Originally posted by JGMIII

Why do we need all of these quests in a MMO telling us exactly where to go and what to kill?

Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?

Why do you need that Npc to tell you to walk passed that hill and kill ten wolves? Do you lack the motivation to actually explore over that hill on your own and kill a few wolves?

Why must I be told to explore a ruin or deep cave and kill a boss? Why can't we just explore the map with friends discover a ruins or cave and kill the boss on our own?

So much hand holding is needed in todays MMOs, Noone wants to just explore, group up and take shit down.

Why must we follow a lame story set on rails? Do you lack the imagination to create your own adventures and Rp with a group of friends?

Why do we need all of these stupid collection quests? can we not just go find a nice camp and kill mobs and vendor the stuff we loot? is it not the same thing?

It seems people need Quests to lead them, they are incapable of doing anything on their own.

The MMOs I played Gave us these epic sized gameworlds, filled it with challenging mobs and just said "Go".

We didn;t need to be lead around like an animal, Sure we may have had missions in game but they were optional and only gave currency kinda like a job.

In todays MMos Quests give you so much more XP that you cant do anything else, if you do your gimped to hell.

They basically kill Exploration and Rp. I'm sorry if a NPC has to tell you to travel to a location you're not exploring.

The lack of imagination to Rp and create our own adventures and the lack of motivation to explore and set out on our own little adventure kills me. Play MMos like your a dog, I refuse to.

 

"Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?"

Yeah .. way more fun than standing at the same place killing the same mob in the same span of tiem.

way more fun than being ganged again and again at the same place by the same bullies.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

"Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?"

Yeah .. way more fun than standing at the same place killing the same mob in the same span of tiem.

way more fun than being ganged again and again at the same place by the same bullies.

 

In what game does that happen? 

I never hunt in the same area in Ryzom and I can;t probe out Combat, hacking and Arch sites in the same systems over and over in Eve.

Also Ryzom isnt FFApvp and Eve has safe zones.

Oh your talking about that PoS darkfall? bahh it blows wait for earthrise it will have safe zones and give ya some freedom without being freaking ganked by a few cimps a hundred times.

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by nariusseldon

"Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?"

Yeah .. way more fun than standing at the same place killing the same mob in the same span of tiem.

way more fun than being ganged again and again at the same place by the same bullies.

 

 

In what game does that happen? 

I never hunt in the same area in Ryzom and I can;t probe out Combat, hacking and Arch sites in the same systems over and over in Eve.

Also Ryzom isnt FFApvp and Eve has safe zones.

Oh your talking about that PoS darkfall? bahh it blows wait for earthrise it will have safe zones and give ya some freedom without being freaking ganked by a few cimps a hundred times.

 

 Sorry but EVE has no safe zones ,it does have "safer" zones ,but no where except a NPC station are you safe from pvp,even without a wardec ,people might attack you in empire hi-sec if you are hauling something valuable that outweights the loss exponentialy.

 In any case,on topic ,people are slowly maturing and starting to want to do stuff on their own without having their hand held and be given instant gratification,a small sigh is that more and more people are flocking to games like EVE (Darkfail is not a game like EVE,it's just 2 points above Hello Kitty Online)

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by nariusseldon

"Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?"

Yeah .. way more fun than standing at the same place killing the same mob in the same span of tiem.

way more fun than being ganged again and again at the same place by the same bullies.

 

 

In what game does that happen? 

I never hunt in the same area in Ryzom and I can;t probe out Combat, hacking and Arch sites in the same systems over and over in Eve.

Also Ryzom isnt FFApvp and Eve has safe zones.

Oh your talking about that PoS darkfall? bahh it blows wait for earthrise it will have safe zones and give ya some freedom without being freaking ganked by a few cimps a hundred times.

 

 

 Sorry but EVE has no safe zones ,it does have "safer" zones ,but no where except a NPC station are you safe from pvp,even without a wardec ,people might attack you in empire hi-sec if you are hauling something valuable that outweights the loss exponentialy.

 In any case,on topic ,people are slowly maturing and starting to want to do stuff on their own without having their hand held and be given instant gratification,a small sigh is that more and more people are flocking to games like EVE (Darkfail is not a game like EVE,it's just 2 points above Hello Kitty Online)

Oh stop I know eve is 23/7 pvp in some form but as long as you arent retarded your safe in high sec.

If your a complete carebear you could stay in a NPC corp and mine all day and never worry about anyone, mission running is also like that.

The rest of your post I agree with.

Edit: we don't need to keep trying to make Eve sound so bad ass, everyone knows the game is awesome :)

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by Salvatoris

As much h as the Eve players like to think their game is fundamentally different than other MMOS, it is really pretty similar.  The XP in eve is cash.  The more you have, the better equipment you can field.  Eve is a game about grinding ISK rather than XP... in the end it's just like most other MMOs, except that the quest system is super lame.  In the absence of decent story driven content, the players have to create their own motivations and goals... and somehow they find freedom in that lack of gameplay options.

EvE dosent have a quest system my friend. Its just one way of grinding ISK to fly missions no diffrent then Sitting in an astroid belt and grinding for ISK... EVE is a Grind, for the people that have minds and focus and vision enough to understand WHY WE GRIND. I Get ISK to Wage War on other players, to build mor cheeper ships/weapons then other players, To controll the market from other players. EvE is a PVP game on all lvls, That is the beauty of it. Now I like to make money IRL also, its fun to make stuff and sell it and get money in the bank. Its fun to compet against other  franchises/brands and beat them. EVE is about going againt other players in the market, on the manafacturing table or on the battlefield. Its not about running the newest Theme Park ride that the devs made for you to enjoy. That is the diffrence In my book a human opponent beats an AI 10 times  out of 10. 

EVE dosent have Gamplay Options that the Devs put in front of you. But you could for exampel, like a few players have done for years now Start a bank, loan out money and invest in the market  http://www.eve-bank.net/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 . Show my a Theme Park game where players could do this???

In EvE i can spend months spying in a corp and finaly stealing everything they have worked so hard to get.. Show me a Theme park MMO that offers me this?? 

In EVE I can also build my own starbase and station and change how the world looks show me a Theme Park MMO that offers me This??

In EvE I can shoot people and make them explode and loot thiere stuff, making a living grinding Real people for ISK show me a Theme Park MMO that offers me This?

In EVE I can start producing something that the Comunity at first dident know they needed but with advertisment and a sound business plan I can start to make alot off ISK off it. Im working for example to get more people into using Booster right now/ drugs in EvE. Also you can tap into a market that is fresh and new and make alot of ISK selling somthing there that nobody thought about selling. Show me a Theme Park MMO where I can do this???

I can go on all day but the core of EVE is it tht you can make a shit load of money if you have the brains and vison to do so, I know people that for example sell bookmarks to wormholes and Cosmos sites, it was lucrative as hell in the old days but EVE changed and with warp to 0,0 the bookmark selling droped.

Also if there are big Wars going down a competent arms dealer can keep them suplied if he knows and keeps up with the news ( we do have people that work as Jounralist in EVE also)

Within CCPS game world the only thing that limits what you can to are the BOarders of the sandbox. Its not about Quests its not about E-pen/getting gear its about competing against human opponents mush like CHEES or other great board games.

And yes, Eve fanboys do believe they are hardcore for playing Eve.  They also honestly believe they are more intelligent and mature than people who play any other MMO.  Of course, not everyone who plays Eve is a fanboy, but the percentage is much higher than most games.

And you ask why we think we are at the top of the FOOD chain, EvE needs creativity and brains  to play,

 

Now Salvatoris I hope this clears up any missunderstandings or missconceptions you migth have about EVE

Post like this destroy whatever goodwill eve players have. The only thing consistant about EVE is the grinding for ISK. Spy operation doesnt happen often unless the corp is stupid or having bad diplomacy policy. Grinding people for ISK needs 2 condition. Firstly you have to be in low sec. Secondly you fly blind. Anyone who plays eve for few weeks understand the importance of intelligence and prudence. So may I ask how do one grind players consistantly without getting gank in return?

And I will say again, given what EVE is. It is a fairly safe game, those who say otherwise, please humour me. 

Moreover, you have just throw insult to dozen of eve vet who writes guides for newplayers. If you think you have accomplish something in EVE makes you lord of the world, think again. Go out to the outside world and have some fresh H2O

Originally posted by chender

Post like this destroy whatever goodwill eve players have. The only thing consistant about EVE is the grinding for ISK. Spy operation doesnt happen often unless the corp is stupid or having bad diplomacy policy. Grinding people for ISK needs 2 condition. Firstly you have to be in low sec. Secondly you fly blind. Anyone who plays eve for few weeks understand the importance of intelligence and prudence. So may I ask how do one grind players consistantly without getting gank in return?

And I will say again, given what EVE is. It is a fairly safe game, those who say otherwise, please humour me. 

Moreover, you have just throw insult to dozen of eve vet who writes guides for newplayers. If you think you have accomplish something in EVE makes you lord of the world, think again. Go out to the outside world and have some fresh H2O

You sound just as bad as Zlayer.

One player destroys whatever good will eve players have? Judging an entire playerbase off one guys crazy posts doesnt seem a bit much to you?

Also people make great livings in Eve through pvp also all mmos have a grind so please don;t come here and try to bad mouth Eve when every other MMo has even more of a grind than eve does.

"Eve is the grinding of ISK" give me a break already we need to grind something its not like we grind skills in the game.

I'm curious. How do you come to a conclusion that I have use a player's post to judge the entire eve population? The last time I knew, i'm impling plural entities. For e.g "people like bush destroy whatever trust American has" is this sentence mean I have judge every American in the world? Maybe I'm not good in my explanation my English teacher can do alot better.
And again I don't understand, I have neither mention eve had more grind than other mmo nor eve is some thing bad. If you don't understand my post could you not quote?

Edit: "eve is grinding of isk"and "the only consistant about eve is grinding of isk" implied different meaning so next time be nice to quote full sentence if you really want to quote

Originally posted by JGMIII

Why do we need all of these quests in a MMO telling us exactly where to go and what to kill?

Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?

Why do you need that Npc to tell you to walk passed that hill and kill ten wolves? Do you lack the motivation to actually explore over that hill on your own and kill a few wolves?

Why must I be told to explore a ruin or deep cave and kill a boss? Why can't we just explore the map with friends discover a ruins or cave and kill the boss on our own?

So much hand holding is needed in todays MMOs, Noone wants to just explore, group up and take shit down.

Why must we follow a lame story set on rails? Do you lack the imagination to create your own adventures and Rp with a group of friends?

Why do we need all of these stupid collection quests? can we not just go find a nice camp and kill mobs and vendor the stuff we loot? is it not the same thing?

It seems people need Quests to lead them, they are incapable of doing anything on their own.

The MMOs I played Gave us these epic sized gameworlds, filled it with challenging mobs and just said "Go".

We didn;t need to be lead around like an animal, Sure we may have had missions in game but they were optional and only gave currency kinda like a job.

In todays MMos Quests give you so much more XP that you cant do anything else, if you do your gimped to hell.

They basically kill Exploration and Rp. I'm sorry if a NPC has to tell you to travel to a location you're not exploring.

The lack of imagination to Rp and create our own adventures and the lack of motivation to explore and set out on our own little adventure kills me. Play MMos like your a dog, I refuse to.

 

Yeah right...most people back then didn't really explore either.  They jumped from camp spot to camp spot.  I loved EQ but the way some people refer to it at times is just downright silly.  Yes, I had a blast with the game but acting like people did some revolutionary things in that game that you just don't see in games now is just lying to yourself.
 

I guess whatever gets you through the day but some of you people seriously need to rethink how it really was because the way some of you sugarcoat those games and days is just mind blowing at times.  I see just as many people in these games that like to explore and rp as I did back then. You  don't have tobe  handheld in these games now a days but some do...and much as some of you like to deny it to yourselves they did back then to.  Only difference was they had to make a bit of effort on their own to find where they needed to go and then they would fall right in line and do the same crap over and over again-camping the same crap over and over again.

I've always grouped up with people and just explored in these games.  Granted at times that ends up getting us in deep shit but that's part of the fun of it.  Modern games still have that element if you, the player, choose to utilize it.  All the quests do is provide another element to the game.

I loved EQ but glad those days are over and I love quests if they actually have an interesting story line.  No, I'm not a fan of "collect 10 radishes for Farmer Joe" crap but there are some games that actually have some interesting quest lines.  Certainly not as many as I would like but hopefully some games in the future try harder at this.

The only thing I miss, and I do mean only thing, from those days is the death penalty.  It's a bit ridiculous when you have games out now a days where people will actually kill themselves because it's a quicker way to travel around and the penalty for dying is so moot that one would actually consider doing that. 

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by mbd1968

You sound like my grandfather... he always started with "Before the war..."  whereas you start with "In the old MMOs..." times change. If you don't want to do the quests, don't, nobody is forcing you. Play the game as you want and let people play it as they want. Or alternatively you can pay everybody $15/month and tell them how to play.

If you no longer feel you can play these type of games because of quests find a new hobby.

 

What did you do Add Eve as your "current" mmo to seem cool to fellow forum goers?

Dude of all people that should atleast understand where im comming from it should be a Eve player.

Games like Eve and Ryzom are exactly the types of MMOs that let you Rp, Explore and not follow handholding quests areound like you dont have a brain.

I doubt you even play Eve because you last line wouldn't have even been typed.

I don't know if I would say EVE isn't a handholding game. 

I mean, you enter the game, and you keep doing the same quests over and over for ISK.  It's like one of the biggest hand-holding games ever.  It's not even challenging.  They give you a quest, and you leave space and just click Encounter -> Warp to Location, or you do Set Destination on the destination and autopilot there.

The game is pure hand-holding.  What makes EVE even worse is how the game is garbage.  I mean, it's all time based.  I remember playing it and I literally had so much ISK that I could buy a ship I couldn't possibly have gotten in that time period because of the time-based skill training system.

I don't like games where I can't plow through the content and become the best.  EVE is a game like that.  I mean, EVE is a game where it takes months of time just to train skills.  It's really fucking horrible.  Even EQ wasn't as much bullshit as EVE is.   In EQ I could take a level 1 and put godly gear on him, then level to 60-65 in a matter of days.  You can't do that in retarded MMORPGs that say "It takes 5 years of RL time to train this skill".

The combat system is similar.  You could just get modules / skills to fight for you, so if your ship is good you can send it to an encounter and go shopping or something.  

EVE is an epic failure.  

WoW is similar, you level to 80 by following quests and looking on minimaps where to go.  No one reads the quests of course, because they have no relation to the story.  There are a bunch of add-ons in WoW that tell you what direction to go, etc. It's really pathetic, but then again games that use quests for leveling are pathetic.

To the guy who said "don't do quests if you don't enjoy them.", wtf are you on?  If you don't do the retarded quests in WoW, then you level twice as slow as someone who is doing the quests.  Yeah, don't do the quests and take longer than some retarded player to level to 80, that sounds like a great idea guy.  Making it even worse is how they put good loot tables on trivial quests.  Oh, you kill the boss of some instance, here is a blue item.  Yeah, players need some incentive to do quests in WoW, clearly they wouldn't realize that instance NPCs have better loot, and so they need 5-10 quests in order to have any incentive of doing an instance.  

Now if you want a game without handholding, I think the only one is Everquest.  That game had almost no quests, except ones that were designed to boost faction or give really godly items.  When you level in EQ, you just keep looking for higher and higher level mobs, and ones that are known to have good loot tables.  

EQ > All other MMOs combined

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by nariusseldon

"Stacking 25-50 quests in a log and being lead around a map like a dog is fun?"

Yeah .. way more fun than standing at the same place killing the same mob in the same span of tiem.

way more fun than being ganged again and again at the same place by the same bullies.

 

 

In what game does that happen? 

I never hunt in the same area in Ryzom and I can;t probe out Combat, hacking and Arch sites in the same systems over and over in Eve.

Also Ryzom isnt FFApvp and Eve has safe zones.

Oh your talking about that PoS darkfall? bahh it blows wait for earthrise it will have safe zones and give ya some freedom without being freaking ganked by a few cimps a hundred times.

 

EQ. There are only a few spots to efficiently gain xp at a certain level.  The grind was unbelievably boring and questing helps a great deal.

Safe zones means there are zones who are NOT safe. So I can go wherever I want without being ganged.