Originally posted by Reanim

I was a bit bored today and seen that there was a 14 day trial and decided to give it a go. Last time I played was a year or so ago with the flying deer promotion.

Upon creating a necro I logged in and went to set my ui bars up. First thing to great me was the overlapped bars that still had not been fixed. Dragged the auto attack icon to one of the bars and it vanished just like the old days. Fixed the ui issues and decided to just grind in the swamp to see how the combat system went.

First thing was that mobs seem to be hitting from what would be out of melee range when kiting them. Might be lag but was way to consistant.

Mobs were falling through the world. At least that is what it looked like to me. I followed a red mob as it went into some rocks and poof no mob.

I went for a swim crossing the water areas in the swamp and soon found myself under the world. Wow... Still not fixed.

Necro pet controls still messed up. Pet would not defend itself or me. This one really dissapointed me. Thought they would have this fixed by now. Unless of course its working as intended.

2 of the quests showed the turn in npc at the wrong location.

This game had so much potential and you would think after 2 years there would be a bit more polish. well back to LOTRO for me.

Reanim

Are you sure you're not playing a separate and outdated build of Vanguard... in your head? How is a mob hitting you from outside melee range anything but lag? I wonder what your definition of bug is though I have an idea. "Anything anywhere = bug"

I tried it around the end of last year...it was the most buggy gaming experience of my life. From walking over water to mobs disappearing, I just couldn't take it. The last time I played it I rage-quit due to EXTREME unplayable lag. Straight back into Guild Wars I went and I didn't have a spot of lag. It was such a disappointment as it was supposed to be the perfect MMO for me. Ah well.

a 2008 review in 2009 how fitting

Originally posted by Druz

a 2008 review in 2009 how fitting

2008 was 5/6 months ago. Do you honestly expect me to believe the second coming has occured since then? We both know that hasn't happened. My point is that I payed good money to play the game that I was promised, but what was delivered to me was nowhere near the product it was punted to be. And the end of 2008 was how many months after release? My point exactly. If bugs were still so rampant that long after release, I don't see much of a future for the game. 

I am not mindlessly trolling. I played the game, had a terrible experience with it and that experience will stay with me forever. I could give it another try now, but I can't imagine the dev team will have fixed all the issues I mentioned. It's simply not worth the effort. A "2008 review in 2009" is indeed fitting, as the same people are behind the game now as back then and that speaks much about what to expect should major new content continue to be delivered. 

These problems shouldn't have existed in the first place. Making excuses for it simply doesn't cut it for me. If the game is now finally fixed as you say, do you honestly expect me to pick up the game and play it after it having taken them so long to get the product out of the door that they should have on launch day? 

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by Reanim

I was a bit bored today and seen that there was a 14 day trial and decided to give it a go. Last time I played was a year or so ago with the flying deer promotion.

Upon creating a necro I logged in and went to set my ui bars up. First thing to great me was the overlapped bars that still had not been fixed. Dragged the auto attack icon to one of the bars and it vanished just like the old days. Fixed the ui issues and decided to just grind in the swamp to see how the combat system went.

First thing was that mobs seem to be hitting from what would be out of melee range when kiting them. Might be lag but was way to consistant.

Mobs were falling through the world. At least that is what it looked like to me. I followed a red mob as it went into some rocks and poof no mob.

I went for a swim crossing the water areas in the swamp and soon found myself under the world. Wow... Still not fixed.

Necro pet controls still messed up. Pet would not defend itself or me. This one really dissapointed me. Thought they would have this fixed by now. Unless of course its working as intended.

2 of the quests showed the turn in npc at the wrong location.

This game had so much potential and you would think after 2 years there would be a bit more polish. well back to LOTRO for me.

Reanim

 

• /reloadui fixes the UI.  It happens because your desktop and game resolutions are different.
• I've leveled 2 toons in IoD and haven't fallen through the world or seen a mob fall through the world.  Sure it didn't return to it's spawn point?
• Necro pet controls work fine, just need to figure out how to work them.

 

Conversely, I've tried LotRO and just find no enjoyment whatsoever in that game.

Yeah there is a spot in the swamp where you can swim from the water underneath the land. I discovered this by accident when swimming to the other side.

I dont remember the disappearing mobs from last time ive played. Maybe it still sometimes happens, but with VG I simply dont expect the same polish as with other games.

Also the dragging icons to skillbar is not really a bug, but there is this weird delay that a lot of players find unintuitive. Once you get used to it, you kind of forget about it. Mainly new players seem to notice it.

VG is a nice game with an awesome world if you like to explore, but compared to newer MMO's also lacks a lot of polish and has loads of visual bugs (lot of them depend on graphical options settings).

Edit: Its been a few months since last time Ive been on IoD. I wonder if the diplomacy levers on the starterisland work again? Because if not, thats really a bad sign. They used to work at IoD release, but got broken almost a year ago now. Updates can break stuff, thats normal, but if it takes this long to fix, thats a bad sign.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Druz

a 2008 review in 2009 how fitting

2008 was 5/6 months ago. Do you honestly expect me to believe the second coming has occured since then? We both know that hasn't happened. My point is that I payed good money to play the game that I was promised, but what was delivered to me was nowhere near the product it was punted to be. And the end of 2008 was how many months after release? My point exactly. If bugs were still so rampant that long after release, I don't see much of a future for the game. 

I am not mindlessly trolling. I played the game, had a terrible experience with it and that experience will stay with me forever. I could give it another try now, but I can't imagine the dev team will have fixed all the issues I mentioned. It's simply not worth the effort. A "2008 review in 2009" is indeed fitting, as the same people are behind the game now as back then and that speaks much about what to expect should major new content continue to be delivered. 

 

These problems shouldn't have existed in the first place. Making excuses for it simply doesn't cut it for me. If the game is now finally fixed as you say, do you honestly expect me to pick up the game and play it after it having taken them so long to get the product out of the door that they should have on launch day? 

Yea thats great and all but do you really think I would be playing if I was having this "horrifying" experience you and the troll are trying to detail? A lot of the more active posters are current but new players, we weren't burned by Sigil so we're not here making things up. There are a few small bugs here and there.. nothing comes close to hindering my enjoyment of the game. There is no reason to give an outdated explaination of your experience other than just being spiteful. You can't imagine the devs fixing walking on water and mobs disappearing? Really? I'm a bard, I walk on water regularly... I haven't seen mobs disappear but if I did it would be truely HORRIFYING

i love these kind of posts, completly dependent on the persons patience and random experiences. I Beta Tested the game and played at launch, i found a few annoyances, pathing probs and mob depops but no game breaking bug at all ever. Falling through the earth is a non issue, i have fallin through the earth in Wow, AO, EQ, EQ2, VG, oohh why list them EVERY game i have Ever played this has happened to and most of the time this is not even fixable, its a problem that exists because of how games are made all it takes for a "hole" is something being .000001 out of place and you happen to be on the 1/1000 of a pixel that causes you to slip, it happens you get annoyed you get over it.

The main thing is, people that didnt like the game are going to be so completly over critical that they will see "bugs" every 5 steps of a game no matter how well polished the game is. You didnt like how it played, great dont play move on.

/rant off

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Originally posted by someforumguy

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Originally posted by boojiboy

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Originally posted by Reanim

I was a bit bored today and seen that there was a 14 day trial and decided to give it a go. Last time I played was a year or so ago with the flying deer promotion.
Upon creating a necro I logged in and went to set my ui bars up. First thing to great me was the overlapped bars that still had not been fixed. Dragged the auto attack icon to one of the bars and it vanished just like the old days. Fixed the ui issues and decided to just grind in the swamp to see how the combat system went.
First thing was that mobs seem to be hitting from what would be out of melee range when kiting them. Might be lag but was way to consistant.
Mobs were falling through the world. At least that is what it looked like to me. I followed a red mob as it went into some rocks and poof no mob.
I went for a swim crossing the water areas in the swamp and soon found myself under the world. Wow... Still not fixed.
Necro pet controls still messed up. Pet would not defend itself or me. This one really dissapointed me. Thought they would have this fixed by now. Unless of course its working as intended.
2 of the quests showed the turn in npc at the wrong location.
This game had so much potential and you would think after 2 years there would be a bit more polish. well back to LOTRO for me.
Reanim

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• /reloadui fixes the UI.  It happens because your desktop and game resolutions are different.
• I've leveled 2 toons in IoD and haven't fallen through the world or seen a mob fall through the world.  Sure it didn't return to it's spawn point? Necro pet controls work fine, just need to figure out how to work them.

 
Conversely, I've tried LotRO and just find no enjoyment whatsoever in that game.

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Yeah there is a spot in the swamp where you can swim from the water underneath the land. I discovered this by accident when swimming to the other side.
I dont remember the disappearing mobs from last time ive played. Maybe it still sometimes happens, but with VG I simply dont expect the same polish as with other games.
Also the dragging icons to skillbar is not really a bug, but there is this weird delay that a lot of players find unintuitive. Once you get used to it, you kind of forget about it. Mainly new players seem to notice it.
VG is a nice game with an awesome world if you like to explore, but compared to newer MMO's also lacks a lot of polish and has loads of visual bugs (lot of them depend on graphical options settings).
Edit: Its been a few months since last time Ive been on IoD. I wonder if the diplomacy levers on the starterisland work again? Because if not, thats really a bad sign. They used to work at IoD release, but got broken almost a year ago now. Updates can break stuff, thats normal, but if it takes this long to fix, thats a bad sign.

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If you do an action in a game and it has an undesired result "UI" its a bug. Something as simple as dragging an icon to a bar should be fairly easy to program or fix. Same with alot of the other quirky bugs. If I can swim under the world its a bug. If mobs disapeer its a bug. Etc Etc Etc.

Folks have been in here making excuses and defending poor programing for years. look at all the responses to my thread claiming its all made up. Funny stuff.

Originally posted by Reanim

 

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Originally posted by someforumguy

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Originally posted by boojiboy

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Originally posted by Reanim

 

I was a bit bored today and seen that there was a 14 day trial and decided to give it a go. Last time I played was a year or so ago with the flying deer promotion.
Upon creating a necro I logged in and went to set my ui bars up. First thing to great me was the overlapped bars that still had not been fixed. Dragged the auto attack icon to one of the bars and it vanished just like the old days. Fixed the ui issues and decided to just grind in the swamp to see how the combat system went.
First thing was that mobs seem to be hitting from what would be out of melee range when kiting them. Might be lag but was way to consistant.
Mobs were falling through the world. At least that is what it looked like to me. I followed a red mob as it went into some rocks and poof no mob.
I went for a swim crossing the water areas in the swamp and soon found myself under the world. Wow... Still not fixed.
Necro pet controls still messed up. Pet would not defend itself or me. This one really dissapointed me. Thought they would have this fixed by now. Unless of course its working as intended.
2 of the quests showed the turn in npc at the wrong location.
This game had so much potential and you would think after 2 years there would be a bit more polish. well back to LOTRO for me.
Reanim

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• /reloadui fixes the UI.  It happens because your desktop and game resolutions are different.
• I've leveled 2 toons in IoD and haven't fallen through the world or seen a mob fall through the world.  Sure it didn't return to it's spawn point? Necro pet controls work fine, just need to figure out how to work them.

 
Conversely, I've tried LotRO and just find no enjoyment whatsoever in that game.

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Yeah there is a spot in the swamp where you can swim from the water underneath the land. I discovered this by accident when swimming to the other side.
I dont remember the disappearing mobs from last time ive played. Maybe it still sometimes happens, but with VG I simply dont expect the same polish as with other games.
Also the dragging icons to skillbar is not really a bug, but there is this weird delay that a lot of players find unintuitive. Once you get used to it, you kind of forget about it. Mainly new players seem to notice it.
VG is a nice game with an awesome world if you like to explore, but compared to newer MMO's also lacks a lot of polish and has loads of visual bugs (lot of them depend on graphical options settings).
Edit: Its been a few months since last time Ive been on IoD. I wonder if the diplomacy levers on the starterisland work again? Because if not, thats really a bad sign. They used to work at IoD release, but got broken almost a year ago now. Updates can break stuff, thats normal, but if it takes this long to fix, thats a bad sign.

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If you do an action in a game and it has an undesired result "UI" its a bug. Something as simple as dragging an icon to a bar should be fairly easy to program or fix. Same with alot of the other quirky bugs. If I can swim under the world its a bug. If mobs disapeer its a bug. Etc Etc Etc.

Folks have been in here making excuses and defending poor programing for years. look at all the responses to my thread claiming its all made up. Funny stuff.

Why are you quoting me? You get a kick out of preaching to the choir?

You should check his post history, its 76 posts of complaining across different games.. the guy needs to be banned for trolling

You need glasses

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Originally posted by Wizardry

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Originally posted by Reanim

 

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Originally posted by Wizardry
I played the game on day 1 and got NONE of the so called bugs MANY are claiming to have had.I am not saying many are outright lying but something is amiss here.
I played VG on a decent PC at its release but nothing great,a run of the mill intel chip and everything else was normal as well,so how is it so many are having so many problems?
The ONLY two problems i had was stuck behind a rock and fell through the world when under water near the end of a zone.The stuck behind a rock was no big deal because there was a command to use that got you out of a jam.The falling through the world is not a bug it is a mapping mistake,but still a mistake,but again no big deal ,happened once.
Since i had almost no issues with VG and that was at launch when the supposed massive bugs were out there,i would not blame the game but the PC's and their drivers/bios.This is to be expected from PC's ,there is no such thing as one system fits all.Even with massive testing,there is NO way a developer can test every single configuration/driver out there.To make matters worse,Microsoft gives drivers the OK,seal of approval when they still cause problems for many machines,so there is no set in stone master fix all.
I own still to this day 5 working PC's ,so i have a lot of different configurations.I would also be willing to bet ,i have played or trialed more games than 99% of the people,and yet i have seen VERY few bugs in ALL the gamesi have played.The problem IMO,is that the PC's users need some saavy and need to understand their machines better.I know there is ALOT of people buying PC's and components from run of the mill warehouses,based on price alone,BIG mistake.There is a LOT of tech that goes into every single piece of hardware,there is no two items that are exactly the same.There is also a LOT of motherboards released with horrible BIOS ,full of errors and needing tons of updates,there is so much that can go wrong from machine to machine.
One FACT is that EVERY single game released,will ALWAYS have MANY patches,trying to accomodate every single user who sends in bug reports,this is not a developers fault,but is COMMON place amongst PC users.You cannot solo out SOE/SIGIL or any developer it happens to them ALL.

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There is someone lying alright or some real heavy drug usage going on. No bugs on day 1 huh? you an employee for mmorpg? Sony? cheerleader? I know there is a ton of viral marketing and intentional cheerleading going on here but that takes the cake.
No bugs on day 1. Dude thats the funniest thing I have heard in years.
Man I love these forums. Its always fun when you post valid issues here and the employess, lackeys, viral marketers do everything in thier power to defend the product.
Let me see how this works. Mmorpg is a business. They make money off advertising and promoting games. These forums are policed by them and game company employees to ensure the game gets a good review. Refer to "buy my product".
I still cannot get over no bugs on day 1. LOL LOL LOL
And there are no bugs now. None. Its perfect. "Buy my product"
Funny stuff... The bugs and issues are there regardless of whats being posted. It is what it is.

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Well my sir ,i guess you do not know me very well.I am no games lackey,and i will spill out bugs from even my most beloved game FFXI,i tell it as it is not as a hater or as a fanbois.
I told you the two bugs i had,that is ALL i had and i played it a ton for about 6/7 weeks until i quit.I posted way back then my reasons,and bugs were not the reason.
Of course EVERY game has problems,but they are not the games problems ,they are because of the thousands of different configs PC users have.As i stated patches and fixes are abound to EVERY game,because you will ALWAYS have users with problems,there is no VG problem or any other game problem,i told you,there is no way possible to test every possible config for every single user on the planet,it is IMPOSSIBLE.This is why games add patches that respond to users that send in bug reports,this is common knowledge and common practice for EVERY game.
If you the poster feels this is untrue as you obviously were claiming my stements to be untrue,post one game that has never added a patch?

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You sir are a liar if you claim you had only 2 bugs at launch for 6/7 weeks. There were bugs in the thousands at launch. You have Zero credibilty now. None.

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Originally posted by Druz
You need glasses

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My IE8 has to run in compatability mode here so ya I may need glasses. Icons missing. Text editor messed up etc.

Originally posted by Reanim

 

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Originally posted by Druz
You need glasses

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My IE8 has to run in compatability mode here so ya I may need glasses. Icons missing. Text editor messed up etc.

I think the problem is that you played this game found that the game does not like your system and that was it for you. That is fine I think we can all understand that. The problem is though that myself and many many others dont have those problems. I run the game fine and dont have problems. I dont work for anyone in the industry and have no vested interest in Vanguard other than as a player. If I had all the issues you say you have I would not play it either. Some systems run the game fine and some do not. Yes that is a fault but it is not a fault of other players on this forum or those in the game who run it fine.

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Originally posted by blueturtle13

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Originally posted by Reanim

 

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Originally posted by Druz
You need glasses

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My IE8 has to run in compatability mode here so ya I may need glasses. Icons missing. Text editor messed up etc.

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I think the problem is that you played this game found that the game does not like your system and that was it for you. That is fine I think we can all understand that. The problem is though that myself and many many others dont have those problems. I run the game fine and dont have problems. I dont work for anyone in the industry and have no vested interest in Vanguard other than as a player. If I had all the issues you say you have I would not play it either. Some systems run the game fine and some do not. Yes that is a fault but it is not a fault of other players on this forum or those in the game who run it fine.

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It has nothing to do with my PC lol. This site mmorpg is messed up on IE8. I have to put the browser in compatability mode to get things to function. There are over 10 pc's here at home. We are a computer family.

Still playing around with the game. Few more bugs. Pets are still getting stuck. Had my pet doing combat with a mob 40 feet or so away ( Funny to watch ).

Assist seems to be working. Defend worked today. Don't know if its a toggle issue/ui issue. Got both of my accounts back till 7/1. Time to go see how the rest of it looks.

Originally posted by Reanim

 

It has nothing to do with my PC lol. This site mmorpg is messed up on IE8. I have to put the browser in compatability mode to get things to function. There are over 10 pc's here at home. We are a computer family.

FireFox.

Are you able to find the download link for that with IE8 or does it require a special mode?

Originally posted by Druz 

Yea thats great and all but do you really think I would be playing if I was having this "horrifying" experience you and the troll are trying to detail? A lot of the more active posters are current but new players, we weren't burned by Sigil so we're not here making things up. There are a few small bugs here and there.. nothing comes close to hindering my enjoyment of the game. There is no reason to give an outdated explaination of your experience other than just being spiteful. You can't imagine the devs fixing walking on water and mobs disappearing? Really? I'm a bard, I walk on water regularly... I haven't seen mobs disappear but if I did it would be truely HORRIFYING

Oh please, I don't know what world you live in but in the world in which I live in, MMO's are businesses. They aren't charities being run by people out of the goodness of their hearts. In business, you have to deliver so that not only do you create a positive image in the mind of customers, but so that you are able to gain new customers through the good word of existing customers. You suggesting that I'm being "spiteful" by voicing my opinion on a game which I played 5/6 months ago is just silly.

If I was to go to a supermarket today, only to find rotting vegetables inamongst the fresh veggies, or I was to fall through the floor whilst making my way down the aisle, do you expect me to not be weary about going back to the same supermarket 6 months down the line? Better yet, do you expect me to keep mum and not warn others about my experience? Of course not. Anyone willing to put up with that is setting a very low standard for themselves. Sure, in 6 months time the floor may be fixed and the vegetables may be removed, but as the saying goes - prevention is better than cure. There is no excuse for those rotting vegetables being there in the first place, or for the floor having caved in underneath me. The reason the problems may be fixed in 6 months time is because of my terrible ordeal that I obviously wouldn't keep a secret. If I had never fallen through the floor or made noise about the rotting vegetables both problems would still exist 6 months down the line. That store shouldn't be open in the first place as it is not the shopping experience I expect in return for dishing out my money.

The mentality of those behind the game is one of "I'll deliver if I need to, otherwise the players can just put up with what we give them in the meantime." If in 6 months time the exact same people are in charge of the supermarket as today, how do I know I won't experience yet more issues? I never said your experience has been bad, but mine was and that wasn't very long ago at all. What it was was a good while after launch and for such issues to still exist then should send alarm bells ringing through the mind of anyone who expects more than the bare-minimum from developers.

Originally posted by Joppari

Originally posted by Reanim 

FireFox.

 

Are you able to find the download link for that with IE8 or does it require a special mode?

Maybe he doesn't want to use Firefox? Him changing his browser just for one site sounds rather stupid to me. How is his choice of browser you business? The fact that you're getting rude on top of something that has nothing to do with you makes your post even more pathetic. 

It's clear this is a case of you getting touchy because he's experiencing bugs in Vanguard and you don't like the image that presents to potential players.

If you are playing in high resolution . You will not see the rain.  I play at 2560 x 1600 and it does not show for me unless I turn the resolution down.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Joppari

Originally posted by Reanim 

FireFox.

 

Are you able to find the download link for that with IE8 or does it require a special mode?

Maybe he doesn't want to use Firefox? Him changing his browser just for one site sounds rather stupid to me. How is his choice of browser you business? The fact that you're getting rude on top of something that has nothing to do with you makes your post even more pathetic. 

It's clear this is a case of you getting touchy because he's experiencing bugs in Vanguard and you don't like the image that presents to potential players.

No, I don't mind about that, everyone's impressions are different.

He expressed that he was having trouble, I offered a solution. I was poking fun at Microsoft, not at the poster.

This was nothing to do with Vanguard, nor a personal attack on anyone.

It's interesting that 'something that has nothing to do with me', nor infact you, has moved you so greatly  as to insult me.

Follow Up...

I decided to try a char on 1 of my reactivated accounts. I did several classes to 12-13. I even did a crafting run to lvl 10 on one of the chars since I had never tried crafting here. The only plus was the crafting system ( loved It ).

The game is still majorly bugged. Nothing game breaking but more of a long list of annoyances that get old real fast.

Here are but a few of the issues I encountered. Swiming through the world ( multiple places ). Necro pet controls bugged ( Location specific - Pet locks up or forgets his job ). Clicking on quest items buggy. Mobs dying on quest items and have to wait till carcas dissapeers to claim item. unable to use vendor when engaged by other in diplo. Mob pathing, glitching, dissapeering. Unable to attack mobs in trees rocks etc. mini map becomes non usable ( terrain dissapeers ). Broken vendors. Broken and glitched quests ( bad when its a chain ). Flying mount stuck at flight level. Pinned to the cieling in the temple elivator after mount timer went away. Bugged mobs and harvest resources. Waky aggro. I could go on and on but you get the idea. Buggy, Glitchy goofy crap.

Other annoyances... Game still has huge level quest gaps forcing mindless grinding. Huge areas still unpopulated. Still laggy and chunks out in places on my high end machine ( Cities ). I went hours without seeing another player as a low lvl though the level 40's areas were fairly well populated.

The big question for me was why would I want to play a game that is poorly supported. will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach its potential and will more than likely be canned. They don't care to put much into the game so why should I care to play it.

Reanim

Originally posted by Reanim

The big question for me was why would I want to play a game that is poorly supported. will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach its potential and will more than likely be canned. They don't care to put much into the game so why should I care to play it.

Reanim

Exactly my question! I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start. It isn't a charity organisation that you give your money to in order to support a good cause - it's a business and they've stuffed up big time. NO ONE passionate about a game would release it in that state. 

Hopefully your list of bugs will shut those up who are saying we're talking nonsense. The denial of some people is really astounding sometimes. Seriously, if some people have a flawless experience - congrats! But they shouldn't pretend that we all are having such a good time in-game.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Reanim

The big question for me was why would I want to play a game that is poorly supported. will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach its potential and will more than likely be canned. They don't care to put much into the game so why should I care to play it.

Reanim

Exactly my question! I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start. It isn't a charity organisation that you give your money to in order to support a good cause - it's a business and they've stuffed up big time. NO ONE passionate about a game would release it in that state. 

Hopefully your list of bugs will shut those up who are saying we're talking nonsense. The denial of some people is really astounding sometimes. Seriously, if some people have a flawless experience - congrats! But they shouldn't pretend that we all are having such a good time in-game.

Reanim, An impressive list of bugs but somehow they don't seem to happen to me.  So like I said you are amazing and should get a job in QA for some company.

Lydon, I don't think anyone cares if you play the game ;)  You have clearly explained time and time again why you don't like the game and why you will never play it.  Seems like most every post of yours is just kinda a repeat of the same message.

I think that there is a difference of opinion on the game experience for many people.  Reanim has provided a good list of issues and contributed to this discussion even if many people can't replicate his experiences.  

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Originally posted by Lydon

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Originally posted by Reanim

The big question for me was why would I want to play a game that is poorly supported. will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach its potential and will more than likely be canned. They don't care to put much into the game so why should I care to play it.
Reanim

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Exactly my question! I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start. It isn't a charity organisation that you give your money to in order to support a good cause - it's a business and they've stuffed up big time. NO ONE passionate about a game would release it in that state. 

Hopefully your list of bugs will shut those up who are saying we're talking nonsense. The denial of some people is really astounding sometimes. Seriously, if some people have a flawless experience - congrats! But they shouldn't pretend that we all are having such a good time in-game.

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I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and bash a game they obviously don't play or like. It's a game. You don't like it. Others do. Move on. Why the pressing need to bash it? Are you so insecure in your decision to not play the game that you feel the need to badmouth it constantly on a forum so that you might somehow convince others to not try the game? What result are you looking for by bashing VG?

Yes, the denial of some people really is astounding. Your denial that the game can be enjoyable and non-glitchy for some is a great example. No one's pretending EVERYONE is having a great time in game. Yet that's what gets stuck in your mind when someone says they're enjoying the game. Total skip in logic.

I have yet to experience one of the bugs he's listed. I'm not saying you or he are talking nonsense, just that it's not universally bad for everyone. You and he had bad experiences with VG. That sucks. Others are having good experiences. It's the same in any MMO.

As for Reanim's statement... you make it sound as if someone is pressuring you to play VG against your will. You don't like the game, have found bugs and glitches and hate SOE. Then walk away from the game and this forum. You've spoken your piece. Some agree. Others disagree. Leave it at that. Nothing else will be accomplished by either one of you continually bashing the game.