Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd, I spent all day talking shit on vent with my friends, drinking, and yes, playing Darkfall. I played WoW for 12 or so hours a day for over 3 years, I quit because they ruined the game with expansions that vastly lowered the sense of personal achievement involved in getting high level gear. I am an elitist player, a "powergamer" if you will, and I know how to deal with burning out on MMOs - play them with good people. However, if I can go and play a better game with the same good people, well, I'm going to take that option. Never mind the principal of not giving my money to unprincipled, unscupulous, bumbling idiots like Tasos. Oh, and don't say "If I blahblah", the idea that I'm being compared to you on the internet is insulting and repugnant.

2. I know why it's a first-person oriented game, I was referring to the first-person shooter genre. Perhaps you're familiar with it? Games that are centered entirely around objective based first-person combat, without character progression (or with very limited forms of said, a la COD4 ranks). Jump in, kill people, jump out, go again. I played a lot of FPS's before and between MMORPGs, and I can appreciate the co-incidence of the two mechanics. I don't hate Darkfall combat, I never said I did, I love the small group PvP. I came to Darkfall on the basis of that core feature, but that's not the only reason I wanted to play.

Game mechanics need to be in place to give an RPG environment a "sandboxy" feel and "freedom", as you so love to call it. The typical response to "What do I do in DF" is to laugh condescendingly and say "Poor child, it is an RPG sandbox. Do as you want!"

Alright then, I'll be a travelling bard, shall I? Okay, so maybe I can't do that. RPG elements need to be supported by the game. In Darkfall you can be a zergling, a mercenary, or something economically focussed. The economy is dull and based purely on the amount of time one is willing to invest in it. There isn't much benefit to be had from having stacks of cash either. A dedicated solo crafter will never get as far as a clan alt who only logs in to turn externally gathered resources into items, because player skill is a totally absent mechanic. Very little in Darkfall is solo-friendly, and very little caters to the desires of individual players.

I'll only dignify your "lol grind" response with the fact that Darkfall in the single most level-based game on the market, because there are thousands of brutally dull levels of individual skills to progress through before you can be considered "competitive". If you disagree, go "get shit on" by Shuyin HAIL or Pho Hammar and tell me skills aren't a big deal. I've played Chinese Aion and it was nothing compared to Darkfall.

Full loot is the only reason people play, because face it, it feels good to take all the other guy's shit when he dies. It's a mechanic that's almost unique to Darkfall, and the added risk-reward does make PvP a lot more exhilarating and death more meaningful. If Darkfall PvP didn't have full loot, the PvP in the vast majority of FPSs (for FPS combat) and RPGs (for tactical combat) would be far superior. Darkfall's combat isn't complex or challenging in terms of cognition, but success has greater rewards than it would in the vast majority of other games. Perhaps I should extend to say "full loot free for all open world PvP", but I stand by my statement.

"I personally", yeah, I'm sure you're being very objective there. In other MMOs there is an element of player skill and knowledge to gathering. You know where the rare spawns are, you know where the low traffic spawns are... In darkfall every node is the same, and it suffers greatly for it. Why go to a dangerous area and mine iron when you can do it right next to a damn tower? There's not even a variation in yield. Darkfall gathering is a basic input-output timesink, and the single most basic, uninventive mechanic they could have conceived to fulfil the purpose.

You're right, crafting does behave like any other skill. A linear system with highly limited variation and no player skill. See, I stress "player skill", not character skill. You need to progress the crafting, but you don't even have to be at your keyboard to do it. I don't advocate minigame type systems, but there are far better ways to approach intuitive, skilled crafting. Ask a guy called "Preka", or else check out the MUD "Dragonrealms" to see one. I 'm taking too much time over this as it is.

If you don't know how to exploit every mob in the game into ridiculous easymode (cough, launch) then I don't see why you're trying to voice an opinion on PvE. The AI is lobotomized quake bots with shitty "abilities" that are usually of very limited use. If I'm mounted, no mob is ever going to stun me or snare me or DoT me to death... because those things don't exist. Shit walks up to you and punches you a lot, and they compensate for the lack of "real" AI by giving everything ridiculous health pools. Sad, but true. Also "the environment is the players" is the weakest substitute for "the PvE is shit" that I've ever heard.

In reponse to sieges:

1. You've clearly never been online when Hyperion participated in a siege... And, while on rubaiyat, you couldn't even use your "rest" function. Their sound engine and their server load-bearing is atrocious.

2. The point about teens vs. teens is moot. We were promised epic siege battles with hundreds per side running smoothly. It was never beta tested, and this is the result. Reap what you sow.

Ask Society of the Anvil about cannons that can't see anything worth shooting. I participated in the siege on CoCK's city where the flamethrowers torched close to 50 mounts in a glorious rain of fire... And that's the only kills I've ever seen the city defence weaponry score. Most of them have sorely lacking AoE, are difficult to aim, and until very recently had exceptionally poor damage. Even now I wouldn't be afraid of being within range of a cannon.

As for exploiters, both CotC and the Afghans are rampant exploiters, and they freely admit it. Look it up in clan discussion. And Afghanistan didn't take the Warhulk to Mar Shral. They have a Vileforge but they didn't use it. Also, it's "alluding". Get better at English.

I made it clear I never unattended macro'd. I did however raise some skills by shooting them at nothing for a very long time. It was the only practical way to do it.

And you've clearly never participated in a great deal of group vs group combat if you're saying that character skill is ancillary. It is the primary force at work, and augmented by the usual pots/food/gear, it's the core of PvP. Go run a 10v5 against a few Mercs and see how player skill works out. They're pretty decent players, not stellar, but high character skills ensure that they have the edge they need to beat the vast majority of other groups while outnumbered.

"There is no difficulty looking for a fight ever" is just a lie, unless you feel like fighting a city alone.

Kindly inform me of these "areas of frequent combat", instead of stating they exist flatly.

Also, you "addressed the playerbase population" did you? Where is your data sourced from?

We did find farming groups and attack them. They mounted, they ran, we usually killed them all or the vast majority... That's hardly PvP. That's ganking. Getting a bunch of cash for ganking some chumps mana missiling Elfshades isn't very enthralling. Where do the really PvPers fight, pray tell?

Yeah, sure, different game, I must've been playing on a different server when I rode for 3 and a half hours to find two 1v1 fights right next to player cities, or crossed Rubaiyat east to west without seeing one other person.

UO and SW:G are both sandboxes, because they incorporate a great deal of mechanics that allow for a similar abundance of player freedom. Darkfall does not, it just lets you PvP the shit out of whoever you like and maybe build a city if you nutcup 15 other clans hard enough. How is that a sandbox, and yet UO isn't?

Both my character skill and player skill were substantially above average. If I could log in and prove it to you, I would. I was able to withstand everything about the "combative nature" of the game other than the mindless tedium that filled in-between that combat. And to so boldly state that it's "one of several cornerstones", you might want to elaborate the other ones, so as not to look like, oh, someone who can't substantiate their lies. You know, like Tasos.

Hahahahaha, and then you put in "aside from EvE", possibly the only other game that meets those specifications. Brilliant.

Let me summarise: You have no substantial backing to any of your counterpoints, no evidence and no justification for your bold statements of fact. When you do, write another wall of text for me to spend an hour deconstructing and mocking. Then maybe you'll stop filling this thread with your baseless, subjective brown-nosing of Tasos and take your lack of literary talent to a less "challenging" thread.

Love and Waffles,

-Hellmoob-

NOTE: I'm not going to proofread this wall for typos, sue me.

Without taking sides here, that was one of the best overall refute posts that I've seen on this forum in the past year!

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Game mechanics need to be in place to give an RPG environment a "sandboxy" feel and "freedom", as you so love to call it. The typical response to "What do I do in DF" is to laugh condescendingly and say "Poor child, it is an RPG sandbox. Do as you want!"

Alright then, I'll be a travelling bard, shall I? Okay, so maybe I can't do that. RPG elements need to be supported by the game. In Darkfall you can be a zergling, a mercenary, or something economically focussed. The economy is dull and based purely on the amount of time one is willing to invest in it. There isn't much benefit to be had from having stacks of cash either. A dedicated solo crafter will never get as far as a clan alt who only logs in to turn externally gathered resources into items, because player skill is a totally absent mechanic. Very little in Darkfall is solo-friendly, and very little caters to the desires of individual players.

I'll only dignify your "lol grind" response with the fact that Darkfall in the single most level-based game on the market, because there are thousands of brutally dull levels of individual skills to progress through before you can be considered "competitive". If you disagree, go "get shit on" by Shuyin HAIL or Pho Hammar and tell me skills aren't a big deal. I've played Chinese Aion and it was nothing compared to Darkfall.

Full loot is the only reason people play, because face it, it feels good to take all the other guy's shit when he dies. It's a mechanic that's almost unique to Darkfall, and the added risk-reward does make PvP a lot more exhilarating and death more meaningful. If Darkfall PvP didn't have full loot, the PvP in the vast majority of FPSs (for FPS combat) and RPGs (for tactical combat) would be far superior. Darkfall's combat isn't complex or challenging in terms of cognition, but success has greater rewards than it would in the vast majority of other games. Perhaps I should extend to say "full loot free for all open world PvP", but I stand by my statement.

In other MMOs there is an element of player skill and knowledge to gathering. You know where the rare spawns are, you know where the low traffic spawns are... In darkfall every node is the same, and it suffers greatly for it. Why go to a dangerous area and mine iron when you can do it right next to a damn tower? There's not even a variation in yield. Darkfall gathering is a basic input-output timesink, and the single most basic, uninventive mechanic they could have conceived to fulfil the purpose.

You're right, crafting does behave like any other skill. A linear system with highly limited variation and no player skill. See, I stress "player skill", not character skill. You need to progress the crafting, but you don't even have to be at your keyboard to do it. I don't advocate minigame type systems, but there are far better ways to approach intuitive, skilled crafting. Ask a guy called "Preka", or else check out the MUD "Dragonrealms" to see one. I 'm taking too much time over this as it is.

If you don't know how to exploit every mob in the game into ridiculous easymode (cough, launch) then I don't see why you're trying to voice an opinion on PvE. The AI is lobotomized quake bots with shitty "abilities" that are usually of very limited use. If I'm mounted, no mob is ever going to stun me or snare me or DoT me to death... because those things don't exist. Shit walks up to you and punches you a lot, and they compensate for the lack of "real" AI by giving everything ridiculous health pools. Sad, but true. Also "the environment is the players" is the weakest substitute for "the PvE is shit" that I've ever heard.

I butchered your post to highlight things I feel need repeating.

I'm going to play WoW for a bit.
Afterall, the DFO community is always right.

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

--Wall of Reason--

 

Without taking sides here, that was one of the best overall refute posts that I've seen on this forum in the past year!

 

 

I have to agree, very well written, Hellmoob should start a blog. I'd read it...

 How long will it be before the devs create a guild called "Hellmoob" so that every guild on the server can simultaneously declare war on it?  It will easily be the greatest moment in all of Darkfall history.

HELLMOOB YOU OWN!!!!! and your 100% correct, and one intellegent SOB. KODOS....DF is not sandbox....fells exactly like lvling in COD4

Originally posted by Ubie

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

--Wall of Reason--

 

Without taking sides here, that was one of the best overall refute posts that I've seen on this forum in the past year!

 

 

I have to agree, very well written, Hellmoob should start a blog. I'd read it...

I second, no third that, no wait, whatever the number is that notion.....

This is one of the most well thought, articulate and overall sensible posts i've seen for quite some time

Great posts Hellmoob. Way to state your point and at least back it up with well thought out details vs the because I say so of many people both troll, hater and fanboy alike.

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

Let me summarise: You have no substantial backing to any of your counterpoints, no evidence and no justification for your bold statements of fact. When you do, write another wall of text for me to spend an hour deconstructing and mocking. Then maybe you'll stop filling this thread with your baseless, subjective brown-nosing of Tasos and take your lack of literary talent to a less "challenging" thread.

Love and Waffles,

-Hellmoob-

The person you were responding to thinks that even UO was NOT a sandbox... that should tell you the chances of comprehension for your counter-points to be understood. 

Sadly, some are so deafened by the din of Tasos' B.S. that they are forever lost to common sense and reason.  For those rare specimens mmorpg.com has made available a handy tool called Block. 

Thankfully I've only had to utilize this tool on just 3 occasions since I've started posting here. 

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by Ubie

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

--Wall of Reason--

 

Without taking sides here, that was one of the best overall refute posts that I've seen on this forum in the past year!

 

 

I have to agree, very well written, Hellmoob should start a blog. I'd read it...

I second, no third that, no wait, whatever the number is that notion.....

This is one of the most well thought, articulate and overall sensible posts i've seen for quite some time

I disagree. Considering the depth he went into and the time he spent both in game and writing the piece he should be doing long term MMO reviews. Blogs are both too shallow and too frequent.

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

Darkfall is so terrible.  I played in beta and knew there were no magical lines of code that they hadn't "unlocked" yet.  It was already clear the Devs didn't care what the community (read: intelligent posters) told them was wrong and how it could be fixed.  The majority of the fixes they did try were shoddy, rough compromises that made the game worse than it was before.

The sad thing is that Darkfall is going to crash in NA too.  I was a fanboi going into beta but by the end of it I was so furious with the developers I didn't really consider launch, and I knew it would be a complete mess what with the incompetence of their management.  Their website is years out of date and the game has been released - a simply unheard of lack of professionalism.  The Devs there seem to have this twisted view that professionalism doesn't matter, service doesn't matter, having a refined game doesnt matter - it's all dog-eat-dog and may the best PK win!  Tasos must be a childish buffoon, because only THAT mantra fits both with the game's intended playstyle and logically results in their total disregard for their playerbase/customers.

And oh how Darkfall failed.  Let me count the ways.  Well, melee combat has no variety or flavor at all.  It's hard to say much more than that, because most games have some flavor you can critique and fill a few paragraphs with.  Not with Darkfall.  The same goes with content.  What content?  There is none.  Never was.  Players were the content, as stated by the Devs time and again.  Damn those players and their shoddy content!  Always claiming to be a proper RPG substitute... A complete joke.  Seiging?  Is anyone serious about this?  Naked hoarding is all it is.  Never call it city seiging again.  The whole game is a naked grind fest for that matter.  Why carry items when you can hoard them in a personal bank of infinity, from which you can extract your items anywhere?  Let's not get started on crafting.  There isn't a soul who can defend their crafting system, not even the Dire Fanbois.  Speaking of mobs, wtf?  The AI in Darkfall was atrocious.  You could not make something less fun if you tried to.  It's all about glitching mobs out, or one person blocks while another hits.  Aside from those two things, they run around like complete pussies.  Unfun is unfun.  I'm not sure there is a single aspect of Darkfall that doesn't appear to be purposely unfun.  Zapping towers?  The only fun thing about the game, and you put zapping towers in.  So we've got no-risk macro's, safe shopping, and a place to run to hide, in the harshest MMO of all time?  It's bewildering, but yet it actually happened folks.  Mounts.  Try boat with legs.  That's how they handle - and they have just as many abilities.  Which reminds me of the animations.  Holy hell.  Animations are so easy, you can rent a book at the bookstore and learn it in a week.  That's why the animations seem so unreal - how could a group of professional programmers be so bad?  So unimaginative?  So unrealistic?  That reminds me of magic.  The magic in Darkfall.  I mean, really, is there a single system in the game that wasn't complete shit?  I wanted to love it, but EVERYTHING was shit.  The bow and arrow, ok, that was somewhat decent.  I will give them the bow and arrow.  Congrats, Darkfall, you have a decent bow/arrow system.

Next fucking game please.

Originally posted by drDamage

I am NOT judging the action of playing 12 hours a day as inherenly good OR bad, I merely stated that anyone who is that deeply drawn into a fantasy world is very likely to have distorted beliefs and/or unreasonable opinions about that subject. Good point to bring up a couple of the reasons WHY a person might play so many hours. Lets take people who are "depressed", "distorted beliefs and/or unreasonable opinions" are a factor here as well. Many people with physical disabilities have a tendency to become depressed so it wouldn't be a stretch to find this group somewhat delusional as well.

I have myself indeed played for twenty hours at a time in many games, In EQ1 I actually at one time had 2 computers "dedicated" for playing EQ, I had and paid for not one but three accounts and would at times also box one of my brothers characters while playing my three slots. Trust me I know a thing or two about "obsessive" disorders. I am not attacking anyone for playing that number of hours just stating what should be relatively obvious. I'll state it again, anyone that obsessed with a game world is likely to have a distorted opinion of things, especially relating directly to the subject material.

As far as saying Darkfall is only aimed at the "hardcore of the hardcore" the term "hardcore" is quite subjective. Do you mean its hardcore because of full looting?, thats no big deal really and many games have or have had full looting before. Darkfall is actually quite mild in a relative way to some other games I have played with repect to death penalty, you lose your crap... big deal go get more, you don't lose any XP or skill level, there are no lingering "death effects". All you do is eat some food take a pot and go on about playing. not all that hardcore at all.

One thing is for certain, the simple action of playing for 12 or 14 or even 20 hours a day does NOT automatically make you "hardcore", it merely indicates that you are obsessed with a particular game at that particular time. Again to be clear I am NOT judging the amount of time played, I really don't care.

Also I'll be on record as saying that Darkfall is not really all that hardcore, it is actually a pretty good game. Having said that I quite likely won't play it for a long time, but you wan't see me posting back here about how crappy the game is, or what an idiot the devs are or any such nonsense. its a great concept, it definately has some flaws but overall I am glad I have taken the time to experience it.

Fair enough.  Good post.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin 

Maintaining the same history; How someone, like yourself, for example, can support that a comment such as DF sucks, i know you knew it and now you know it, is a notable point to make about anything, as I pointed out, without supportive comments to accompany their personal point that lends notable insight as to why such a thing sucks, is nothing more than empty and non-notable points.  Now someone, such as yourself perhaps, that accepts such a statement as substantiation to adopt such a pointless thought, is not something to be proud of; unless one chooses to be so flamboiently ill-informed.

Holy shit!!!

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Well done on doing a nice bit of an ad hominem attack there, because you already know that you're not going to win anything else you post.

See, typical Darkfall fankiddie, upset after getting beat.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Since you won't know what it means. Even Wikipedia agrees that you're stupid and trying to change the subject.

You lose, Cik, stop raging and trying to insult myself and Murder Herd. Make another illogical, rambling, unsubstantiated fanboi post full of assertions for me to humiliate and then leave.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Out of reasonable arguments or just looking to get owned again?

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Why don't you just admit your game is crap and then people on here will be nice to you again.  If you just admit the game is crap then there is still some hope for you and I will agree to be your friend.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

 

Why don't you just admit your game is crap and then people on here will be nice to you again.  If you just admit the game is crap then there is still some hope for you and I will agree to be your friend.

I can't believe that you guys are still feeding that troll. It's been like what 3 days now?

Hellmoob won this thread. Forum pvp ftw!

Anyway, he just confirmed what we other's have suspected since this abomination hit the mmo scene. AV is let by a pathological liar, the devs are more or less clueless and their programming skill severly lacking. Not even the graphic artists show any promise. Even the old Morrowind looks, and most probably play better when you talk about fps/rpg hybrids. Atleast that's what I can see when I watch the vids from this game.

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by drDamage

Well If you play anything this much for this long, especially if your conditioned to the more popular quantity > quality  delusion as most are these days(this game does not even pretend to reward seniority over skill) and this post does indeed reek of that type of personality, which ties to the comment of "age based" forums, we have all seen fourty year olds act twelve and a few twelve year olds act thirty. Age is absolutely no indicator of intelligence or maturity and perhaps least of all social fitness.

 

Ah yes, the argument of seeing 40 yr olds acting 12 etc. Easy to say, harder to justify. Besides, I was being facetious, as in the all compassing, totally anonymous world of the interwebz...you can't verify the age of the person anyhow, making any such assumptions totally baseless and empty of substance. It also enables those of any age to act less civil towards others. Easy to insult without repercussions, try it in RL and it gets a little messier.

I do however agree that spending so much time over anything in such a short period of time will likely have a numbing effect and make all the negative aspects of it stand out all the more. Moderation is seldom observed these days anyway, so it happens much more often to have 'burnouts' than taking the slow pace and enjoyment filled ride that would alleviate alot of these rants.

I cannot say for the OP, I dare not.

I do notice one thing specific to DF, and that is this game is a time sink.  You need to be online, macroing afk or pressing the same button like a fool, to gain skills.  See the high skills he quoted?  He need that many online hours to get it.  If he only played for 100 hours and he got those skill levels, he is lying.

He might have logged 700+ hours onlilne, =/= he was sitting in front of the computer for those duration.  I hope he did not, for the sake of his sanity.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by drDamage

Well If you play anything this much for this long, especially if your conditioned to the more popular quantity > quality  delusion as most are these days(this game does not even pretend to reward seniority over skill) and this post does indeed reek of that type of personality, which ties to the comment of "age based" forums, we have all seen fourty year olds act twelve and a few twelve year olds act thirty. Age is absolutely no indicator of intelligence or maturity and perhaps least of all social fitness.

 

Ah yes, the argument of seeing 40 yr olds acting 12 etc. Easy to say, harder to justify. Besides, I was being facetious, as in the all compassing, totally anonymous world of the interwebz...you can't verify the age of the person anyhow, making any such assumptions totally baseless and empty of substance. It also enables those of any age to act less civil towards others. Easy to insult without repercussions, try it in RL and it gets a little messier.

I do however agree that spending so much time over anything in such a short period of time will likely have a numbing effect and make all the negative aspects of it stand out all the more. Moderation is seldom observed these days anyway, so it happens much more often to have 'burnouts' than taking the slow pace and enjoyment filled ride that would alleviate alot of these rants.

Age is a number that has no meaning when it relates to being immature much of the time, I think.  The nature of bad behavior, unfortunately, transcends age; perhaps a chemical imbalance.  What does possibly compound the numbing nature of something so empty, as might be the case with other mmo's, is the amount of time spent in a shallow enterprise, hanging onto false hope that it might improve.  But opinions and impressions are so immeasurable at times, that personal experience is key.  But then it becomes a cycle of his opinion vs hers....and that too, as seen here many times, becomes meaningless; again, going back to gaining your own experience through personal experience.

 

I tend to think of everything in moderation, and perhaps the things I take enjoyment in most are those that I partake in modestly.

Age is just a number, it is at least an objective number.  You dodge the argument by pulling up another measure called maturity, which is totally subjective and start arguing on the basis of your own judgment.

Way to argue, you can also cook up an index called Liked-by-Cik index and go about indexing each of us.  That would make your own argument easier.  You don't like me?  Rate me 0/100.  You win.

Originally posted by musicmann

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

Running around Darkfall naked because players are afraid of losing there best gear.Is not consider a game,It is not fun,It is not full loot..It is called chicken shit..The game is all pvp  nothing more and nothing less..It is a no brain game...I have better things to do in life than watching naked people running around and chasing each other.That must be real exciting for you!

Originally posted by drDamage

Gaming is like any bad habit I suppose. Just about anything done in moderation is "OK", yep smoking, drinking, crack even arsenic can be taken in small doses, however as the dosage increases the sensitivity usually increases exponentially. This would, I believe hold true in this environment as well. I hate getting my ass handed to me once a day, I really hate getting my ass handed to me twice a day and I positively can't stand getting my ass handed to me three times a day when I play twelve hours a day and I must be better than everyone else cause no one else tries as hard as me, therefore the game must be totally flawed. I can log on to WOW and own everyone cause I know all the tricks and here I can't do crap.

 

I can totally see this delusional state from ANYONE that immerses themselves in FANTASY for TWELVE hours a day for MONTHS....

Is it just me thats missing this? the OP thinks playing A GAME for 12 hours a day for MONTHS gives him credibility???????????????

Is that a theory?  Based on physical tests?  Physiological tests?  Or based on your whim, or err bullshits?

Where is the point of moderation, is that the same for every person.  Your moderation is say 12 hour or whatever, that applies to the OP who wrote that article?

What gives him credibility?  He makes sense, he writes with reason.

Do you think you really gain credibiility creating those totally baseless theory of "moderation", which is incomplete, non specific, and untested?

No.  The OP's writing makes good reading, yours? bullshit.

Having followed DF for some time pre-release, I remember Hellmoob as an active member of the forums, and believe I read enough of his posts to see that he's not some mouth breathing fuckwit. He's been there/done that in-game, so if you're going to listen to anyone give a critique of DF, you could do a lot worse than listening to him.

BTW, yes I played for a few weeks, and yes I agree with pretty much every negative DF post I've seen. Good luck to those of you that enjoy it, but please, stop trying to pretend the game is without flaw and without peer.