Originally posted by stillkillin

more lies from the left wing media

fox news is way up in the ratings and is the number 1 cable channel in america

more and more people are turning out to the tea partys and look for the july 4th tea party to have millions of real americans

obama is dropping in the polls like a rock

the left wing is dying and everyone knows that by 2010 we will have everything besides the white house back that the lovely and powerful sarah palin will take in a landside in 2012

Actually Nickelodeon was the top cable network last year.

The term "Real America(ns)" is probably one of the biggest reasons the Republicans lost the last election.

His decline has been heavier than average.  I personally thought that was to be expected.  A lot of people voted for him on hype and not issues.  Something I really wish people would get over.

There is no possible way that the Democratic party is dying.  You know that.  You're only saying that because the OP said your party was dying.  It's the same as some kid telling another kid that he smells, only to have kid number 2 respond with "Uh uh you smell".  Stop being dense.

Also.  Sarah Palin isn't fit to be president.  It really doesn't seem like a topic for debate to me, she really isn't knowledgeable enough.  You thought Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright was bad?  Wait until people call out Palin and her husband for their associations with a group of sessesionist.

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Obama myself.  I wanted Ron Paul, I still want him, but America chose.  As an American(a real one) all I can do is support our president.  Something a lot of people seem to not be able to do anymore.  The guy is the elected leader of our country, try and have his back.  Real Americans would.

Also, OP, the Republican party isn't going anywhere.  They are down, but far from out.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by stillkillin

 

fox news is way up in the ratings and is the number 1 cable channel in america
more and more people are turning out to the tea partys and look for the july 4th tea party to have millions of real americans
obama is dropping in the polls like a rock

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Fox news ratings don't matter and have noting to do with the GOP losing demographics. The fact that most Republicans sit in front of the T.V. at night has nothing to do with their popularity with the country. I bet half of the people watching Fox News are liberals who are waiting around for Bill O to slip up again for the millionth time like he did saying American troops committed war crimes at Malmady or watching Glenn Beck and his national "Cry Along" hour.

Obama's job approval ratings dropping like a rock? Check Fox News:

Fox News Poll for Obama's job approval ratings since January:

January 27th- 64% approve, 17% disapprove.

February 17th- 62% approve, 19% disapprove.

March 3- 61% approve, 21% disapprove.

March 31- 52% approve, 35% disapprove.

April 22- 57% approve, 29% disapprove.

May 12- 57% approve, 30% disapprove.

Overall average since January by Fox New's data? 58.8% approve, 25% disapprove. Dropping like a rock huh? And that's FOX NEWS, not even the "liberal left wing polls", lol. You DO trust Fox News, don't you? That's just his job approvals. Fox has President Obama even higher on his favorability ratings. Palin? She's no longer in anyone's polling data because she's a celebrity now.

Americans are also polling as seeing a sharp increase in positive feelings that the country is headed on the right track under President Obama's direction. In October under Bush, 87% of people thought the country was headed in the wrong direction while only 10% said the right direction, lol. Now that President Obama is in charge, that high number is down to only 47.2% saying wrong direction, while 44.9% say the country is now going in the right direction. President Obama cut negativity practically in half from what Bush had it at.

 

In The party of NO just doesn't get that and that's why they fail.

 

 

Wow, that was some severe ownage of Stillkillin.  Nicely done.  Great thread too.  Nearly everything in America is 'confidence-based', and Obama's ability to turn around America's collective confidence is epic.

Originally posted by popinjay

All of the Octomom's kids are all going to be Democrats and they love President Obama.

Haha!  Are you sure you want to trumpet this statement?  Nadya Suleman is the epitome of soaking money from the taxpayers.  It's going to cost an estimated $5 million to raise her children.  Now, in this celebrity obsessed society of ours, she may have succeeded in making money off the media by pimping out her children, but she has already cost California taxpayers a lot of money that they should not have to pay.  But you are right, she is just the kind of person the Democratic Party is looking for.  The more dependent on government you are the better.

You know what I just learned today?  I learned that this is the lowest percentage of the population that has identified with the Republican Party since August, 1983.  Does that era sound familiar to anyone?  Well I'm guessing that it was so low back then because America was just coming out of a terrible recession (still as bad or even worse than the current one).  And we know what happened to Ronald Reagan in 1984.  He won one of the biggest landslides in Presidential history.  So it's not the percentage that matters.  It's the message.  The Republcian Party has to start preaching the virtues of smaller government again.  And not only preach it, but they have to live it as well.  If they do that, they will win many of the disenfranchised back, including me.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by outfctrl

 

I don't see what was wrong the last eight years. 

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Neither do the Republicans, and this is why they are failing with nearly every demographic and they continue to slide.

 

Proof from the Washington Post, not a liberal newspaper.

Excerpt:

 

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President Bush has presided over the weakest eight-year span for the U.S. economy in decades, according to an analysis of key data, and economists across the ideological spectrum increasingly view his two terms as a time of little progress on the nation's thorniest fiscal challenges.

 

 

The number of jobs in the nation increased by about 2 percent during Bush's tenure, the most tepid growth over any eight-year span since data collection began seven decades ago. Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output, grew at the slowest pace for a period of that length since the Truman administration. And Americans' incomes grew more slowly than in any presidency since the 1960s, other than that of Bush's father.

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/double facepalm

The washington post is perhaps the most liberal newspaper in the country (only the NYT might be more liberal, but that's debatable). It's the Washington Times that is the non-liberal paper in Washington. Not that this has any bearing on the facts though.

The economy started to falter the minute the democrats captured the congress. Now, personally, I feel economic rises and falls have little to do with the person or persons in power at the time, but IF we are going to blame the economy with who was in power, it was the democrats that brought about the major downfall.

Also people are forgetting the dot.com boom/bust and the clinton recession (again not really Clinton's fault per se but in keeping with the childish way people argue around here it was Clinton's recession)  as well as the economic downturn caused by 9-11, but then, people hate Bush more than they love their country, which is a very sad thing and is still prevalent.

I guess you can't argue with success though. Democrats united over hate, and they won.

The Republicans have two choices: either unite as the party of liberty, or learn to hate as well as the democrats. I hope they choose the former. I doubt they will -- the old power cores are too entrenched to make much change.

In that case they can copy the democrats and use hate as the ticket back to power. It'll work if they have the stomach for it.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by popinjay

All of the Octomom's kids are all going to be Democrats and they love President Obama.

 

Haha!  Are you sure you want to trumpet this statement?  Nadya Suleman is the epitome of soaking money from the taxpayers.  It's going to cost an estimated $5 million to raise her children.  Now, in this celebrity obsessed society of ours, she may have succeeded in making money off the media by pimping out her children, but she has already cost California taxpayers a lot of money that they should not have to pay.  But you are right, she is just the kind of person the Democratic Party is looking for.  The more dependent on government you are the better.

You know what I just learned today?  I learned that this is the lowest percentage of the the population that has identified with the Republican Party since August, 1983.  Does that era sound familiar to anyone?  Well I'm guessing that it was so low back then because America was just coming out of a terrible recession (still as bad or even worse than the current one).  And we know what happened to Ronald Reagan in 1984.  He won one of the biggest landslides in Presidential history.  So it's not the percentage that matters.  It's the message.  The Republcian Party has to start preaching the virtues of smaller government again.  And not only preach it, but they have to live it as well.  If they do that, they will win many of the disenfranchised back, including me.

The democrats have succeeded in creating a permanent underclass that will continue to vote for more and bigger government. This is the greatest threat to our liberty this century.

de Tocqueville's prophesy is coming true:

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

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Originally posted by Dis_Ordur

Wow, that was some severe ownage of Stillkillin.  Nicely done.  Great thread too.  Nearly everything in America is 'confidence-based', and Obama's ability to turn around America's collective confidence is epic.

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Well, it's just the facts, that's all. I just put them up but they usually don't read them. Hopefully that can change and actual debates without personal namecalling can start. With people using at least SOME fact to support their opinion. Not blog posts from right wing sites. I have no problem with people calling President Obama something, but why attack the poster?

No one has confidence in the Republicans at all, not even their own constituents because they are bailing left and right. They lost all economic credibility based on Bush's disasterous eight years of mismanagement, spending and apathy (Bush was on vacation 900 days during his time in office).

People believe President Obama because he's been visible since Day 2, the markets have stabilized as he said they would under his plan, and the jobs will return within the next year or so. Housing is also on a rebound as well. He just got Congress to pass credit card company reform so they can no longer charge people 30% interest, prohibiting them from ever paying down the principal but keep paying the interest. Things are looking up and improving incrementally, and the American people can feel it.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Dis_Ordur

 

Wow, that was some severe ownage of Stillkillin.  Nicely done.  Great thread too.  Nearly everything in America is 'confidence-based', and Obama's ability to turn around America's collective confidence is epic.

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Well, it's just the facts, that's all. I just put them up but they usually don't read them. Hopefully that can change and actual debates without personal namecalling can start. With people using at least SOME fact to support their opinion. Not blog posts from right wing sites. I have no problem with people calling President Obama something, but why attack the poster?

 

No one has confidence in the Republicans at all, not even their own constituents because they are bailing left and right. They lost all economic credibility based on Bush's disasterous eight years of mismanagement, spending and apathy (Bush was on vacation 900 days during his time in office).

 

People believe President Obama because he's been visible since Day 2, the markets have stabilized as he said they would under his plan, and the jobs will return within the next year or so. Housing is also on a rebound as well. He just got Congress to pass credit card company reform so they can no longer charge people 30% interest, prohibiting them from ever paying down the principal but keep paying the interest. Things are looking up and improving incrementally, and the American people can feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, the people are going to start feeling it.  They just need to bend over a little, that's all. 

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Originally posted by Zindaihas

Haha!  Are you sure you want to trumpet this statement?  Nadya Suleman is the epitome of soaking money from the taxpayers.  It's going to cost an estimated $5 million to raise her children.  Now, in this celebrity obsessed society of ours, she may have succeeded in making money off the media by pimping out her children, but she has already cost California taxpayers a lot of money that they should not have to pay.  But you are right, she is just the kind of person the Democratic Party is looking for.  The more dependent on government you are the better.
You know what I just learned today?  I learned that this is the lowest percentage of the population that has identified with the Republican Party since August, 1983.  Does that era sound familiar to anyone?  Well I'm guessing that it was so low back then because America was just coming out of a terrible recession (still as bad or even worse than the current one).  And we know what happened to Ronald Reagan in 1984.  He won one of the biggest landslides in Presidential history.  So it's not the percentage that matters.  It's the message.  The Republcian Party has to start preaching the virtues of smaller government again.  And not only preach it, but they have to live it as well.  If they do that, they will win many of the disenfranchised back, including me.

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Sure Zind. I'll certainly stand by it.

#1- Eight votes to counter someone's twins from putting a greedy Republican politician in office is eight votes. I'm fine with that. With shows like this, its no wonder where she got the idea:

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Jon & Kate Plus 8 is a reality television show produced in the United States by Figure 8 Films about the Gosselin family, consisting of parents Jon and Kate and their eight children—a set of fraternal twin girls and a set of sextuplets (three girls and three boys, all fraternal). The show follows the family through their daily lives, focusing on the challenges of raising multiple children. The show originally aired on Discovery Health, but has aired on TLC since season 3. The show is currently one of the highest rated programs on TLC.[1] The family originally appeared in a one-hour special titled Surviving Sextuplets and Twins.

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You don't think those people paid for all those births on their own, do you? Guess who paid for those kids?

Octomom's won't cost them 5 million dollars I don't think. She will have corporate sponsors and donations just like every other multiple sextuplet or equivalent birth in the United States. She already has a website and free diapers and other baby stuff. She's already living in a $564,900 dollar home that wasn't paid for buy the State of California. So how did that happen? Taxes? Nope, sponsorship. Octomom's already got her own capitalistic show so you should be proud. It will not cost the taxpayer's 5 million dollars.

Where did you see a $5 million dollar number? If its just an estimate, it's that. There's nothing in stone saying it DID cost that or will. Some of her kids might die. They may become child actors. She may hit the lottery. All you are saying is that if she got no more income on her own, which is unlikely, that the taxpayer will have to pay. That's a big IF.

Reagan won a landslide because Carter was leaving office under one of the worst economic times ever, which was directly tied to.. Oil. I remember odd/even days of license plate gas buying very well. The difference is, Bush made this mess so as long as President Obama does a little better (which is easy compared to what the Republicans did) he'll get re-elected. If the economy improves then there is no Republican alive who will be able to claim credit and President Obama will cruise. Going back to "values" is what got them in trouble, exclusionary values and Terry Schiavo meddling.

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Originally posted by outfctrl

Yeah, the people are going to start feeling it.  They just need to bend over a little, that's all. 

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I think I'll pass on this one. It's not designed for actual discussion and comment.

C'mon outf.. what's wrong with Americans loving their President for a change and having pride again? We've been ashamed of our last one for eight years whenever we got on a plane to go overseas. We surely needed this boost and I can see people daily smiling a little bit easier than we were one year ago, and during Hurricane Katrina.

I hope you really mean what you say in regards to a "better" party appearing.  Honestly, I do too.  The current fad of hating Republicans will be a two-edged sword.  The thing the Dems touted over the years they weren't in power was that partisan politics didn't help America.  Well guess what they immediately start doing once they gain control?  Partisan politics and demonizing Republicans.  Sure, it will be fun for a while.  But, when the time comes to pay the piper, the only people who will be to blame will be Democrats.  Every policy for, very likely the next 8 years, will be labeled Democrat.  And if it doesn't work, just like the Republicans, the Dems will implode too.  And that isn't a very big IF either.  In 8 years, the bill for the stimulus package will have begun to weigh America down.  In 8 years, social security and medicare will begin to show whether they are going to implode or not if they aren't fixed.  In 8 years, the results of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan will become evident.  In 8 years the global warming proponent's most dire predictions will have either come or passed.  And you can say, but this administration did not start those things, it will still happen on their watch.  It will still be on them whether they fix problems or not.  And if they don't, there will be hell to pay.  Mob rules are fickle, they love you one day, hate you the next.  And the Dems are living by mob rules at the moment. 

So, I say, have your fun.  There will be a day of reckoning, and Dems might not like what replaces the Republican party they love to hate right now.

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Originally posted by daeandor

I hope you really mean what you say in regards to a "better" party appearing.  Honestly, I do too.  The current fad of hating Republicans will be a two-edged sword.  The thing the Dems touted over the years they weren't in power was that partisan politics didn't help America.  Well guess what they immediately start doing once they gain control?  Partisan politics and demonizing Republicans.  Sure, it will be fun for a while.  But, when the time comes to pay the piper, the only people who will be to blame will be Democrats.  Every policy for, very likely the next 8 years, will be labeled Democrat.  And if it doesn't work, just like the Republicans, the Dems will implode too.  And that isn't a very big IF either.  In 8 years, the bill for the stimulus package will have begun to weigh America down.  In 8 years, social security and medicare will begin to show whether they are going to implode or not if they aren't fixed.  In 8 years, the results of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan will become evident.  In 8 years the global warming proponent's most dire predictions will have either come or passed.  And you can say, but this administration did not start those things, it will still happen on their watch.  It will still be on them whether they fix problems or not.  And if they don't, there will be hell to pay.  Mob rules are fickle, they love you one day, hate you the next.  And the Dems are living by mob rules at the moment. 
 
So, I say, have your fun.  There will be a day of reckoning, and Dems might not like what replaces the Republican party they love to hate right now.

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I think that the moderates or the "Goldwater" Republicans will start to leave. If enough of them leave and get serious, they really can replace the Republican party as the legitimate counter to Democrats. They really wouldn't have to do much either.

All they would have to do is bring the basic conservative values that William Buckley, Barry Goldwater, Eisenhower, and quite a few older Republicans that most never heard of espouse, and leave the "culture warrior" crap to the Republicans like Rush.

They would effectively remove the parasite that the church has been from their body, we'd have less church and state arguments and be able to promote serious reform that would include everyone. Not just heterosexual, White American men. Most people in American are not conservative in everything, they have some liberal leanings as well. The older Republicans from the 40's 50's were able to seperate social issues from fiscal issues. These modern guys cannot, they were raised that conservative means the whole bag; church, state and money.

If those moderate Republican split, they can form a party right along with moderate Democrats on a fiscal platform. Both of the remaining people in both parties would have to become harder to appease their driving forces; the Democrats spine would be exposed as anti-religious groups and the Republicans neocons exposed along with the church religious backings.

Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.

All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.

Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....

GULLIBLE!

HAHA

Oh, I forgot....Bend over

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Originally posted by outfctrl
Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.
All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.
Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....
GULLIBLE!
HAHA
Oh, I forgot....Bend over

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Post Office.

Firemen.

Police Officers.

Libraries.

Medicare/Medicaid.

Amtrak.

Education system.

We've had these socialized things for years in the United States and most times they work fantastically. I don't fear more democratic socialization. Why do you?

Originally posted by outfctrl

Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.

All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.

Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....

GULLIBLE!

HAHA

Oh, I forgot....Bend over

Its so easy to mesmerize the people. Obama casts a spell on the gullible masses. Now they're so heavily investing in their delusions, they now feel bound to supporting Mr. Change no matter what. Its going to be increasingly amusing as the things they are required to support become more and more hurtful to themselves. But they'll have no choice but to keep on supporting.

All the while the empty rhetoric of years prior will haunt them... what happened to all the good changes they were promised and honestly expected to manifest? In the end they will have to just accept that was all just talk, and settle for some petty partisan "Now its our turn to destroy America! Take that you jealous republicans!" masturbation.

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Originally posted by barkjj

Half the things you listed were Constitutional Rights. I know you guys hate the Constitution too, but good luck getting rid of it.

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I can only figure you aren't talking about this list, because half of these aren't constitutional rights.

Post Office.

Firemen.

Police Officers.

Libraries.

Medicare/Medicaid.

Amtrak.

Education system.

What exactly are you ranting about?

Originally posted by TinHatPat

Originally posted by outfctrl

Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.

All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.

Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....

GULLIBLE!

HAHA

Oh, I forgot....Bend over

 

Its so easy to mesmerize the people. Obama casts a spell on the gullible masses. Now they're so heavily investing in their delusions, they now feel bound to supporting Mr. Change no matter what. Its going to be increasingly amusing as the things they are required to support become more and more hurtful to themselves. But they'll have no choice but to keep on supporting.

All the while the empty rhetoric of years prior will haunt them... what happened to all the good changes they were promised and honestly expected to manifest? In the end they will have to just accept that was all just talk, and settle for some petty partisan "Now its our turn to destroy America! Take that you jealous republicans!" masturbation.

 

I agree that people in this country are far too supportive of people instead of ideas.  I've said before that both Republicans and Democrats, for the most part, will be willing vote for things they don't believe in just because someone they believe in feels a certain way.

You just have to acknowledge that the delusion of the masses works both ways.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by outfctrl
Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.
All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.
Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....
GULLIBLE!
HAHA
Oh, I forgot....Bend over

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Post Office.

The People that constantly bring me junk mail and Nothing of any real value? The Ones I pay More to FedEx to Bypass? Good Ridance.

Firemen.

Mine are Volunteer.... So whats your point? Sure we still pay for Equipment but local taxes cover this.

Police Officers.

70% of our Poilice force Opperating Budget comes from tickets.....

Libraries.

Empty 80% of the times I go into them. Still would support them tho. Local taxes Would be more than Enough.

Medicare/Medicaid.

Complete waste of Money. If People cant save and takecare of themselves Why should the rest of us Who do?

Amtrak.

You mean the Damnthing Downtown that hits cars every month or so? Good Ridance.

Education system.

Oh yes the thing you Love to point out I'm a Product of... You realy are bad at this...

 

 

We've had these socialized things for years in the United States and most times they work fantastically horrably. I don't fear more democratic socialization. Why do you?

 

Lets see.. Yeah the Above...

We should stop having a socialized military. I mean, a corporation would be better and we spend half our money on it anyway. And if the corporation sucks we can just find another military because competition.

I want to know why the same people who will sit there and tell me the government can't do anything right with regards to social issues, but the moment it comes to killing people overseas or general military / intelligence (wiretaps, etc) concerns they are the first ones to throw all their money at the government to do it?

Originally posted by popinjay

It's official.

 

Gallup shows proof that the 21% Club is losing ground with just about everyone in America due to it's outdated model and out-of-touch policies. The Democratic party appears to be staying younger in age, while the Republican party appears to be staying elderly in age.

 

Excerpt:

 

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"The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup."

 

Aside from education, for which the parties were basically at even strength in 2001, the Republicans' losses tend to be greater among groups that were not strong GOP supporters to begin with. These include self-identified liberals and moderates, church non-attenders, and lower-income and young adults.

 

In turn, the GOP has generally avoided significant losses among only its most loyal groups, including frequent churchgoers and self-identified conservatives. The Republican Party maintains majority support among these two groups.

 

The Republican Party clearly has lost a lot of support since 2001, the first year of George W. Bush's administration. Most of the loss in support actually occurred beginning in 2005, after Hurricane Katrina and Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court -- both of which created major public relations problems for the administration -- and amid declining support for the Iraq war. By the end of 2008, the party had its worst positioning against the Democrats in nearly two decades.

 

 

 

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Man, I really would like to see this party dissolve in my lifetime like the Whigs did, to be replaced with something better; non-capitalistic and less inherently greedy as thieves. It seems the only people holding onto these guys anymore are exactly who President Obama said they were, lol.

 

 

 

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Said by President Obama:

 

"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

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Bitterness? Check. Republican.

Cling to guns? Check. Republican.

Cling to religion? Check. Republican.

Intolerance to gays, anti-trade and anti-immigrant sentiments? Check. Republican.

 

 

The 21% Club. Now accepting members. Intolerance, fear and greed training provided; bring your own craziness.

Makes one wonder what kind of agenda they have at Gallup since they run a story made to make republicans look bad when their most recent polling has democrats and republicans all tied up at 32% and even tied up at 45% with leaners included (first time in about four years).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

Originally posted by Squirt5

We should stop having a socialized military. I mean, a corporation would be better and we spend half our money on it anyway. And if the corporation sucks we can just find another military because competition.

I want to know why the same people who will sit there and tell me the government can't do anything right with regards to social issues, but the moment it comes to killing people overseas or general military / intelligence (wiretaps, etc) concerns they are the first ones to throw all their money at the government to do it?

The Military is one of the delegated powers specifically listed in the constitution. Social "issues" are not.

Government is for only the things worth shooting people over. Laws are not voluntary, every thing the government does involves compulsion and coercion.

That is why it is very bad at "social issues."

What can i say.

www.youtube.com/watch

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Squirt5

We should stop having a socialized military. I mean, a corporation would be better and we spend half our money on it anyway. And if the corporation sucks we can just find another military because competition.

I want to know why the same people who will sit there and tell me the government can't do anything right with regards to social issues, but the moment it comes to killing people overseas or general military / intelligence (wiretaps, etc) concerns they are the first ones to throw all their money at the government to do it?

 

The Military is one of the delegated powers specifically listed in the constitution. Social "issues" are not.

Government is for only the things worth shooting people over. Laws are not voluntary, every thing the government does involves compulsion and coercion.

That is why it is very bad at "social issues."

If I remember correctly the only thing regarding the military in the Constitution is that Congress is responsible for its budget and declaring war, and the President is Commander-in-Chief. So why can't a corporation be the military under those conditions?

I also think a government should serve the people. While I don't really like government (any centeralized, concentrated form of power is corrupt imo), I dislike corporations more. At least in an idealized government I and everyone else would have power in what is going on. Under a corporation that is not true.

Originally posted by barkjj

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by barkjj

 

Half the things you listed were Constitutional Rights. I know you guys hate the Constitution too, but good luck getting rid of it.

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I can only figure you aren't talking about this list, because half of these aren't constitutional rights.

 

Post Office.

Firemen.

Police Officers.

Libraries.

Medicare/Medicaid.

Amtrak.

Education system.

 

 

 

 

 

What exactly are you ranting about?
 

Guns and religion in the OP.
 

I could give a rats ass about Religion, but it's a Right. I don't like liberals, but I will defend thier right to free speech (which doesn't exist anymore, H.R. 13).

Those programs you listed above, nope it's not in the Constitution, so why are Democrats still pushing for this crap? You're a Democrat right?

 

Their about to get rude awaking vary soon

"The Worst Is Yet to Come": If You're Not Petrified, You're Not Paying Attention

Howard Davidowitz, chairman of Davidowitz & Associates. here is a guy that gets it and not many do... video on left side of your screen.. a must see.

But when newt took over congress yrs ago they said the Dem's where doomed to but they came back thanks to the help of the Republicans and so shall it be with the Conservatives and the independents.

The time to blame bush is over, this his economy now.SSi is broke,Medicare is broke, post office is broke government is broke.

Amtrak is broke..GM is bankrupt,Chrysler is bankrupt.everything the government touches goes down in flames and the bills are coming do real fast..People are not stupid their optioning out either by choice are because their forced to because of a lack of work.

70 % of GDP is consumer spending and it has come to a complete halt..

Never before in the history of the US has so many people had so much fire power in their hands.like right now people are arming themselves to the teeth and and its only going to get worst as time goes by...when the government runs out of money guess who will be in the streets...those that are on the government pay role..

Today California is voting on 4 props that raise taxes,we should know soon how all this is going to playing out.

You are looking at the death of the Liberal,they are imploding before our eyes.Broken promises.

I refuse to let the past control my future..For i learn and move on.

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Originally posted by Ekibiogami

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Originally posted by popinjay

 
Post Office.
The People that constantly bring me junk mail and Nothing of any real value? The Ones I pay More to FedEx to Bypass? Good Ridance. Put a stamp on a letter, step outside your house and stick it in your mailbox on Monday and it goes to someone's doorstep in California by Wednesday all for 44 cents. I think your carrier pigeon would have a hard time matching that.

Firemen.
Mine are Volunteer.... So whats your point? Sure we still pay for Equipment but local taxes cover this. Mine aren't volunteer. They are highly paid professionals that undergo training and use the best equipment like thermal imaging. They responded to 9/11 by going to NY and assisting for months, often after their own shifts. They have flown around the country to assist in fires as far away as Texas. I don't know what point you want me to make other than paid fireman are good and do a helluva job. I'm glad they are socialized.

Police Officers.
70% of our Poilice force Opperating Budget comes from tickets.....First, proof? None? I see you went to the Darth Vader school of posting where we are supposed to take what you post as factual as gospel. Second, what does the good service cops provide have to do with that? The majority of a hick town's revenue may be tickets of the local interstate, but not large to midsized cities. If your police force is like that hick town, you need to move. Right away. You live in the middle of nowhere and they are shafting you, but most cops aren't that way They actually have crimes to stop.

Libraries.
Empty 80% of the times I go into them. Still would support them tho. Local taxes Would be more than Enough.The socialized library system in our country is worth it? Wow, we both agree on something! Woot!

Medicare/Medicaid.
Complete waste of Money. If People cant save and takecare of themselves Why should the rest of us Who do?Tell that to the elderly who have worked their whole lives building this country and making it what it is today, and their pension funds died because of some greedy Republican plant owner who packed up and moved to Brazil. As was said, the mark of any society is how it treats its elderly.

Amtrak.
You mean the Damnthing Downtown that hits cars every month or so? Good Ridance.Amtrak helps keep commerce running, especially in the Northeast corridor where most of the nation's business is conducted. But I agree that this isn't the best overall use of subsidy monies and should be improved, expanded and if not, disbanded.

Education system.
Oh yes the thing you Love to point out I'm a Product of... You realy are bad at this... Based on your avatar quote, and your spelling... I would say you maybe have a point on this one that I might have to concede. But then again, you live in Texas, and one person slipping through the cracks is no reason to scrap a whole system so.. most public schools are good. They aren't all inner city traps of teacher apathy. Public schools in suburban areas are VERY good and they wouldn't exist without the socialized system.
 
 

We've had these socialized things for years in the United States and most times they work fantastically horrably. I don't fear more democratic socialization. Why do you?

 

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Originally posted by clwoods

Originally posted by TinHatPat

Originally posted by outfctrl

Mark my words.  All you people who thought you would be getting a tax cut is a dream.  Your tax cut is out the window.  With all Obamas spending, he is going to have to pay for it.  How?  You.

All his promises are going out the window and you liberals believed every word.

Now we are going to have Government control of banks, car manufacturers, credit card companies and many more.  You have just bought into a socialist state.   Whats the word?....umm...lets see.....

GULLIBLE!

HAHA

Oh, I forgot....Bend over

 

Its so easy to mesmerize the people. Obama casts a spell on the gullible masses. Now they're so heavily investing in their delusions, they now feel bound to supporting Mr. Change no matter what. Its going to be increasingly amusing as the things they are required to support become more and more hurtful to themselves. But they'll have no choice but to keep on supporting.

All the while the empty rhetoric of years prior will haunt them... what happened to all the good changes they were promised and honestly expected to manifest? In the end they will have to just accept that was all just talk, and settle for some petty partisan "Now its our turn to destroy America! Take that you jealous republicans!" masturbation.

 

I agree that people in this country are far too supportive of people instead of ideas.  I've said before that both Republicans and Democrats, for the most part, will be willing vote for things they don't believe in just because someone they believe in feels a certain way.

You just have to acknowledge that the delusion of the masses works both ways.

No doubt about it.

Those of you who think you are Republican should take a step back and consider how you're being used just like the Democrats in a game of divide and conquer.