Originally posted by Emeraq

Originally posted by Kainis

Haven't read much of the thread, but the title is disturbing me. Playing devil's advocate, who does the OP think he is demanding that a developer give him a new version of his old game? Does the OP really feel that entitled? Is this what developers can expect from communities now? Me, Me, Me?

 

/end_soapbox rant

I was going to say unfortunately yes, but after thinking about it, fortunately yes.... If developers don't give communities that say me, me, me what they want, then the me, me, me don't give the developers what they want.. $$$

The problem is the ME, ME, ME sandbox people don't give anyone $$$!  If they did, we'd have more sandboxes from higher quality developers.  The sandbox people can't agree on what they want, so developers don't listen to them, because its bad business to cater to people so fickle and picky.   Not to mention they always end up destroying their own games anyway.  UO is always mentioned as being great Pre-Tramel, which was only a brief section of its history.  A mere 2 years out of 11 or 12?  Sandbox players are to blame for not supporting the developers that try to cater to them. 

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Ultima Online 1997
Ultima Online: The Second Age 1998
Lineage 1998
Ultima IX: Ascension 1999
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle 2003
City of Heroes 2004
City of Villains 2005 t
Tabula Rasa 2007

These are just the MMO's he's been part of.

Richard Garriott is the Godfather of all mmos, and those who disrespect  this man, deserve to die, or are newbs to mmos, and thus deserve to die anyways.

Ultima Online 2 could easily be superior to all the other mmos, if Garriott goes back to his roots and thus the roots of all MMO´ing, and joins up with an appropriate company to provide him with the money and manpower to realise it (the joint venture of lucas arts and bioware is already busy with kotor online, so he had to search for an alternative, but im sure most mmo companies would hire this man instantly )

After he is doine trying to sue NCsoft he might consider it, who knows ?

 Garriot made UO and thats where his mmo dynasty ended.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Ultima Online 1997
Ultima Online: The Second Age 1998
Lineage 1998
Ultima IX: Ascension 1999
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle 2003
City of Heroes 2004
City of Villains 2005 t
Tabula Rasa 2007

These are just the MMO's he's been part of.

 

Richard Garriott is the Godfather of all mmos, and those who disrespect  this man, deserve to die, or are newbs to mmos, and thus deserve to die anyways.

Ultima Online 2 could easily be superior to all the other mmos, if Garriott goes back to his roots and thus the roots of all MMO´ing, and joins up with an appropriate company to provide him with the money and manpower to realise it (the joint venture of lucas arts and bioware is already busy with kotor online, so he had to search for an alternative, but im sure most mmo companies would hire this man instantly )

alittle harsh...

or he could fail and spend all his money on space xD

Garriot started Origin Systems, Origin systems created three successful brands: Ultima, Wing Commander and System shock.

Thats why tons of old school gamers still have warm spot in their hearts for him.

Originally posted by Kainis

Haven't read much of the thread, but the title is disturbing me. Playing devil's advocate, who does the OP think he is demanding that a developer give him a new version of his old game? Does the OP really feel that entitled? Is this what developers can expect from communities now? Me, Me, Me?

 

/end_soapbox rant

Easy there man. It was kind of a joke the thread title. I guess it's just hard to tell when someone is joking over the internet sometimes.

Honestly, when I used to play Tabula, and he announced his retirement from producing to persue his lifelong dream of being an astronaut, I felt a bit abandoned and betrayed.  I had hope for Tabula, as I'm sure a lot of other Garriot fans did, but now I can't get myself to trust in him.

What if he decides to produce UO2, if only to abandon that as well for some other flight of fancy?

I want to believe in him but I just don't have it in me anymore.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by _Seeker

Originally posted by Dameonk

The sheer amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
 

 

This thread has a point?

 

It's the Garriot thread for now. He was the mind behind of the most influential and incredible MMORPG ever made. I think discussing him to some extent isn't entirely pointless to an MMORPG player.

 

Ultima Online wasn't the most influential mmorpg ever made.

Ultima Online was not the first mmorpg, and I'd argue that Everquest has been copied a lot more often than UO.

*one* was suppose to be in there. As you can see I wrote ''of the most'' ''one of the most'' was suppose to be there, a bit of a typo.

Does not really matter if these big shot companies don't copy it. For mmorpg players back then, UO meant a lot to them. And it was a very special game for It's time.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Ultima Online 1997
Ultima Online: The Second Age 1998
Lineage 1998
Ultima IX: Ascension 1999
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle 2003
City of Heroes 2004
City of Villains 2005 t
Tabula Rasa 2007

These are just the MMO's he's been part of.

 

Richard Garriott is the Godfather of all mmos, and those who disrespect  this man, deserve to die, or are newbs to mmos, and thus deserve to die anyways.

Ultima Online 2 could easily be superior to all the other mmos, if Garriott goes back to his roots and thus the roots of all MMO´ing, and joins up with an appropriate company to provide him with the money and manpower to realise it (the joint venture of lucas arts and bioware is already busy with kotor online, so he had to search for an alternative, but im sure most mmo companies would hire this man instantly )

As mentioned in an earlier post, RG doesn't own the rights to anything Ultima anymore, that would be EA.  And another thing, many view the original NWN as the godfather to MMO's.
 

Ultima Online 2 was already tried by EA back in 2000 and it died on the vine.

EA stated competitive conflicts between UO2 and the original UO as the reason for the cancellation which simply means they didn't want to possibly disrupt the original UO cash cow for something new. UO2 was to be completely in 3d much like Ultima IX Ascension from which it borrowed artistic assets in early builds.

Garriott owns the Lord British trademark but nothing else from the Ultima series.

So a Ultima Online 2 will only happen if EA makes it happen (again). I wouldn't hold my breath.

Her is a blast from the past...

Ultima Online 2 Preview

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Ultima Online 1997
Ultima Online: The Second Age 1998
Lineage 1998
Ultima IX: Ascension 1999
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle 2003
City of Heroes 2004
City of Villains 2005 t
Tabula Rasa 2007

These are just the MMO's he's been part of.

 

Richard Garriott is the Godfather of all mmos, and those who disrespect  this man, deserve to die, or are newbs to mmos, and thus deserve to die anyways.

Ultima Online 2 could easily be superior to all the other mmos, if Garriott goes back to his roots and thus the roots of all MMO´ing, and joins up with an appropriate company to provide him with the money and manpower to realise it (the joint venture of lucas arts and bioware is already busy with kotor online, so he had to search for an alternative, but im sure most mmo companies would hire this man instantly )

How is Richard Garriott the "godfather" of all MMO's?
The guy made ONE decent mmorpg and one mmorpg that didn't even live for a year.

Also the roots of Garriot are not the roots of MMO'ing. If you think Ultima Online was the first mmorpg, you need to brush up on your basics.
 

Originally posted by Arthineas 

No offense but WTF are you talking about.  This is the second time that you have attributed Ultima X with Garriot.  He had nothing to do with Ultima X.  He was long gone from EA by then.

My mistake.  I got my roman numerals mixed up.  I meant Ultima IX

Richard Garriot was a one trick pony.  Waiting for another winner from him is going to be a very long wait.

I thought Garriot sold the rights to Ultima and had a less than cordial departure with the new owners of said intellectual property.

But even with the rather abysmal Tabula Rasa, I would like to see Garriot have another go at the genre. Because man if UO wasn't the Jessica Alba of games at the time.

Originally posted by sacdeep

I thought Garriot sold the rights to Ultima and had a less than cordial departure with the new owners of said intellectual property.

But even with the rather abysmal Tabula Rasa, I would like to see Garriot have another go at the genre. Because man if UO wasn't the Jessica Alba of games at the time.

"...games at the time" - Now I love UO but there was no other MMO at the time, and when EQ came, it outsold and out performed UO big time. I remember seeing EQ in the guiness book of world records back in the day for most users or something, made me sad because I thought UO was better.

In any case, RG had 100mil to make a game, he failed horribly, he deserves no more chances. And he won't get one either, no one is going to touch this guy. Lost a company millions, retired as the game is fresh on the market, then is suing the company for 20mil. Heck, even Aventurine wouldn't touch this guy.

Notice I didn't say "MMO of the time" - UO was indeed the progenitor, and reflecting upon gaming as a whole and not just the genre it birthed, I think it was fantastic.

As far as Garriot the business man and developer is concerned - I'm willing to bet he still has another winner in him. He did do really well up until Tabula Rasa, over the course of many years, after all. The next publisher that decides to deal with him should, in my opinion, just be sure to reel him in from the get go so that he can't get out of hand - as it were. Because his profile of character since UO (including his departure from the game) hasn't been that of an esteemed gentleman. But that doesn't mean he still can't develop a good game in the right environment.

The magic that happened in Ultimas and Wing Commanders etc was because Garriot had some of the greatest developers all time working for him who had the skills and talents to take his visions and turn them in to games.

I agree, UO2 without people like Designer Dragon ( Ralph Koster) would never succeed.

<-- Remember when UO introduced hair dyes and you could dye them with neon colors like these guys? That was just one of the magical and wonderful things about UO as it growed over the years. While it was somewhat artificial and synthetic, I really enjoyed those vibrant and unique hair colors that people ran around with once it was introduced.