to see.What they want to see is what is good for them,well MMO's are all about the ENTIRE community,not just yourselves.So before you comment on what is GOOD about the PVP situation for yourself,look at the WHOLE picture.Is the design setup to be a failure in any form or situation??if it is,then it is just that,.a bad design,because it did not think of every situation.I mean if a developer thinks every fight is going to be a fair fight,they are dreaming,as i said MOST fights will be worse than any easy PVE fight.

Look at the other poster in this thread...he goes on to say,there is nothing better than getting a bunch of friends and killing that ass-hat.Umm sounds like something most mature gamers would have no part of,at least i hope most do not think on those terms.

Beware of the rogue rifts,when pve might turn in pvp(pvpve), whether your'e trying to avoid rampaging assailants or whether you're trying to be those assailants.But oh well, if in dire need you could always call more powerful guildies/friends/acquaintances for help!

This thread is full of people foaming at the mouth.

Lol everyone here seems to forget there is a good part pve, with dungeons and raids. I haven't played, but how did you guys get the idea of only pvp end game? ;s