This probably has been said before... and I'm sure there's an existing thread but I have limited time to search through hundreds of pages and find the exact same thing. :P So, I'll come right out with it.

I realize that the game is being devloped by a different company than Star Wars Galaxies. But damn it... that game used to be so good. It embodied what the TRUE Star Wars saga is all about. Then, come these idiotic, no-plot, ridiculous acting, bore-fests (Episode I-III) and it turns the whole thing upside and ruins it as afar as I'm concerned.

Galaxies goes into the crapper because now EVERYONE has to be a friggen Jedi, and the game because it's so unbalanced had to be tweaked into something completely different. I played the game from Closed Beta on, and it's most definitely NOT what it used to be.

Now we get this new game. It has a lot of potential due to the newest technologies and so forth. But damn it... why Jedi again?! We have Clone Wars tv shows, and the Jedi Order books are endless now (more so than when SWG started). I feel like the saga that I grew up with, that I watched as a child is gone. It's replaced by flashing lights and nonsense that these kids and even adults sadly, are soaking up. What happened?

So what do I expect from this upcoming game? I think a better title would be, "Star Wars:The Same Old Republic" because I can't see a lot of new stuff being implemented. It's Jedi again, and instead of being against the Empire or bad guys in general, now it's the Sith.

It just blows me away that the whole original saga, the FOUNDATION of Star Wars had so much going for it. Thousands of named planets, characters, weapons, vehicles, and countless other items that could have been added along the way. SWG could have been the longest running, most updated MMO in history. It could have been something of greatness... but of course, the Jedi ruined it. The new movies, and tv shows did it in. This new game seems like a ploy to drag in more of the mindless hordes of people that got sucked into this Jedi craze. 

I've read their forums... looked at everything they have to offer. I've been registered there for months (been registered here for years). But I just don't see this game capturing what Star Wars is for me, and anyone who lived during the early 80's. This is a new generation and I think that's who this game is geared towards. Unless they expand on the available classes (to allow more non-Jedi), I can't see it being anything other than an upgraded version of Star Wars: Galaxies post NGE. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Thoughts?

The two classes that have been announced for TOR are bounty hunter and trooper. There will only be 2 jedi classes among 8 total classes. That leaves 4 non jedi classes to be revieled.

BioWare has stated that everyone plays a HEROIC character so Jedi will not be OP. There will be balance.

Furthermore every class in tor has its own story. That means everytime you roll an alt your story is different. I believe this will give people more incentive to play all of the classes through at least once (don't forget choices are going to be in the game and they will shape the characters outcome).

I am more worried about thousands of bounty hunters running around with names like xXBobba F3ttXx and claiming they are mandolorian.

SWG is dead......gtf over it.

Here's the thing I don't get though, aren't Jedi supposed to be overpowered?

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Here's the thing I don't get though, aren't Jedi supposed to be overpowered?

Yes but only against most common soldiers. You play the elite of the elite in the game.

For lore reference Bobba Fett was a Jedi Hunter. He killed plenty of Jedi by himself. If you read the books you will notice that mandolorians in general are very good at taking out Jedi. It is not hard to believe that not all Jedi are that amazing either. We only know about the top tier jedi, what about the scrubs? Maybe we will play one of those?

Originally posted by TJYoung80234

This probably has been said before... and I'm sure there's an existing thread but I have limited time to search through hundreds of pages and find the exact same thing. :P So, I'll come right out with it.

 

I realize that the game is being devloped by a different company than Star Wars Galaxies. But damn it... that game used to be so good. It embodied what the TRUE Star Wars saga is all about. Then, come these idiotic, no-plot, ridiculous acting, bore-fests (Episode I-III) and it turns the whole thing upside and ruins it as afar as I'm concerned.

 

So the original trilogy of movies was about....overpopulating Tattoine with empty houses? About BeastMasters with pet rancors on every corner of Mos Eisley? About Uncle Owen managing his moisture Farm? About Twi'lek girls dancing in a cantina all day? Funny, I seem to remember the movie being about the -EPIC- jounrey of a young man from being a silly little farmboy to becoming a -HERO- of the galaxy along with his trusted -COMPANIONS-. About one of the last -JEDI- fighting the -SITH- sitting on the throne of a Galactic Empire? Weird. I must have seen the wrong movies.

 

Galaxies goes into the crapper because now EVERYONE has to be a friggen Jedi, and the game because it's so unbalanced had to be tweaked into something completely different. I played the game from Closed Beta on, and it's most definitely NOT what it used to be.

 

Agree. SWG is not what it used to be.

 

Now we get this new game. It has a lot of potential due to the newest technologies and so forth. But damn it... why Jedi again?! We have Clone Wars tv shows, and the Jedi Order books are endless now (more so than when SWG started). I feel like the saga that I grew up with, that I watched as a child is gone. It's replaced by flashing lights and nonsense that these kids and even adults sadly, are soaking up. What happened?

 

Because the Old Republic is a setting in which BioWare made one of their most successful games. Because there is a HUGE following of people out there who LOVE this setting. And because in that setting, Jedi and Sith were quite numerous.

 

So what do I expect from this upcoming game? I think a better title would be, "Star Wars:The Same Old Republic" because I can't see a lot of new stuff being implemented. It's Jedi again, and instead of being against the Empire or bad guys in general, now it's the Sith.

 

It's funny you should say Jedi -again-. Because in the end, that's at least a big part of what the original trilogy was about, wasn't it? I mean...even one of the movies was named "Return of the Jedi". Kinda weird if you would just take them out of the whole thing, no?

 

It just blows me away that the whole original saga, the FOUNDATION of Star Wars had so much going for it. Thousands of named planets, characters, weapons, vehicles, and countless other items that could have been added along the way. SWG could have been the longest running, most updated MMO in history. It could have been something of greatness... but of course, the Jedi ruined it. The new movies, and tv shows did it in. This new game seems like a ploy to drag in more of the mindless hordes of people that got sucked into this Jedi craze. 

 

The original Saga also has something going against it as a gaming world: It is established, the events have happened and the STORY is told. There is very little room for creative freedom. Whereas in the Old Republic timeline, specifically the timeline TOR is set in, the developers have a lot of room to implement new stories and new content. Make sense?

 

I've read their forums... looked at everything they have to offer. I've been registered there for months (been registered here for years). But I just don't see this game capturing what Star Wars is for me, and anyone who lived during the early 80's. This is a new generation and I think that's who this game is geared towards. Unless they expand on the available classes (to allow more non-Jedi), I can't see it being anything other than an upgraded version of Star Wars: Galaxies post NGE. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

So far, two classes have been announced. BOTH non-Jedi. It is more or less guaranteed that Jedi and Sith will be a class, too. That'd be 2 out of (probably) 8 classes being Jedi/Sith. Yeah, wow. There will be NO choice whatsoever here.

 

Thoughts?

My thoughts? These kind of posts get old. People who want SWG version 2.0 are disappointed with TOR, I get that. Because it will most definately not be. People on the other hand who loved the KOTOR games, might be more happy about that.

What makes you right and us wrong? Or to put it more bluntly, Star Wars Galaxies had its shot. SOE ruined it. Time for the next episode. And until you have more info on it, you might want to be a little more careful with your -story- and if you want to stick with it. After all, neither you nor I know how this game is going to play out.

All we know is, it won't be SWG version 2.0. If that alone makes you angry, then I would advise you to ignore this game and look for one of the upcoming Sandbox titles, such as Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Mortal Online etc. You might even wanna check out EVE.

Singsofdeath you said it better than I :D .

I still for the life of me still can't figure out why some of SWG vets want to trash on a new SW mmo that anyone hardly knows anything about, other than a few classes and planets. To be honest, i can't see why anyone that played SWG pre-cu is still bitching and moaning about how SOE changed the game. If you want to still play SWG PRE-CU you can surely find the avenue to get you there, and for free i might add. You also will be able to play the new MMO when it get's released. To me that is a win/win situation.

Basically this thread is full of fail and redundant.

Originally posted by BioNut

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Here's the thing I don't get though, aren't Jedi supposed to be overpowered?

 

Yes but only against most common soldiers. You play the elite of the elite in the game.

For lore reference Bobba Fett was a Jedi Hunter. He killed plenty of Jedi by himself. If you read the books you will notice that mandolorians in general are very good at taking out Jedi. It is not hard to believe that not all Jedi are that amazing either. We only know about the top tier jedi, what about the scrubs? Maybe we will play one of those?

So the rest of the classes are the elite of the elite and jedis are the scrubs. Nice balancing out.

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

Just because the jedi would be the most popular class choice doesnt mean the game is flawed from inception. The biggest issue of SWG was class balance of jedi vs all others. So long as they make jedi balanced compared to other classes it will be fine. Sure sure, we see lone jedi cutting down battalions of troopers and bounty hunters in film and TV. But you have to ask yourself, must we sacrifice playability in order to strictly adhear to this perception?

Originally posted by TJYoung80234

 

I've read their forums... looked at everything they have to offer. I've been registered there for months (been registered here for years). But I just don't see this game capturing what Star Wars is for me, and anyone who lived during the early 80's. This is a new generation and I think that's who this game is geared towards. Unless they expand on the available classes (to allow more non-Jedi), I can't see it being anything other than an upgraded version of Star Wars: Galaxies post NGE. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

Thoughts?

You are old. Don't spend your social security check on MMO's anymore.

Originally posted by ianicus

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

 I question that what the video game industry is doing could actually be called "evolving"  A lot of times it seems more like "stagnating" to me as far as creativity and innovation are concerned.  In any event I feel the OPs' pain as far as Jedi and SWG goes.  That was what ruined it for me also.  I didn't even mind the combat and class changes as much.  If they had gotten rid of the Jedi there's a good chance I'd stil be playing. Having said that, I haven't completely written this new game off. Although it has Jedi I realize it's a different game and I'll wait for more info before deciding to try it  or not.  I have become less interested in it though, especially since I just learned they are planning on some kind of RMT system.

Originally posted by TJYoung80234

This probably has been said before... and I'm sure there's an existing thread but I have limited time to search through hundreds of pages and find the exact same thing. :P So, I'll come right out with it.

 

I realize that the game is being devloped by a different company than Star Wars Galaxies. But damn it... that game used to be so good. It embodied what the TRUE Star Wars saga is all about. Then, come these idiotic, no-plot, ridiculous acting, bore-fests (Episode I-III) and it turns the whole thing upside and ruins it as afar as I'm concerned.

 

Galaxies goes into the crapper because now EVERYONE has to be a friggen Jedi, and the game because it's so unbalanced had to be tweaked into something completely different. I played the game from Closed Beta on, and it's most definitely NOT what it used to be.

 

Now we get this new game. It has a lot of potential due to the newest technologies and so forth. But damn it... why Jedi again?! We have Clone Wars tv shows, and the Jedi Order books are endless now (more so than when SWG started). I feel like the saga that I grew up with, that I watched as a child is gone. It's replaced by flashing lights and nonsense that these kids and even adults sadly, are soaking up. What happened?

 

So what do I expect from this upcoming game? I think a better title would be, "Star Wars:The Same Old Republic" because I can't see a lot of new stuff being implemented. It's Jedi again, and instead of being against the Empire or bad guys in general, now it's the Sith.

 

It just blows me away that the whole original saga, the FOUNDATION of Star Wars had so much going for it. Thousands of named planets, characters, weapons, vehicles, and countless other items that could have been added along the way. SWG could have been the longest running, most updated MMO in history. It could have been something of greatness... but of course, the Jedi ruined it. The new movies, and tv shows did it in. This new game seems like a ploy to drag in more of the mindless hordes of people that got sucked into this Jedi craze. 

 

I've read their forums... looked at everything they have to offer. I've been registered there for months (been registered here for years). But I just don't see this game capturing what Star Wars is for me, and anyone who lived during the early 80's. This is a new generation and I think that's who this game is geared towards. Unless they expand on the available classes (to allow more non-Jedi), I can't see it being anything other than an upgraded version of Star Wars: Galaxies post NGE. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

Thoughts?

Well, i think you are completely wrong. Even the old saga is about Luke grew as a Jedi. Of course everyone wants to be a Jedi. That is the most glitzy and cool concept of a hero made for a long long time. I won't blame companies making games with roles that gamers want to play.

Just take a look at how popular jedi SP games are. In fact, it would be ILLOGICAL to do anything else BUT jedi focus.

I think you just need to get over it. SW Galaxy is not coming back.

Originally posted by Dosska

Originally posted by ianicus

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

 

 I question that what the video game industry is doing could actually be called "evolving"  A lot of times it seems more like "stagnating" to me as far as creativity and innovation are concerned.  In any event I feel the OPs' pain as far as Jedi and SWG goes.  That was what ruined it for me also.  I didn't even mind the combat and class changes as much.  If they had gotten rid of the Jedi there's a good chance I'd stil be playing. Having said that, I haven't completely written this new game off. Although it has Jedi I realize it's a different game and I'll wait for more info before deciding to try it  or not.  I have become less interested in it though, especially since I just learned they are planning on some kind of RMT system.

That RMT thing is just a rumor and it is a rumor the is attachted to every MMO in development.  Please stop poking the Flame-war beast with a stick...it makes him cranky

Originally posted by darkstryderx

Originally posted by Dosska

Originally posted by ianicus

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

 

 I question that what the video game industry is doing could actually be called "evolving"  A lot of times it seems more like "stagnating" to me as far as creativity and innovation are concerned.  In any event I feel the OPs' pain as far as Jedi and SWG goes.  That was what ruined it for me also.  I didn't even mind the combat and class changes as much.  If they had gotten rid of the Jedi there's a good chance I'd stil be playing. Having said that, I haven't completely written this new game off. Although it has Jedi I realize it's a different game and I'll wait for more info before deciding to try it  or not.  I have become less interested in it though, especially since I just learned they are planning on some kind of RMT system.

 

That RMT thing is just a rumor and it is a rumor the is attachted to every MMO in development.  Please stop poking the Flame-war beast with a stick...it makes him cranky

That's not true. I've read articles taht say TOR plans to implement an RMT, but not aboout other games in development.

I hope you are right, and it's just a rumor. I'd hate to see TOR ruined with RMT.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

That's not true. I've read articles taht say TOR plans to implement an RMT, but not aboout other games in development.

I hope you are right, and it's just a rumor. I'd hate to see TOR ruined with RMT.

To put this straight again:

There was -ONE- article that cited an interview with EA's chief that allegedly said TOR is considered as a mid-session game.

That article then was turned around as EA and BioWare both stated officially that this is a rumor and that the business model for TOR has not been decided on.

Which means: We don't know what business model TOR will use. And it also means, even IF MT's are part of it, we have no idea -HOW- they would be implemented.

Can we move on now?

Originally posted by TJYoung80234

This probably has been said before... and I'm sure there's an existing thread but I have limited time to search through hundreds of pages and find the exact same thing. :P So, I'll come right out with it.

 

I realize that the game is being devloped by a different company than Star Wars Galaxies. But damn it... that game used to be so good. It embodied what the TRUE Star Wars saga is all about. Then, come these idiotic, no-plot, ridiculous acting, bore-fests (Episode I-III) and it turns the whole thing upside and ruins it as afar as I'm concerned.

 

Galaxies goes into the crapper because now EVERYONE has to be a friggen Jedi, and the game because it's so unbalanced had to be tweaked into something completely different. I played the game from Closed Beta on, and it's most definitely NOT what it used to be.

 

Now we get this new game. It has a lot of potential due to the newest technologies and so forth. But damn it... why Jedi again?! We have Clone Wars tv shows, and the Jedi Order books are endless now (more so than when SWG started). I feel like the saga that I grew up with, that I watched as a child is gone. It's replaced by flashing lights and nonsense that these kids and even adults sadly, are soaking up. What happened?

 

So what do I expect from this upcoming game? I think a better title would be, "Star Wars:The Same Old Republic" because I can't see a lot of new stuff being implemented. It's Jedi again, and instead of being against the Empire or bad guys in general, now it's the Sith.

 

It just blows me away that the whole original saga, the FOUNDATION of Star Wars had so much going for it. Thousands of named planets, characters, weapons, vehicles, and countless other items that could have been added along the way. SWG could have been the longest running, most updated MMO in history. It could have been something of greatness... but of course, the Jedi ruined it. The new movies, and tv shows did it in. This new game seems like a ploy to drag in more of the mindless hordes of people that got sucked into this Jedi craze. 

 

I've read their forums... looked at everything they have to offer. I've been registered there for months (been registered here for years). But I just don't see this game capturing what Star Wars is for me, and anyone who lived during the early 80's. This is a new generation and I think that's who this game is geared towards. Unless they expand on the available classes (to allow more non-Jedi), I can't see it being anything other than an upgraded version of Star Wars: Galaxies post NGE. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

Thoughts?

There will only be 2 Jedi classes among 8 total classes!!!! Before U write anything..how about  do a little research!! And u call yourself a SW Fan? Pfff...

Star Wars Galaxies NEVER "embodied" what Star Wars is.... you're just looking through rose colored goggles. (SWG joke)

SWG was just a Space Western MMO....

Originally posted by darkstryderx

Originally posted by Dosska

Originally posted by ianicus

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

 

 I question that what the video game industry is doing could actually be called "evolving"  A lot of times it seems more like "stagnating" to me as far as creativity and innovation are concerned.  In any event I feel the OPs' pain as far as Jedi and SWG goes.  That was what ruined it for me also.  I didn't even mind the combat and class changes as much.  If they had gotten rid of the Jedi there's a good chance I'd stil be playing. Having said that, I haven't completely written this new game off. Although it has Jedi I realize it's a different game and I'll wait for more info before deciding to try it  or not.  I have become less interested in it though, especially since I just learned they are planning on some kind of RMT system.

 

That RMT thing is just a rumor and it is a rumor the is attachted to every MMO in development.  Please stop poking the Flame-war beast with a stick...it makes him cranky

Yeah that was something I just read in an article here on mmorpg.  I should have said "may be planning" instead of "are planning" That's what I actually meant. In any case, just the possiblity has knocked my interest level down somewhat. But hopefully it is just a rumor.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

That's not true. I've read articles taht say TOR plans to implement an RMT, but not aboout other games in development.

I hope you are right, and it's just a rumor. I'd hate to see TOR ruined with RMT.

 

To put this straight again:

There was -ONE- article that cited an interview with EA's chief that allegedly said TOR is considered as a mid-session game.

That article then was turned around as EA and BioWare both stated officially that this is a rumor and that the business model for TOR has not been decided on.

 

Which means: We don't know what business model TOR will use. And it also means, even IF MT's are part of it, we have no idea -HOW- they would be implemented.

 

Can we move on now?

I'll wait till the developers say they won't make TOR into a crappy RMT game, and then move on.

Originally posted by Dosska

Originally posted by ianicus

ok so you dont like biowares idea. Thats too bad, because im pretty sure its going to be a fun ride. What your looking for is not what the mass market is looking for anymore im afraid. The days of the sandbox mmo have come to a close as far as I can see, which is a shame, I love them too, but I can learn to love something different. If you cant learn to evolve with the video game industry your going to miss out bub.

 

 I question that what the video game industry is doing could actually be called "evolving"  A lot of times it seems more like "stagnating" to me as far as creativity and innovation are concerned.  In any event I feel the OPs' pain as far as Jedi and SWG goes.  That was what ruined it for me also.  I didn't even mind the combat and class changes as much.  If they had gotten rid of the Jedi there's a good chance I'd stil be playing. Having said that, I haven't completely written this new game off. Although it has Jedi I realize it's a different game and I'll wait for more info before deciding to try it  or not.  I have become less interested in it though, especially since I just learned they are planning on some kind of RMT system.

Well, even if it IS stagnateing as you say, thats evolution if you want to get technical, but in the end I disagree with your assement...

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

That's not true. I've read articles taht say TOR plans to implement an RMT, but not aboout other games in development.

I hope you are right, and it's just a rumor. I'd hate to see TOR ruined with RMT.

 

To put this straight again:

There was -ONE- article that cited an interview with EA's chief that allegedly said TOR is considered as a mid-session game.

That article then was turned around as EA and BioWare both stated officially that this is a rumor and that the business model for TOR has not been decided on.

 

Which means: We don't know what business model TOR will use. And it also means, even IF MT's are part of it, we have no idea -HOW- they would be implemented.

 

Can we move on now?

 

I'll wait till the developers say they won't make TOR into a crappy RMT game, and then move on.

I wasn't actually pointing this at you Ihmotepp. Probably shouldn't have quoted you.

I was more aiming at the poeple who keep making topics about it and keep acting as though it is already a done deal that this game will be RMT based. Taking the wait and hear it from the dev's approach is exactly what I think everyone should be doing. ^^

I dont want to be a jedi, I want to be a storm trooper and shoot people in the face.

Originally posted by Deathreat

I dont want to be a jedi, I want to be a storm trooper and shoot people in the face.

Lucky for you, Trooper is one of the two classes that has already been announced/confirmed. :D

Originally posted by Deathreat

I dont want to be a jedi, I want to be a storm trooper and shoot people in the face.

Too bad I will be a jedi and no storm trooper can shoot through my light saber :P