Well, I've played the free trial for about 24 hours now, and so far I'm loving it.  The graphics are beautiful and the UI is slick and easy to use.  I can't pick a single aspect of the game that I enjoy the most.  All of the pieces put together just feels right.  From the player driven economy to the ship modifications.   Anyway, the game is great and anyone who is on the fence about getting it should buy it now.  I will add more details as I play more of the trial.

To get a jump start on the all aspects of Eve, you could do a lot worse than joining Eve University, they teach new players about as many aspects of eve as the players are interested in and they can do.

If you don't fancy joining the corp you can ask questions in channel Eve University, it's a lot better than the newbie hell rookie channels.

Originally posted by Codenak

To get a jump start on the all aspects of Eve, you could do a lot worse than joining Eve University, they teach new players about as many aspects of eve as the players are interested in and they can do.

If you don't fancy joining the corp you can ask questions in channel Eve University, it's a lot better than the newbie hell rookie channels.

Joining the Eve Uni will give you help you a lot with the learning curve it sounds as if you have already learned a lot tho.

I just started a trial, is my second (first lasted barely a week I just couldn't get in to it).  So far, this go around is much better in part to better tutorials to help you find your way along and get the feet wet.  Overall though, as I come in to 4th night playing, I sense it wearing thin not because it isn't a good game but because it is just lacking critical elements that a complex MMO needs.

First, I am not a fan of the auto attack all the time style but I know that as you get involved in more complex situations that tactics play a bigger role so I won't count that as a negative.  But what does get me is the total absence of basic MMO elements that a complex game like EVE should have in abundance.  Most annoying, and hardest to understand why it is missing, is the lack of even basic camera controls beyond pivoting the camera around the ship and turning the camera to look around.  There is no lock in chase or fixed chase option so as your ship navigates through 3D space your camera stays fixed and you go form staring at its ass end as you head forward to staring at its underside from ahead or the top from the side or whatever and it is constantly changing and shifting especially in combat so it is just terrible.  The only viable choice is to zoom out to make your ship a dot and even then you got a constantly rotating perspective of a disembodied camera moving through space.  It ruins the game totally and is such a basic element that I would not buy the game just because it is missing.

Also lacking, and very basic, is the ability to rebind commands to your choice of keys.  Yes, you can rebind shortcuts but the restrictions are so mind numbingly plentiful that for the most part you mind as well not bother unless you want all but 12 command to be two and three key combos.  It will not let you bind any letter or number keys or punctuation keys to commands without variances of two and three key combos (such as ctrl+shift+key).  AS if that wasn't retarded enough they don't let you bind keypad keys as separate from number keys so extra mice buttons and all sorts of other extra keys you would want to use for a single key command.

I think the game is probably good in a more laid back tactical way and open style that is refreshing but the above two issues are so annoying I doubt I will finish the trial.  It just isn't up to snuff with modern games, certainly not with modern pay to play games.
 

Originally posted by AgtSmith

I just started a trial, is my second (first lasted barely a week I just couldn't get in to it).  So far, this go around is much better in part to better tutorials to help you find your way along and get the feet wet.  Overall though, as I come in to 4th night playing, I sense it wearing thin not because it isn't a good game but because it is just lacking critical elements that a complex MMO needs.

First, I am not a fan of the auto attack all the time style but I know that as you get involved in more complex situations that tactics play a bigger role so I won't count that as a negative.  But what does get me is the total absence of basic MMO elements that a complex game like EVE should have in abundance.  Most annoying, and hardest to understand why it is missing, is the lack of even basic camera controls beyond pivoting the camera around the ship and turning the camera to look around.  There is no lock in chase or fixed chase option so as your ship navigates through 3D space your camera stays fixed and you go form staring at its ass end as you head forward to staring at its underside from ahead or the top from the side or whatever and it is constantly changing and shifting especially in combat so it is just terrible.  The only viable choice is to zoom out to make your ship a dot and even then you got a constantly rotating perspective of a disembodied camera moving through space.  It ruins the game totally and is such a basic element that I would not buy the game just because it is missing.

Also lacking, and very basic, is the ability to rebind commands to your choice of keys.  Yes, you can rebind shortcuts but the restrictions are so mind numbingly plentiful that for the most part you mind as well not bother unless you want all but 12 command to be two and three key combos.  It will not let you bind any letter or number keys or punctuation keys to commands without variances of two and three key combos (such as ctrl+shift+key).  AS if that wasn't retarded enough they don't let you bind keypad keys as separate from number keys so extra mice buttons and all sorts of other extra keys you would want to use for a single key command.

I think the game is probably good in a more laid back tactical way and open style that is refreshing but the above two issues are so annoying I doubt I will finish the trial.  It just isn't up to snuff with modern games, certainly not with modern pay to play games.
 

I have never had a problem with the camera at all. I would find a locked position rather annoying to be honest, I always set my camera to free float and control it myself all the time in other games. In Eve you will be rotating and zooming in and out alot moer later. This goes along with the more advanced combat system. Also play with the advanced camera settings in the game options, I have never really played with them much myself but there might be something there for you.
 

I will agree with the lack of key binding options, there definitely coule be more work done there. But in all honesty it's not a big deal, there's enough binding options there since most of the game is controlled by the mouse anyways.

You are saying because you don't like the cameraand key bindings this makes Eve sub par to other MMOS and that Eve is not modern ? One is a personal preference thing and the other is rather mild to be making such bold statements. I guess Eves player driven economy which is unmatched by any other MMO makes it primitive ?

I know it sounds harsh, and perhaps superficial, but it is one of those things that just keep me from getting in to the game.  I m trying to put it aside because I like a lot about the game but it is just terribly frustrating.  The camera thing in particular is visually annoying although something I could get past I think, but the lack of ability to bind keys as I see fit and to bind keys to most any game command is a serious buzzkill.  But it is more than just those things, the UI in general kind of sucks or at least is unspectacular.  By example, the overview window (where objects and ships and stuff around you are listed), you have options for filtering what shows and what does not but there is no ability to set a sorting so that enemies show on top - couple that with the fact that you cannot set it to auto expand so that it grows shrinks with the number of things to list  and you got a key element that doesn't have functionality that is necessary.  I am going to keep at it but with little, but ultimately important, shortfalls like this it is hard to really get in to the game as you are often fighting the limitations.

And yes, modern is the word I would use.  Back in the day MMOs had rough interfaces and not too much customization but I think one of the real improvements over the years has been in the array of options players have to mold the interface to suit their preference and playstyle, it is an essential ingredient of a game genre where you have so much depth and complexity and EVE is really hurt by its dated interfaces, IMHO.  It is one ting to not have these options in a game these days but for a game of this maturity it seems really off, it isn't like they haven't had time to do these things.

I can fully understand being put off by shitty controls in a game (age of conan) but honestly I think you are nitpicking a little here. You are right about a couple things but I think you are over reacting. Eves camera to me behaves just like any camera in any mmo, rotate around, zoom in and out and the camera stays where you left it, always been the way in other mmos so why is Eves less modern ?

Like I said above I think you are just nitpicking when you complain about hings like no sort  by enemies on top  and auto resizing overview window. Make different tabs and overview settings.

The only things Eves interface does not do is allow mods like other games and that's the only thing I can think of that you are really talking about here. Mods will never be in Eve and that's a core design philosophy and one that should be respected. Everyone gets the same tools and no one HAS to have a mod just to be competitive and in a game like Eve competitive edges due to mods is a very bad thing. At most allow some skinning of the interface but nothing more. I would hardly call Eves interface out dated. An interface like any of the many generic hotbar mmos out there simply would not have enough funtionality to work in Eve. All those 3rd person hotbar based mmos need all those hotkeys to deal with the fast paced combat but Eve doesn't need as much. You can set quite a few hotkeys, but not all of them I know. Very rarely have I ever wished I had something hotkeyed that I couldn't, and never was it something that made me curse the interface for being primitive.

In the end though CCP is working on the UI all the time and from what I read they are bringing in a new camera system with Ambulation so maybe that will fix whatever it is that you don't like. Just don't expect to ever see WoW type mods allowed. And just before you start defending mods and saying they should be allowed I will say this. When I played WoW I was a mod junkie, I loved customizing my interface but I would not ever support such a thing for Eve. It's a topic that has been discussed before and it comes down to what I said above about needing to have a mod to be competitive so it's best left out. Would I like to see atleast skinning of the interface ? Yes but it's not something that I really care about.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

I can fully understand being put off by shitty controls in a game (age of conan) but honestly I think you are nitpicking a little here. You are right about a couple things but I think you are over reacting. Eves camera to me behaves just like any camera in any mmo, rotate around, zoom in and out and the camera stays where you left it, always been the way in other mmos so why is Eves less modern ?

I think the UI (which includes the camera, keybinds, and various other options for adjusting the interface to suit a users preference) is very antiquated.  It isn't the worst thing ever but in comparison to about any MMO I have seen in the last few years it is the worst.  The issue is only exacerbated by the stark contrast between the interface functionality and customization and the game's complexity, a rich game like EVE needs a much better interface.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

 

Like I said above I think you are just nitpicking when you complain about hings like no sort  by enemies on top  and auto resizing overview window. Make different tabs and overview settings.

As I said above, the overview has some adjustment but not nearly as much as one would want.  No ability to set a custom sort so certain types of targets/objects appear on the top or bottom of the list, not means to set the window to auto size as the list grows or shrinks. 

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

The only things Eves interface does not do is allow mods like other games and that's the only thing I can think of that you are really talking about here. Mods will never be in Eve and that's a core design philosophy and one that should be respected. Everyone gets the same tools and no one HAS to have a mod just to be competitive and in a game like Eve competitive edges due to mods is a very bad thing. At most allow some skinning of the interface but nothing more. I would hardly call Eves interface out dated. An interface like any of the many generic hotbar mmos out there simply would not have enough funtionality to work in Eve. All those 3rd person hotbar based mmos need all those hotkeys to deal with the fast paced combat but Eve doesn't need as much. You can set quite a few hotkeys, but not all of them I know. Very rarely have I ever wished I had something hotkeyed that I couldn't, and never was it something that made me curse the interface for being primitive.

In the end though CCP is working on the UI all the time and from what I read they are bringing in a new camera system with Ambulation so maybe that will fix whatever it is that you don't like. Just don't expect to ever see WoW type mods allowed. And just before you start defending mods and saying they should be allowed I will say this. When I played WoW I was a mod junkie, I loved customizing my interface but I would not ever support such a thing for Eve. It's a topic that has been discussed before and it comes down to what I said above about needing to have a mod to be competitive so it's best left out. Would I like to see atleast skinning of the interface ? Yes but it's not something that I really care about.

I don't lament not being able to MOD/skin and I understand why MMOs are hesitant to allow MODs in particular.  However, that being said, if you are going to prevent the community from adding to the interface things that the community desires you had better work hard to do it yourself and on this score CCP has failed miserably.  Again, I am hard on this issue precisely because of the complexity and depth of the game which really does call for a great interface.  After all, in EVE you are flying/playing the interface and not the ship as nothing is twitch based so the interface is everything in terms of getting a player in to the action and giving that feel of being in control of a ship and not just sitting back issuing commands to a remote and detached entity.

It all comes down to this, if the UI gets in the way of the game it is a problem, especially in a game like EVE where you are only ever really issuing orders for your ship to follow because the interface is the means to tie you to your ship and immerse you in the game.  Modern UIs are an extension of the character and gameplay, EVE's UI is an overlay that separates the player from the ship and gameplay.  Don't get me wrong, EVE is clearly a good game with a a unique depth - I just think that the interface keeps the game from really drawing you in to the gameplay and for a player less interested in the administrative and industrial simulation side of the game this can be a big drawback.

whats hard with

Hislot  F1 to F8

Midslot  Alt+F1 to Alt+F8

Lowslot  Ctrl+F1 to Ctrl+F8

The overview is configurable, both in the order and type of items that are displayed, and in the amount of info columns available.

you can also have multiple config options saved as seperate defaults, once saved they can be loaded anytime.

To summarise with an analogy, your complaints are similar to modern art critic informing the Louvre that they need to bin the Mona Lisa as her smile is crooked and improperly formed.

Preference is hardly so objective, I am sure we can all agree that what one person sees as a crappy interface another might see as a great one.  That said, I still think the interface and camera for EVE is very lacking but in working more with it I do find it adequate in a utilitarian way.  Clearly it is designed for a certain 'way, the trick is learning that way.  Ultimately, that is what I think the flaw with the interface is, a good interface (preferences aside) can mold to the player while a poor one requires the player to mold to it.

All in all though I am finding my way through and enjoying the game, I think the interface/camera issue is not game breaking it is just something that slows your entry in to the game and makes it rougher than needs be.

agt smith I've never heard anyone gripe about EVE's camera and keybinds. This isn't WoW the gameplay is strategic- not jumpy/twitch. I think you are used to WoW behind-the-character 3rd person camera.

Now, I could see if you were think freelancer style though. But I dont think you're talking bout a freelancer chase cam but that wouldnt fit EVE anyway

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

I can fully understand being put off by shitty controls in a game (age of conan) but honestly I think you are nitpicking a little here. You are right about a couple things but I think you are over reacting. Eves camera to me behaves just like any camera in any mmo, rotate around, zoom in and out and the camera stays where you left it, always been the way in other mmos so why is Eves less modern ?

 

I think the UI (which includes the camera, keybinds, and various other options for adjusting the interface to suit a users preference) is very antiquated.  It isn't the worst thing ever but in comparison to about any MMO I have seen in the last few years it is the worst.  The issue is only exacerbated by the stark contrast between the interface functionality and customization and the game's complexity, a rich game like EVE needs a much better interface.

 

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

 

Like I said above I think you are just nitpicking when you complain about hings like no sort  by enemies on top  and auto resizing overview window. Make different tabs and overview settings.

 

As I said above, the overview has some adjustment but not nearly as much as one would want.  No ability to set a custom sort so certain types of targets/objects appear on the top or bottom of the list, not means to set the window to auto size as the list grows or shrinks. 

 

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

The only things Eves interface does not do is allow mods like other games and that's the only thing I can think of that you are really talking about here. Mods will never be in Eve and that's a core design philosophy and one that should be respected. Everyone gets the same tools and no one HAS to have a mod just to be competitive and in a game like Eve competitive edges due to mods is a very bad thing. At most allow some skinning of the interface but nothing more. I would hardly call Eves interface out dated. An interface like any of the many generic hotbar mmos out there simply would not have enough funtionality to work in Eve. All those 3rd person hotbar based mmos need all those hotkeys to deal with the fast paced combat but Eve doesn't need as much. You can set quite a few hotkeys, but not all of them I know. Very rarely have I ever wished I had something hotkeyed that I couldn't, and never was it something that made me curse the interface for being primitive.

In the end though CCP is working on the UI all the time and from what I read they are bringing in a new camera system with Ambulation so maybe that will fix whatever it is that you don't like. Just don't expect to ever see WoW type mods allowed. And just before you start defending mods and saying they should be allowed I will say this. When I played WoW I was a mod junkie, I loved customizing my interface but I would not ever support such a thing for Eve. It's a topic that has been discussed before and it comes down to what I said above about needing to have a mod to be competitive so it's best left out. Would I like to see atleast skinning of the interface ? Yes but it's not something that I really care about.

 

I don't lament not being able to MOD/skin and I understand why MMOs are hesitant to allow MODs in particular.  However, that being said, if you are going to prevent the community from adding to the interface things that the community desires you had better work hard to do it yourself and on this score CCP has failed miserably.  Again, I am hard on this issue precisely because of the complexity and depth of the game which really does call for a great interface.  After all, in EVE you are flying/playing the interface and not the ship as nothing is twitch based so the interface is everything in terms of getting a player in to the action and giving that feel of being in control of a ship and not just sitting back issuing commands to a remote and detached entity.

 

It all comes down to this, if the UI gets in the way of the game it is a problem, especially in a game like EVE where you are only ever really issuing orders for your ship to follow because the interface is the means to tie you to your ship and immerse you in the game.  Modern UIs are an extension of the character and gameplay, EVE's UI is an overlay that separates the player from the ship and gameplay.  Don't get me wrong, EVE is clearly a good game with a a unique depth - I just think that the interface keeps the game from really drawing you in to the gameplay and for a player less interested in the administrative and industrial simulation side of the game this can be a big drawback.

 

 

 

  Funny, today I was thinking how amazingly Eve UI streamlines what could easily become information overload. You keep saying the UI is antiquated, "when compared to other MMO's" ...I'm curious to know your comparisons. Mind giving an example of these other games?

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Originally posted by AgtSmith
I just started a trial, is my second (first lasted barely a week I just couldn't get in to it).  So far, this go around is much better in part to better tutorials to help you find your way along and get the feet wet.  Overall though, as I come in to 4th night playing, I sense it wearing thin not because it isn't a good game but because it is just lacking critical elements that a complex MMO needs.

First, I am not a fan of the auto attack all the time style but I know that as you get involved in more complex situations that tactics play a bigger role so I won't count that as a negative.  But what does get me is the total absence of basic MMO elements that a complex game like EVE should have in abundance.  Most annoying, and hardest to understand why it is missing, is the lack of even basic camera controls beyond pivoting the camera around the ship and turning the camera to look around.  There is no lock in chase or fixed chase option so as your ship navigates through 3D space your camera stays fixed and you go form staring at its ass end as you head forward to staring at its underside from ahead or the top from the side or whatever and it is constantly changing and shifting especially in combat so it is just terrible.  The only viable choice is to zoom out to make your ship a dot and even then you got a constantly rotating perspective of a disembodied camera moving through space.  It ruins the game totally and is such a basic element that I would not buy the game just because it is missing.

Also lacking, and very basic, is the ability to rebind commands to your choice of keys.  Yes, you can rebind shortcuts but the restrictions are so mind numbingly plentiful that for the most part you mind as well not bother unless you want all but 12 command to be two and three key combos.  It will not let you bind any letter or number keys or punctuation keys to commands without variances of two and three key combos (such as ctrl+shift+key).  AS if that wasn't retarded enough they don't let you bind keypad keys as separate from number keys so extra mice buttons and all sorts of other extra keys you would want to use for a single key command.

I think the game is probably good in a more laid back tactical way and open style that is refreshing but the above two issues are so annoying I doubt I will finish the trial.  It just isn't up to snuff with modern games, certainly not with modern pay to play games.
 

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2) UI MODs are restricted due EVE server-client architecture. In other games, large part of the game is processed client side therefore it allows you UI modifications as well as hacs. EVE client behaves far more like a true client.

3) There is no need for other camera control. Camera is there to give you visual tactical overview and it fills the role perfectly. The functions you desire are useless for gameplay.
If you need more camera control - especially for recording - press ESC and turn Advanced camera controls on. Also try to press both mouse buttons.

The real questions is: Does UI need functions that would improve the gameplay or am I looking for functions that I am used to from other games?

Originally posted by PatchDay

agt smith I've never heard anyone gripe about EVE's camera and keybinds. This isn't WoW the gameplay is strategic- not jumpy/twitch. I think you are used to WoW behind-the-character 3rd person camera.

Now, I could see if you were think freelancer style though. But I dont think you're talking bout a freelancer chase cam but that wouldnt fit EVE anyway

Couldnt help but LMFAO at this comment not only because the first thing you could think of was to automatically throw WoW in there but the straight up fact is AgtSmith has never played WoW and has no interest in ever playing it.

You gotta love the Eve community.  They will spin on you for attacking anything about the game, even something as simple and basic as the ability to remap commands.  Want the camera to zoom in when you scroll in and out when you scroll out like every other game on the planet?  Go back to WoW you stupid noob.  Everyone knows Eve isn't trying to be "accessible" or "fun". ;)

I love how the guys says he has never seen anyone complain about the camera or controlls... he must not look at noob help chat, because the subject comes up there about every 40 seconds.

Still carrying a torch for eve Salvatoris?

Have to admit I admire your perserverence.

Where does this emotional investment come from? One can only imagine...

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
I love how the guys says he has never seen anyone complain about the camera or controlls... he must not look at noob help chat, because the subject comes up there about every 40 seconds.

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And that's pretty it - they are newbs.
As we all keep telling you, EVE get steep learning curve and you need time to learn how the game works because the only reason it's missing the features you are used to from other games, is the fact that it's very different game.

Steep learning curve, no documentation,  piss-poor tutorial... How much needs to be stacked against them before it's OK for new players to answer a simple question about the controls without being told to go back to WoW because they aren't smart enough to play Eve?

You know, just because you like the game doesn't mean you have to blindly defend every single thing about it.  You won't lose your fanbot membership for admitting that the controls could stand a little more customization.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Still carrying a torch for eve Salvatoris?

Have to admit I admire your perserverence.

Where does this emotional investment come from? One can only imagine...

I don't know why, but I get fired up when I see people acting like arrogant, egotistical ass-hats.  Especially when their alleged superiority is based solely on which video game they prefer.  If you aren't one of the people calling everyone with a complaint of suggestion an idiot and telling them to go back to WoW... then my posts aren't directed at you.

Look at this thread.  Even on the subject of being able to remap more of the controls, the fanboys are so entrenched that they feel like they need to attack the guy.  Eve fanboys are like a parody of themselves sometimes.

BTW, I post in the forums for all the games here that I have played, or look forward to playing, when i see a post that gets my attention.  Thanks for asking though...

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Steep learning curve, no documentation,  piss-poor tutorial... How much needs to be stacked against them before it's OK for new players to answer a simple question about the controls without being told to go back to WoW because they aren't smart enough to play Eve?

You know, just because you like the game doesn't mean you have to blindly defend every single thing about it.  You won't lose your fanbot membership for admitting that the controls could stand a little more customization.

I was guilty of making the same complaints my first couple of trials. I came in the game, I looked for the W A D S movement, I found double click instead, and was disappointed. Then I wanted to find my farm of level 1 pirates and shoot them but it wasnt there and I was disappointed ..etc.  For multiple attempts this was the case so I gave up, figured it wasnt for me and moved on. Then, sometime much later, I read a small peice on a small news site about this super corps demise in Eve. I could not beleive that an event in an obscure game was significant enough to warrant even this small space of print. I was instantly curious .... who was playing Eve, what kind of person were they,  what are they doing to make such waves and why is it gaining so much respect?  So I did the trial for the upteenth time, but this round I committed to climbing the learning curve and see what the buzz was all about. 

Guess what ..now I'm finally cresting the curve a good many things the fanbois ramble on about are starting to make sense to me.  The UI makes does a great job of putting a library of information where it needs to be, the camera is just fine, I cant imagine a complaint there, and the immersion is in the world not the cockpit so Im happy, personally. The tutorial taught me everything I needed to know to interface the game, theres a decent help system and if that fails theres this thing called Google, maybe you've heard of it?  Of all the complaints that people can make you guys are choosing things you're not qualified to comment on ... yet.  Complaining about the UI in general before you know the game is like a passenger bithcing about the airplanes dashboard to the pilot. Maybe he should learn what it takes to fly a plain before he comments.

Is it perfect?..nah most things always have room for improvement .. but it works extremely well from my humble perspective and I don't think this discussion does it proper justice.

I think the main reason people think it's a bad complaint is that they don't udnerstand why this guy wants a behind-the-ship camera.  It serves NO PURPOSE.. AT ALL.  A camera locked behind the ship isn't going to do a single thing except hinder your ability to play the game with efficiency.  The reason you can look around with it constantly is to see where people are.  Check locations, distances, etc.. because you are hardly ever -facing- your opponent.  You're circling, and your ship is always pointed in a different direction.  That's why the complaint is ridiculous.  A locked, behind-the-ship camera, serves NO purpose except to hinder your gameplay.

Originally posted by Sheista

I think the main reason people think it's a bad complaint is that they don't udnerstand why this guy wants a behind-the-ship camera.  It serves NO PURPOSE.. AT ALL.  A camera locked behind the ship isn't going to do a single thing except hinder your ability to play the game with efficiency.  The reason you can look around with it constantly is to see where people are.  Check locations, distances, etc.. because you are hardly ever -facing- your opponent.  You're circling, and your ship is always pointed in a different direction.  That's why the complaint is ridiculous.  A locked, behind-the-ship camera, serves NO purpose except to hinder your gameplay.

If you're ever under a POS shield moving ships it becomes clear that EVE does in fact have this perspective. It's just that is very rarely used because there is no point to it.

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
You know, just because you like the game doesn't mean you have to blindly defend every single thing about it.  You won't lose your fanbot membership for admitting that the controls could stand a little more customization.

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Use your own remedy:

You know, just because you know nothing about the game doesn't mean you have to blindly bashing on it. You won't lose your noobbot memberhips for admiting you have lots of to learn about the game.

EVE has got one, not to say best, tutorials out there as well as official detailed guide, the rookie channel is always there to answer you every question you have.
There are many helpfull hands out there, getting a grip of one is your task, no one else can help you with that and you proved many times you do not want to make any effort of your own.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 

BTW, I post in the forums for all the games here that I have played, or look forward to playing, when i see a post that gets my attention.  Thanks for asking though...

This may be true, but coming to the eve forums just to argue with people that like the game seems to be a mini-profession for you.

You even have a link to an eve bashing review in your sig.  It makes it look to the rest of us like hating eve is a pretty important part of your forum personality here. I can't get this image out of muy head: it's like you got dumped by a girl named Kathy and you walk around all day in a T shirt with "Kathy is a lying whore!" printed on the front.

Please try to understand the perspective of the eve players- there is nothing like this game out there, many of us LOVE the game warts and all, and we live in constant fear that it is going to be NERFED into the mainstream, leaving us with nothing.  So when people come in making suggestions that would kill much of what makes eve unique, we are defensive.

Imagine you love good, hot indian curry.  There is only one restaurant left on the planet that has the guts to serve it super spicy.

Then every day people come in saying "this food is TOO SPICY! I DEMAND you quit serving this food that is too hot for me to enjoy and start serving cheeseburgers!"

You would be pissed because instead of going to a restaurant next door that is more to their liking, these people are trying, essentially, to kill the one place you have left that suits your tastes.

We REALLY DON"T judge those of you that don't like the game, but please try to understand why we react the way we do when you come here attacking something that you don't like and don't understand.  There are plenty of other games out there!

Originally posted by Salvatoris

I don't know why, but I get fired up when I see people acting like arrogant, egotistical ass-hats.

BTW, I post in the forums for all the games here that I have played, or look forward to playing, when i see a post that gets my attention.  Thanks for asking though...

you should look in a mirror then mr troll. you'd get pretty angry.

i dont think "i troll other forums too..." is a valid excuse for your continued existance.