Eve

WWII online

SWG

Everquest

Maybe dark and light, but I never played that. 

others.

I'm surprised how many people are saying vanguard by far.  I think the games incredible view distance (especially from tall heights) and lack of artificial borders make the game appear larger than it actually is.  The chunks are not that big by themselves and can be crossed on the cheap level 10 mount in 3-4 minutes and felt a little smaller than typical zones in most games.  Combined the game is big indeed, but I doubt it would be bigger than say original everquest + kunark.  

 By scale its EVE, no doubt. It is thousands times bigger then all other MMO worlds combined.

If we speak about world with landscapes and content, I'd say Everquest 1. The game has 15 expansions and 700+ zones! SWG and AC are huge too, but most of their terrain is empty wilderness

Originally posted by mindw0rk

 By scale its EVE, no doubt. It is thousands times bigger then all other MMO worlds combined.

SWG and AC are huge too, but most of their terrain is empty wilderness

 

 

 

Like EVE's then?

Exploration in EVE....


Oh look the only thing different in each system is that the background is a different colour and this one has slightly less astroid belts than the last. Wooooooooo Exciting!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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If new MMO with more depth and complexity will release, EVE gonna crumble. But I dont see it happen in 5 years. SW: ToR is hardly even a MMO, more like singleplayer RPG

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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If Star Trek has some decent space flight/combat mechanics in place, it will do to Eve what WOW did to EQ.  If its intuitve and fun it will attract people to the space MMO genre that wouldn't touch it before due to an extreme lack of options.  Perople will realize in 1 minute...."Oooooh, a space MMO can actually be fun!!"  Kiss over 1/2 of Eve's playerbase good bye in one full swoop.

People might as well take Eve out of this disscussion.  Its not really a tangable world at all.  Its empty space with a few environment maps, copied and pasted 100s of times zone by zone.  Its a big movie set, because you can't interact with anything.  Its all a background.  Throw in some randomly dispersed asteroids and you've got yourself a zone that can litterally be created in less than a day.  Earth and Beyond has more world design in its mere year of existence than Eve has had in all its time.   

Everquest is huge, Vanguard is huge as well.

Mankidn was the biggest though.

900 Billion planets (THAT YOU CAN WALK ON)

EVE online is pretty big.

WOW is small compared to most but it's a gorgeous world none the least!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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You say Elitism but yet you have no idea of what you’re even talking about.

EVE-online is perhaps space but each corner of the game has a potential of content. A player station, a ship parked, a graveyard, an anomalie and so on.

EVE falling when other games come? You surely haven’t even made any research on your words. EVE has not a single time seen possible death since it’s release. (aside from the development hell they went through) CCP has 10+ more years of content to add to EVE.

So instead of talking out of pure hate, why not get some fact straights. Elitism you say? Damn straight, most EVE players are older and well educated people. That’s what you need to be able to play it. =P

So to jump back to the subject, EVE is one of the biggest game world.

I would say World War II Online and Eve Online

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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Yeeeaaaahhh,, you even ever checked out EVE longer then a day? Shit man, there's enough people you come across, even though the large 'emptyness' you seem to describe. The whole EVE universe is to be explored by players, every system has it's secrets. Ranging from wormholes, to pirate bases, to safespotted-players hoping not to get found, etc.

Besides that your statement of not being able to interact with planets or other objects is true, for now. they've been working for years already to create the possibility to dock in stations, and actually walk around there. there's already an internal alpha at this stage making you able to do just that. Obviously it takes a lot of time considering the sheer size and the various kinds of stations, you have to design the whole interior, the possibilities of setting up shops (not like a mere player shop like in L2 etc, an actual store in the station where you need to pay rent etc. to keep that part yours...) or bars and stuff for an extra income. there's a lot to take care of before it'll be able to hit the live server.

there's also already an alpha of atleast flying in the athmosphere of the planets, which also takes up a lot of time. Especially when you want to create the planets to be as unigue as possible. We're not talking about a mere map here, but a damn universe. when that's live it's probable that they'll start working on actually being able to interact further with the worlds.

And yes, I've registered for this thread which I came across when browsing this forum for info about MMO's. I just had to reply caus people who don't know wth they're talking about should be brought up to speed.

-TeKNoZem

I also dispute EvE being the biggest MMO.   Sure the game is utterly massive and I won't say otherwise,  It's even full of content though of types most people here will never get.   

However I ask is an AU still an AU when you can travel that distance less than 30 seconds?   That's just the question I have to ask before it gets paraded about as the biggest.

Originally posted by paulscott

I also dispute EvE being the biggest MMO.   Sure the game is utterly massive and I won't say otherwise,  It's even full of content though of types most people here will never get.   

However I ask is an AU still an AU when you can travel that distance less than 30 seconds?   That's just the question I have to ask before it gets paraded about as the biggest.

The reason it takes a mere 30 seconds to cross an AU is caus of the warpdrive.. they added that part in caus otherwise it would take days, weeks or maybe months to go from 1 stargate to another to get to the next system, around 30AU's appart traveling at a measly 126m/s in your glorious battleship. Seems like a logical choice to me. I tried to fly from stargate to the nearest station, which was 4 AU's away in a interceptor going 1.4km/s and I gave up after 1,5 hours.. I wasn't even near.

-TeKNoZem

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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EVE is adding Ambulation.  Granted, it will remain in the stations for the time being, but they can potentially add planetary interaction any time in the future.

Originally posted by Ponico

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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You say Elitism but yet you have no idea of what you’re even talking about.

EVE-online is perhaps space but each corner of the game has a potential of content. A player station, a ship parked, a graveyard, an anomalie and so on.

EVE falling when other games come? You surely haven’t even made any research on your words. EVE has not a single time seen possible death since it’s release. (aside from the development hell they went through) CCP has 10+ more years of content to add to EVE.

So instead of talking out of pure hate, why not get some fact straights. Elitism you say? Damn straight, most EVE players are older and well educated people. That’s what you need to be able to play it. =P

So to jump back to the subject, EVE is one of the biggest game world.

Don't get this guy started.  He't he biggest WoW / Blizzard / Theme-Park fanboy on the entire website.  Should you dare disagree that WoW is not the best MMO ever made, he will jump up and down and cry whilst telling you how little you know about games.

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by Zorndorf

EVE can't be compared with traditional fantasy mmorpg's. 99.5% is empty space and I am sure a game without even the slightest forms of gravity,... a landscape, .... or avatar legs/feet is extremely easy to fabricate on a "world design".

EVE is elitism, boring elitism in fact with 99.5% emptyness. The moment someone will make a real space game - with such trivial things as planets, woods, rivers and avatars who can actualy .... walk you'll see just how hollow it really is.

I expect it will crumble the moment Kotor, ST and th next space mmo from Blizzard will launch. Unless they start making real worlds (but kiss goodbye at that one server system).

As for biggest world: don't forget to distinguish between FULL 3D worlds and FAKE 3D worlds (like having underwater worlds, dungeons, complete Air systems).

Also the best mmorpg's are those where you can find .... players .... not empty space.

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EVE is adding Ambulation.  Granted, it will remain in the stations for the time being, but they can potentially add planetary interaction any time in the future.

 

Which is already being added one planet at a time. At EVE-Fest they already showed a techdemo of a ship entering orbit, or atleast flying in the atmosphere of a planet. Obviously they wanna finnish the whole deal before getting it on the test server followed by live.

-TeKNoZem

From the games I've played I'd say

SWG, FFXI, Vanguard, WoW

In that order.

I played EvE, and left twice because IMO it really didn't have any world at all.

The biggest game world out this point and time is Vanguard.It was Dark&Light which was Vast.

Vanguard ..

Thestra vanguard.gamepressure.com/images/thestra_nav2.jpg

Qalia vanguard.gamepressure.com/images/qalia_nav1.jpg

Kojan vanguard.gamepressure.com/images/kojan_nav1.jpg

vanguard.gamepressure.com/world_of_telon_map.asp click on each map

This does not include the vast dungeons that VG has..

This does not include the Isle of dawn map.

Across all three maps.

Dark&Light was VAST..

Look at this dragon flight vid just to give you some idea of the scale..Say what you want about DNL but it had the best world and sky i have seen in any mmorpg to date. Flying through the clouds was insane.

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15.000 Sq Miles not including the sea with no zones or instances..

www.darkandlight.com/en/

Dnl wins the biggest ever mmorpg with ease and everyone was on the same server in the one world,it was vast.

I still weep at what could of been...(

World War II Online, Battlground Europe.  Game renders the ENTIRE  Continent of Europe in 1/4 scale.  I don't think there's any non space game out there that can claim THAT much Non-Instanced land mass and ocean.

I know SWG and EVE are freaking massive.

It could take me all day to transverse Ryzoms world but I think that has more to do with the level of difficulty of the mobs living on the planet so I wouldn't but Ryzom up there.

I wish Vanguard didn't suck so much ass for me I would have more of an opinion on that game.

 Eve excluded since you don't even interact with a landmass hands down it's Battleground Europe.

Battleground Europe is a large chunk of Europe at 1/2 scale covering 350,00km with over 4 million 3d trees.

Granted only some of the towns are fought over at one time as the front line moves but it's damned impressive, try driving a tank from 1 town to the next closest at 30km/hour and you'll get the idea of it's size.  Now drive to one of the other 600 cities/towns and you'll see why this is much bigger than any other MMO out.  Line of sight of over 6 kilometers.  I've gotten tank kills with a German 88 of over 4 km away.

If you are talking RPG's and content after playing most P2P MMORPG's I'd say EQ wins easily.  Remeber this game is over 10 years old with 15 expansions and started quite large to begin with.  Like someone mentioned before there are over 700 zones a now and a phenomenal amount of items (check the items list at Allakhazams, it's in the millions).

I've played VG and it may have the largest single landmass of any RPG but when you combine all the zones EQ is easily larger.  I've run across the landmasses in VG, try running across all the landmasses in EQ.

In terms of zones and land mass it would have to be EQ.

To be honest I'm suprised no one has said Lineage II, it's still a pretty damn big game in it's own right.

http://www.lineage2.com/pds/images/worldmap_kamael.jpg
^Official map right there.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4479/newmapos8.jpg
This is a map showing the new gracia final land in addition to everything else.

Obviously I don't think it can compare, but it still is a big landmass. Not to mention it pretty much is all populated, not just a bunch of empty mass. (and all of the underground dungeons are pretty large as well)

Originally posted by paulscott

 

However I ask is an AU still an AU when you can travel that distance less than 30 seconds?   That's just the question I have to ask before it gets paraded about as the biggest.

in Lineage2 I can instantly teleport from 1 town to another, that doesn't mean that the space i just skipped over isn't there.  no one is trying to claim the space between systems is counted (when using jumpgates) but you don't HAVE to travel at warp speed, you could try to get from 1 astroid belt to another without warping, moving at 300-2000km/s.  it would just take you years to get there.  that area is still there, and someone could stop you with a warp disrupters at any point along that route, despite it being so big.

and zorn, even discounting EVE, WoW still isn't the biggest by far.  and what are these underwater worlds you keep talking about? there is almost nothing underwater in WOW, and flight is just a way to get from 1 spot on the ground to another.  even the floating islands in nagrand were completely useless and empty.

 EQ1 due to the sheer mass of expansions. Eternum Online could be close, too.

Originally posted by Quizzical

I've heard people say that EVE has a huge map, too. 

EVE does not have a map. Anyone can create a big empty space...

Originally posted by Tithrielle

Originally posted by Quizzical

I've heard people say that EVE has a huge map, too. 

 

EVE does not have a map. Anyone can create a big empty space...

Eve shouldn't be counted since its freaking outerspace!!

Saying Eve is empty shows just how much the quoted posted knows jack shit about Eve.