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5/29/09 2:53:54 PM#41
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
The only way to see if you like something is to try it, no one's opinion, no matter how much research you do will change that.
I disagree. Information such as how severe the bugs are in a game, how much abuse and cheating going on, combat systems basically any information you can think of is valuable and is quite easily obtainable without ever loading up the game.
Example: I don't like my chat box being spammed by goldsellers every 5 seconds. This can be my only criteria. I see a game i like but lo and behold ..reading the forums i hear that goldspammers are spamming you not every 5 seconds but every 2 seconds. There is no way in turning it off and the game company has no interest in fixing it. Then i do not need to buy the game if i already know that thats a deal breaker. The above is just 1 example out of many issues i can make for you that will be a dealbreaker for me. Not necessarily applicable to Darkfall but the idea of doing research beforehand. I can deal with macroing and botting because that takes place in ANY game. but if the game is badly programmed making people able to fall beneath the ground and kill you while being invulnerable then that's a pretty good indicator the game is not for me..that's another piece of information i can obtain from a forum. There is a 100 things that can ruin an otherwise fun game you can find out just from reading. It all boils down to the individual and what he can and cannot live with. I have bought games in the past everybody said was great but i ended up disliking it. One such game was Civ 4. No amount of research would have helped me figure out that i wouldn't like the game. Research is not infallible but it's leagues better than going into something blindly. Even if it's only helpful 50% of the time |
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5/29/09 2:55:07 PM#42
TBH i enjoy reading hate and bashing posts about DF as i payed 50$ for this game to find that its a pile of crap.... |
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5/29/09 2:57:51 PM#43
Originally posted by shalldoom
LOL Finally some honestly! Thank you! That's exactly why I won't pay for a game until I've had a chance to try it. It's just not worth the risk anymore with so many games out there that I don't find worth playing. |
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5/29/09 2:57:52 PM#44
Originally posted by madeux So not agreeing with them is tearing them down? I agree that if it's truly the best game to that person then they should have the right to express why they think so. At the same time though people that totally hate all facets of the game should have the right to voice their opinion as well. If you you want to strip the haters right away then you have to give up yours as well.
My objection was with "I find it very funny that people can be so blind to say its the greatest game they have played". That's not an opinion, or a critique of the game. That's a personal attack against the person for their opinion. There's a big difference. Hate the game all you want, but there's no reason to hate others who don't agree with you. Fair enough. Personal attacks are never warranted. All I was getting at is that most of these threads that end in flame wars start out because 2 people have clashing opinions and then it escalates from there because both sides want to prove the other wrong. I assumed ( I need to stop doing that) that you wanted the haters to be quiet and leave the forum to the fans. That sparked me to type what I typed. Lastly I really don't hate the game. I want it to get better because we need more games with the same ideas that Aventurine pitched to all of us. I just think some things about this game could be better implemented and better managed that's all. That does not mean that I am hating like Mr.Blood said earlier in the thread it just means I do not agree. Take it as you will I suppose... |
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5/29/09 2:58:03 PM#45
Originally posted by madeux
You are a pretty funny dude. Literally everyone of your posts seems to describe some weird alternate eutopian universe where everyone is respectful of each others opinions, people do not argue, everyone is a winner, there are no polarizing opinions, etc, etc, etc. I could literally link 20 posts where you express this same view, on 20 different active topics. Unfortunately, that is not reality. If I want to hate on DF because I followed it forever only to be let down by the lies and overall clunky gameplay, then that is entirely my right, and luckily there are these things called forums to vent that frustration. I agree, I hate incessant trollers who say the same things over and over, but I also can't stand ridiculous, weird, flower power optimists. It just deoesn't fit in on an MMO forum to be honest. You really need to find a more suitable forum. I'm sure Oprah has some forum where everything posted is uplifting and moderated so that no ones feelings are hurt. I'm afraid your expectations for "forum-peace" are going to be left wanting.......
I'm flattered to know that you've been following my posts so closely. I've always wanted a stalker. Funny, I thought she'd be cuter...
!!!!!! Whoa, an insult! Maybe I was wrong about you! Maybe you should stay on these forums, though that response doesn't quite flow very well with your Oprah-esque posts flooding the active topics right now. I really have to admit, I expected an answer more like this: "Once you have reached the level of consiousness that I have, there is no need to degrade myself by responding to this post. I will however say, that I have been sent here, to save you all from yourselves. I cannot fail in this, my life's work."
But again, I'm happy you have an insult in you. At least I don't think you are a totally weird robot-person.
=)
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5/29/09 2:59:09 PM#46
Do people that dislike DF get some theraputic satisfaction from bashing it? yes |
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5/29/09 2:59:20 PM#47
Originally posted by andmiller
Actually, No. Darkfall has these forums. The only requirements are:
Currently playing Real Life.. http://i36.tinypic.com/2uyod3k.gif For all your stalking needs.. |
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5/29/09 3:01:10 PM#48
Originally posted by bustaj
My objection was with "I find it very funny that people can be so blind to say its the greatest game they have played". That's not an opinion, or a critique of the game. That's a personal attack against the person for their opinion. There's a big difference. Hate the game all you want, but there's no reason to hate others who don't agree with you. Fair enough. Personal attacks are never warranted. All I was getting at is that most of these threads that end in flame wars start out because 2 people have clashing opinions and then it escalates from there because both sides want to prove the other wrong. I assumed ( I need to stop doing that) that you wanted the haters to be quiet and leave the forum to the fans. That sparked me to type what I typed. Lastly I really don't hate the game. I want it to get better because we need more games with the same ideas that Aventurine pitched to all of us. I just think some things about this game could be better implemented and better managed that's all. That does not mean that I am hating like Mr.Blood said earlier in the thread it just means I do not agree. Take it as you will I suppose...
I'm all for differing opinions (As you can see, I don't agree with anyone). I think it's great that people hate the game, and want to tell us why they hate it. I just don't want them to expect me to hate it just becaue they do. Constructive dialogue will go a lot further than hate filled rants. |
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5/29/09 3:02:22 PM#49
Originally posted by andmiller
I'm flattered to know that you've been following my posts so closely. I've always wanted a stalker. Funny, I thought she'd be cuter...
!!!!!! Whoa, an insult! Maybe I was wrong about you! Maybe you should stay on these forums, though that response doesn't quite flow very well with your Oprah-esque posts flooding the active topics right now. I really have to admit, I expected an answer more like this: "Once you have reached the level of consiousness that I have, there is no need to degrade myself by responding to this post. I will however say, that I have been sent here, to save you all from yourselves. I cannot fail in this, my life's work."
But again, I'm happy you have an insult in you. At least I don't think you are a totally weird robot-person.
=)
Your input does not compute. :p |
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5/29/09 3:03:14 PM#50
Originally posted by madeux
Look what you just did. I said criticism, you immediately called it negative ranting. Good job?
This is exactly why I said I wouldn't try to explain the difference to you. Someone attempts to do so, and you get your feelings hurt. And while I'm typing, "talking about how cluncky the UI is", is absolutely opinion. If you think it's clunky, and I don't think it's clunky, obviously we're talking about our opinion of the UI. Understand? In the end this forum is controlled by mmorpg.com
If you feel a post breaks a rule set forth by mmorpg.com then you are free to report it. If the moderators deem your report unwarranted and leave the post untouched... then you have to either accept it, or move onto some other site. That is basically what it boils down to.
If the posts you don't like are deemed fine by the moderators... then there isn't really much you can do about it.
Oh I suppose you could make posts and threads that complain about people complaining... but some might see that as a bit odd. |
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5/29/09 3:06:02 PM#51
Originally posted by madeux
My objection was with "I find it very funny that people can be so blind to say its the greatest game they have played". That's not an opinion, or a critique of the game. That's a personal attack against the person for their opinion. There's a big difference. Hate the game all you want, but there's no reason to hate others who don't agree with you. Fair enough. Personal attacks are never warranted. All I was getting at is that most of these threads that end in flame wars start out because 2 people have clashing opinions and then it escalates from there because both sides want to prove the other wrong. I assumed ( I need to stop doing that) that you wanted the haters to be quiet and leave the forum to the fans. That sparked me to type what I typed. Lastly I really don't hate the game. I want it to get better because we need more games with the same ideas that Aventurine pitched to all of us. I just think some things about this game could be better implemented and better managed that's all. That does not mean that I am hating like Mr.Blood said earlier in the thread it just means I do not agree. Take it as you will I suppose...
I'm all for differing opinions (As you can see, I don't agree with anyone). I think it's great that people hate the game, and want to tell us why they hate it. I just don't want them to expect me to hate it just becaue they do. Constructive dialogue will go a lot further than hate filled rants. You just did it again. Why does criticism = Hate filled rants?
Its the fans, and the irrational, and childish behavior that creates all this. Even Taco does it, so i guess it should be expected, as its the culture he created around the game, using 8 years of "elite" and exclusionary wordings.
How can we have constructive dialog, when even someone that claims to be as educated as yourself (going by the fact you have offered three people lessons on various topics) can not separate observations, and criticisms, from baseline bashing?
You take it to heart more than anyone else in this thread.
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5/29/09 3:06:23 PM#52
You're right, nobody has a sense of social responsibility to point out unethical practices and false advertising. (Actually, I don't, I just enjoy debate, and MMO forums are the easiest way to get it. Sometimes I'd rather write a scathing criticism than a short story. Sue me.) 19/02/2009 @11pm - "Your Darkfall preorder was successful!" Ahh, classic Tasos! |
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5/29/09 3:06:45 PM#53
We are in total agreement when it comes to this statement . |
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5/29/09 3:30:59 PM#54
So if I enjoy bashing the game I should go do that instead? K. |
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5/29/09 4:28:07 PM#55
Hmmmmm ....... interesting thread we have here. I was going to try and come up with something witty so as to add to the conversation but fell short. Instead, perhaps some music ....... yes, a thread like this could always do with some tunes.
I hope in some way this adds to the discussion and maybe even explains some things ........
~Hairysun~
http://www.straightdope.com/ |
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5/29/09 6:04:06 PM#56
Originally posted by Hairysun Hmmm, interesting song. Pertaining to this thread, this song can be interpreted 2 different ways in my opinion. One way can be seen as people following and condemning everything a certain type of person thinks and acts. Obviously this parallels the childish antics both sides pull on each other all the time in the Darkfall forums. The other way tells the listener to be "proud" and be oneself no matter what anyone says. In this light you are encouraging everyone to embrace their opinions no matter what the haters from both sides say. So my question is obvious right? Are you flaming the haters of this thread in effect becoming what you hate but on the other side of the fence or are you telling everyone to embrace their opinion no matter what anyone says? I would think/hope that it is the latter but you are the only one that truly knows.
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5/30/09 6:54:18 AM#57
Originally posted by bustaj Hmmm, interesting song. Pertaining to this thread, this song can be interpreted 2 different ways in my opinion. One way can be seen as people following and condemning everything a certain type of person thinks and acts. Obviously this parallels the childish antics both sides pull on each other all the time in the Darkfall forums. The other way tells the listener to be "proud" and be oneself no matter what anyone says. In this light you are encouraging everyone to embrace their opinions no matter what the haters from both sides say. So my question is obvious right? Are you flaming the haters of this thread in effect becoming what you hate but on the other side of the fence or are you telling everyone to embrace their opinion no matter what anyone says? I would think/hope that it is the latter but you are the only one that truly knows.
: )
~Hairysun~
http://www.straightdope.com/ |
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5/30/09 7:14:15 AM#58
short answer to OP "Yes" |
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5/30/09 7:57:13 AM#59
Do people that dislike DF get some theraputic satisfaction from bashing it? Yes |
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5/30/09 10:41:22 AM#60
Originally posted by madeux
There's a clear difference between critisism and bashing. If you can't/won't see that for yourself, then there's nothing we can do for you.
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