Wasnt TTH the site where AV went to give interviews and updates or whatever? Hmm.. Curious.

Oh and since when do you have to play a game on its terms? Doesnt that defeat the purpose? " If you want to play this game the way games are meant to be played then it sucks but if you look past the crappiness and can live with the swamp of suckiness then the game is fun! " Rrrriiiight.

I smell a overly biased review coming where the sole purpose is to clean AVs down stairs thoroughly to try and counter EGs review.

Originally posted by chokepoint

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by chokepoint

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by gnomad1

Originally posted by chokepoint

...and here are their first impressions.

 

"I won't repeat everyone else's assessment and note that Darkfall has "potential" - it's a solid, enjoyable game if you give it half a chance and play it on its own terms. I haven't played nearly long enough to give DF any kind of objective score, but sorry Eurogamer, this isn't a 4 / 10 game."

 

 

 

So he hasn't played long enough to give it an objective score but he knows that Eurogamer was wrong??

Loss of all crediblity in that statement alone.

 

If you read the first impresson again, it will be explained. He didnt do as you just did. Assuming something was wrong just because he didnt understand it.

He actually played for two hours. Doing many different things and experienced the gameplay. And anyone knows that Eurogamer didnt even bother to play it. They did the same thing as you did.

 

But Tasos complained that Eurogamer only played for several hours between two accounts.  This guy plays for only two hours and it is all good because he said some good things. 

This type of hypocracy is why people hate Darkfall.

 

I am sorry but where are you getting the impression that supporters of Darkfall are saying anything good about this review? All I can see in this thread is haters attacking the review, which is clearly labelled as a first impressions anyway.

You might want to read the "First Impression" and the posters' responces to said words... things will become more clear for you.
 

 

I think you're the one who needs to read here. Almost every post since the OP is trying to trash the review.

 

It's OK though, I realise now you're just another irrational MMORPG.com poster.

It's OK, I understand you are in denial, but all is good.  I  will spell it out for you.

The First Impression says many good and informative things about Darkfall.  He also has some reservations, but the tone of the article and the concluding sentence is that Darfall rates far better than the 4 out of 10 Eurogamer gave it.

Following that, certain posters have said that this "review/impression" is acceptible because of the positive spin, even though the author has only played for 2 hours.

The Eurogamer crew played for more time, but not by much from what I understand, and all the fans and Tasos said that was not long enough to evulaute the game.  Yet, this Tentonhammer review/impression is cool and the fanbois proclaim the impression valid. 

Two hours not good enough to bash, but 2 hours is good enough to praise.  THAT is the hypocracy.

Originally posted by daarco

I think we must talk some about the Eurogamer REVIEW, and this Tentonhammer FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

When we read the Eurogamers review, we could see that the person writing it had not played the game. If he would do the same thing to WoW, about ten million people would notice it. Same with DF, the ones playing noticed it.

Now Tentonhammer played for the same amout of time. And you can quickly see he did actually play the game. He got the looting "wrong" thou, i guess he will learn how to use the "F" key instead : )

What Eurogamer did with his two hours ingame, noone knows.

Now this I can agree, for I got the feeling that the Eurogamer author hated the game from the get go, and probably before he even played it.  I also agree that the Tentonhammer guy actually played it.

Still, the fact that 2 hours ain't enough to bash, but is more than enough to praise is what is bugging me.

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by daarco

I think we must talk some about the Eurogamer REVIEW, and this Tentonhammer FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

When we read the Eurogamers review, we could see that the person writing it had not played the game. If he would do the same thing to WoW, about ten million people would notice it. Same with DF, the ones playing noticed it.

Now Tentonhammer played for the same amout of time. And you can quickly see he did actually play the game. He got the looting "wrong" thou, i guess he will learn how to use the "F" key instead : )

What Eurogamer did with his two hours ingame, noone knows.

 

Now this I can agree, for I got the feeling that the Eurogamer author hated the game from the get go, and probably before he even played it.  I also agree that the Tentonhammer guy actually played it.

Still, the fact that 2 hours ain't enough to bash, but is more than enough to praise is what is bugging me.

 

IMO, its not the matter of time Eurogamer did spend in Darkfall. Its about they made a review without the whole game as IF they had played it. If they had told us they just had walked around in the noob town and tryed to kill a goblin....then giving it a 2/10 because it was boring. I would have less problem with it.

And it would be much easier to see it was not a actual review of a MMO.

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by daarco

I think we must talk some about the Eurogamer REVIEW, and this Tentonhammer FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

When we read the Eurogamers review, we could see that the person writing it had not played the game. If he would do the same thing to WoW, about ten million people would notice it. Same with DF, the ones playing noticed it.

Now Tentonhammer played for the same amout of time. And you can quickly see he did actually play the game. He got the looting "wrong" thou, i guess he will learn how to use the "F" key instead : )

What Eurogamer did with his two hours ingame, noone knows.

 

Now this I can agree, for I got the feeling that the Eurogamer author hated the game from the get go, and probably before he even played it.  I also agree that the Tentonhammer guy actually played it.

Still, the fact that 2 hours ain't enough to bash, but is more than enough to praise is what is bugging me.

 

 

IMO, its not the matter of time Eurogamer did spend in Darkfall. Its about they made a review without the whole game as IF they had played it. If they had told us they just had walked around in the noob town and tryed to kill a goblin....then giving it a 2/10 because it was boring. I would have less problem with it.

And it would be much easier to see it was not a actual review of a MMO.

Fair enough, that.  

The problem is that this game isnt for the typical PVE players. PLayers have to change their mindset of MMOs to really get into DF

All that hype for a terrible game with corrupt GMs, i'm glad I didn't hype myself up too much for it...

Originally posted by Czzarre

The problem is that this game isnt for the typical PVE players. PLayers have to change their mindset of MMOs to really get into DF

Players changing their mindset is a very rare thing. Especially when there's no incentive at all to do it. There is a limit to the amount of interference from other players most people will put up with and it's not very much. It's a world full of wolves and now way for the sheep to avoid them. 

I saw it earlier today.  Yes, it's a 1st impressions article, not a review.  We get it.  I think where some people take exceptions are:

• the title of htis thread is "...reviews Darkfall" and the article refutes the eurogamer review - this smacks of fan propaganda.  Rename the thread to actually match the article and no big deal.
• after playing for two hours he doesn't think it's a "4/10" game, but he can't give it an" objective" score - I'm assuming that's a typo since I consider 4/10 to be reasonable (i rated it a 5 on the eurogamer scale and 4.25 on the mmorpg.com scale), but 2/10 is pretty is pretty much just mean.  If he had said it's not a 2/10 game, I'd have to agree with that sentiment, even after only 2 hours of playtime

Regardless, I'm ok with the gist of the article.  It'll be interesting to see if he writes a full review or logs his adventures blog-style, a la Keen.

~Ripper

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Personally I can't really stand the site myself, but that's neither here nor there.
This isn't a review. 

The OP should change the title of his thread to be more accurate. Tentonhammer did not review the game.
They put out a newsletter, in that newsletter they had a first impression. 
The guy intentionally played the game for 2 hours to write about it.

DFO can have a great first impression, if you're into a ffa pvp mmo.
I've said this several times.
The problem with the game isn't that it start horrible.

It's what happens down the road.
For someone that very much enjoys a ffa pvp enviroment, and fps style combat, it's a blast when you start.
As you progress through the game, things go downhill quickly.  It's after you've spent a little time with DFO that things start to get incredibly repetitive, and shallow.

You do not need to play DFO for months on end to learn what the game offers.  The same things you do within the first hour will be the magority of what you do for the next several months; depending upon your play style.

If you like to explore, solo, pvp, you're gameplay experience won't change much at all from day one to day 60.  You'll just learn more about the game.
If you're more into grouping and pve, you can have the same experience fresh in as you will 60 days down.  Not a whole lot is going to change.
You can be seiging or def. a city/ hamlet in next to no time if that's what you want to do.  You find a clan and get to it.  The experience won't change much over the course of a couple months.  It stays relatively the same.

I can't really put much stock in his first impression for two reasons though.
He thought that crafting and harvesting was fun.
Crafting is exactly like WoW crafting, except that you do it about 1000x more then in WoW to level.
Harvesting is sitting there staring at your monitor while your character automates itself. 

I guess I can see liking crafting, it's a lot of pressing create, create, create.  Some people don't mind, I did.
Harvesting fun though?  YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING!  How exactly is doing nothing fun?

His first impression is the same style of writing I have seen for years that is used by apologists and non-commital writers.

I remember PC Magazine when Windoze95 first came out. They made a comment along the lines of "After we finally got the OS installed and working it was an outstanding product" That is an apologist comment by someone that doesn't want to take a firm stand and wants to stay middle of the road.

Like a  Senator from Wyoming once said, "You can walk down the left side or the right side of a road, but if you stay in the middle you will get run over" Middle ground is the milky toast way out for non-commital spineless people.

Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for a gaming review in one publication to reference the review score given by a different publication?  ......I wonder how much tAsus had to pay for this "review"? lol  It's hard to believe this kind of "damage control" service is available for free!

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for a gaming review in one publication to reference the review score given by a different publication?  ...

Yeah, I thought that was a bit strange as well.  Pretty tacky and not very professional, IMO, but whatever.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for a gaming review in one publication to reference the review score given by a different publication?  ......I wonder how much tAsus had to pay for this "review"? lol  It's hard to believe this kind of "damage control" service is available for free!

I thought it was completely uncalled for as well. It makes me feel like the person writing the article wanted to prove Eurogamer wrong no matter what and as such, I cannot take that TTH article at face value. Not that I take anything written on that website seriously anyway.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Is it just me or isn't it a bit strange for a gaming review in one publication to reference the review score given by a different publication?  ......I wonder how much tAsus had to pay for this "review"? lol  It's hard to believe this kind of "damage control" service is available for free!

 

I thought it was completely uncalled for as well. It makes me feel like the person writing the article wanted to prove Eurogamer wrong no matter what and as such, I cannot take that TTH article at face value. Not that I take anything written on that website seriously anyway.

Same for me, very unprofessional to discuss rival reviews - this reeks of "reviewer in the dev's pocket" syndrome.

We like playing and supporting darkfall. Most  of you haven't played or tried to experience the potential of darkfall and dislike it. Simple as that. This is someone's impression and he like darkfall and you don't. End of insults towards article writer.

There will always be something wrong with anything in the world but just appreciate it and you won't get butthurt over it.

Why do you think people like me play Darkfall? Because it has great qualities put together that no other MMO out today is similar to. You think we are retarded enough to play a boring game? Yes most of us admit the problems from time to time so you trolls don't have to talk about the same thing over and over again. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN DARKFALL.

I read this first impression but it doesnt say anything good about DF. It is just filler before praised of how great is mass pvp, sieges, boat fights (if they dont fly away lol).

Short version of it:

"It is open world pvp with full loot.

Good AI - lies. (It is same as all games, maybe except mobs running circles and high agro range)

New looting system (no personal opinion if it is good or bad)

Quests sucks. Reminder that this is sandbox.

Auto-optimization. Drops your graphic if fps lower then 30.

AV removed many bugs and exploits in last update (i dont believe it)."

I came to realize that people will like game if they expecting mass pvp, people politics and ganking.

They wont like it if they expecting to have even average pve, solo play, graphics, bug/exploit free game, no grind.

From this impression it is easy to guess that writer is going to be first type.

To be honest i think TTH just licking tasos boots/ trying to mess up eurogamer. At beginning and ending of review it is said about eurogamer review and given link: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/67635 and it may look that review sole reason is to put some dirt on eurogamer and Ed

It maybe true but we all know Tasos is liar so it maybe that Ed played for more longer. But this was discussed already and there is no real proof.

Originally posted by gnomad1

Originally posted by chokepoint

...and here are their first impressions.

 

"I won't repeat everyone else's assessment and note that Darkfall has "potential" - it's a solid, enjoyable game if you give it half a chance and play it on its own terms. I haven't played nearly long enough to give DF any kind of objective score, but sorry Eurogamer, this isn't a 4 / 10 game."

 

 

 

So he hasn't played long enough to give it an objective score but he knows that Eurogamer was wrong??

Loss of all crediblity in that statement alone.

Im sure he played it more than 3 hours.

Whoever wrote that "article" is oozing in fanboyism, because in his desperate attempt to refute EG's review he blunderously assumed it had received a 4/10 (which was the best-case scenario discussed in forums for the re-review, which is still pending btw), when in fact, Darkfall had gotten a 2/10 in the first review.

So it becomes obvious he was only trying to discredit Eurogamer's review, instead of giving an honest review himself. (and with that error he failed even in that too)

Originally posted by Galadourn

Whoever wrote that "article" is oozing in fanboyism, because in his desperate attempt to refute EG's review he blunderously assumed it had received a 4/10 (which was the best-case scenario discussed in forums for the re-review, which is still pending btw), when in fact, Darkfall had gotten a 2/10 in the first review.

 

So it becomes obvious he was only trying to discredit Eurogamer's review, instead of giving an honest review himself. (and with that error he failed even in that too)

So you mean its impossible for someone to like Darkfall, without beeing a blinded fanboi?