Originally posted by andrelle

Originally posted by TheHavok

I dont see why anybody would want to work with Gariot at this point.  Tabula Rasa taught the mmo community that his popularity no longer attracts the masses.  I would think that Gariot is now blacklisted due to the way he is bringing a lawsuit against NCsoft, his former employer.

 

I agree with this as well.  Quite frankly, he made his mark and his money. And now he's old news.  But it didn't have to be this way.  I read where him and his girlfriend worked extensively on Logos.  To me, this could have been a revolutionary step in gaming.   Similar to how Klingon was developed into a complex language, Logos could have been developed into the same over time, possibly gaining a strong fan base, having stories written about it, or including it.  To me, this should have been a writer's dream, and it could have revitalized Garriott's fame and fanbase, if that's what he was after.

All of us who grew up with Ultima will remember him for the richness of what he created. Unfortunately, those who only knew him from TR won't give his legacy or his potential a second thought.

I honestly don't think the guy really cares anymore, anyway.

He's going to find another planet for us to live on and develop our brains better. Then, he'll pay Sega to make a mmorpg Dream Super Console and we will all live happily ever after.

      While I liked the Ultima series I wasnt a huge fan of UO.......With todays graphics though UO could be alot better than it was......To me one of the major downfalls of UO was its rule set and its terrible graphics.....

Originally posted by TheHavok

I dont see why anybody would want to work with Gariot at this point.  Tabula Rasa taught the mmo community that his popularity no longer attracts the masses.  I would think that Gariot is now blacklisted due to the way he is bringing a lawsuit against NCsoft, his former employer.

To be fair, his lawsuit against NCSoft is over the terms of his leaving. According to the complaint he filed in court, he was given stock options in NCSoft as part of their purchase of his company, Destination Games. The contract they had stated that if he got fired, his stock options would remain in effect until 2011. If he left on his own, however, they'd immediately terminate on the date of his resignation.

The dispute is over the letter he supposedly wrote last November saying he was leaving NCSoft to puruse other interests in the aftermath of his space flight. Garriott says he never wrote that letter, and that NCSoft did. He's accusing them of firing him, but making it look like he resigned, so they wouldn't have to allow him to keep his stock options. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea. The courts are going to have to decide that.

All of that said, he's a smart guy, but he's past his time in gaming, just like Brad McQuaid before him. If there are any new ideas to come in MMO's, they won't be from either of those two guys. It will be someone else who comes up with the next big paradigm shift in MMO's.

eh what?

Ultima Online = owned by EA, not Garriot.

Garriot = Not EA employee

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by TheHavok

I dont see why anybody would want to work with Gariot at this point.  Tabula Rasa taught the mmo community that his popularity no longer attracts the masses.  I would think that Gariot is now blacklisted due to the way he is bringing a lawsuit against NCsoft, his former employer.

To be fair, his lawsuit against NCSoft is over the terms of his leaving. According to the complaint he filed in court, he was given stock options in NCSoft as part of their purchase of his company, Destination Games. The contract they had stated that if he got fired, his stock options would remain in effect until 2011. If he left on his own, however, they'd immediately terminate on the date of his resignation.

The dispute is over the letter he supposedly wrote last November saying he was leaving NCSoft to puruse other interests in the aftermath of his space flight. Garriott says he never wrote that letter, and that NCSoft did. He's accusing them of firing him, but making it look like he resigned, so they wouldn't have to allow him to keep his stock options. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea. The courts are going to have to decide that.

All of that said, he's a smart guy, but he's past his time in gaming, just like Brad McQuaid before him. If there are any new ideas to come in MMO's, they won't be from either of those two guys. It will be someone else who comes up with the next big paradigm shift in MMO's.

I agree with all that, PLUS Tabula Rasa lost 100 million bucks. I think that's punishment enough for NCSoft no matter what the deal was with Garriott. And Garriott can't push all the blame for that on NCSoft.

Originally posted by Dameonk

The sheer amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
 

This thread has a point?

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Guy made one supposedly good game and he thinks his king of the world...his time of fame is gone and he just cant take it.

 

Only one game? Are you forgetting all the awesome freaking Rpg games he developed?

UO and Lineage 1 and 2.

He had nothing to do with Lineage 1...

Originally posted by SgtFrog

so he didnt make L+L2?

no

ncsoft developed it and not in north america either

one hint as to where it was developed and by whom?  Its not a north american game..

L2 boasted garriots chaotic karma kill system and a lot of UO players moved to L2 because of it.   They referred to garriot in L2 as Lord British which is about the only name people seem to recognize.    Aside from that most of the development was .... not north american and it was not released in north america until it was messed with in... (not north america) .  

 http://archive.gamespy.com/interviews/december01/british/

Garriott founded Destination Games and then merged with NCsoft, whose Lineage title has become a smash hit in Korea and Japan.
 

However, the game we're working on right now, called Tabula Rasa, which is solidly a second-generation title, specifically does what you describe, where you blend together the great features of solo-player games where you feel well sheparded and you also feel very special

To be honest if you look at what happened no one really knows how much of lineage 2 was worked on by garriot.   Looking at the development of Aion and all the armour drawings you can see that it was influenced by asian anime and so was lineage 2.   Most people get the impression that he did very little work on L2 and his only claim to fame on L2 is the pvp karma/chaotic system from UO.  

 http://gamesfirst.com/index.php?id=361

GF!: Moving on, are you involved with Lineage 2 at all?
Garriott: Yes. The majority of my work, like I said, is on Tabula Rasa, but next down the importance scale is for me to spend time on Lineage, be it one or two. We're trying to make sure we create a game that is a worldwide game, not merely an Asian game. With Lineage Forever, which Jake is working on, which is really the next big change. This is episode ten that we're on now, and once they get to twelve, we're actually doing a major revamp of Lineage 1, called Lineage Forever, that we're not even showing here. That's separate from Lineage 2, which is a whole different play dynamic than the world of Lineage, whereas the revamp that we're talking about is actually a full 3D game, but still a largely top down view rendered in 3D

So yeah he walked through the office and maybe sat in a chair that is about all the work he actually seemed to do on lineage 2.   The next game he actually developed after UO was tabula rasa to be honest.    A guy with a desk in an office does not mean much in the scheme of things.  All his true efforst were on tabula rasa not L2 its all the guy ever talked about...
 

Garriot, when it all comes down to it is a big one hit wonder and not the biggest hit either.  UO got creamed by EQ and TR failed.   Sure, the single player Ultima's were good in their heyday, but it was all still one franchise.  His career is one game ...a bunch of variations of Ultima.  A pioneer, yes.  But that was it.   He obviously didn't learn anything through the years with TR.

Originally posted by _Seeker

Originally posted by Dameonk

The sheer amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
 

 

This thread has a point?

It's the Garriot thread for now. He was the mind behind of the most influential and incredible MMORPG ever made. I think discussing him to some extent isn't entirely pointless to an MMORPG player.

Originally posted by Dameonk

The sheer amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
Gennadios has the correct information listed in Post #18
Garriott had no design decisions after the intial creation of UO.  The only other MMO he developed after UO was Tabula Rasa.  He had absolutely no hand in the direction of any of the other NCSoft games.
 
 

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Originally posted by NeverLand7
Garriot needs more love and attention on these forums though. After all, the man only made one of the most genius mmorpgs ever to exist. Garriot gave birth out of the womb of his work-body to breathe life into his only begotten son, Ultima Online.

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Unfortunately he has not created a game even close to UO in the last 11 years. The only two games he created since UO (Ultima X and Tabula Rasa) were failures. I'm sorry to say, Neverland7, but your hero could not make the move from 2D to 3D game development.

No offense but WTF are you talking about.  This is the second time that you have attributed Ultima X with Garriot.  He had nothing to do with Ultima X.  He was long gone from EA by then. 

As far as Tabula goes, I think they should have stuck with the fantasy/sci-fi hybrid game that they had going.  It looked much more interesting.  The whole aliens come to Earth, kick our butts and a small group of us rises up to fight back has been done way too many times.  I do think that they dropped the ball when they switched to that story.  Too generic and limiting for a guy like Garriot. 

I have hope for a future mmorpg by Richard being that he stated it would be in a fantasy setting again.  Stick with what you are best at.

I've said it once before in the past, and I'll say it again now. I don't think RG should work on another MMORPG any time soon. In fact I think he should work on an offline CRPG, see how well that does, and maybe from there create a series of games off of that new IP and then lean toward an MMORPG... But only if that series, two or three offline games, do well.

Originally posted by Emeraq

I've said it once before in the past, and I'll say it again now. I don't think RG should work on another MMORPG any time soon. In fact I think he should work on an offline CRPG, see how well that does, and maybe from there create a series of games off of that new IP and then lean toward an MMORPG... But only if that series, two or three offline games, do well.

Tabula Rasa was butchered from poor decisions on NCsofts behalf. Garriots original envisionment of that title was nothing short of genius. But poor decisions on NCsofts behalf and pressuring him to turn into something to try to appeal to the masses was a bad choice.

I still can't figure why anyone cares about this ass.  OOOOH, Dick developed UO!!  He's a GOD! WTF?  The dude made a video game!  You know, like MANY OTHER PEOPLE out there.  Now he's pulling some halfass court action to try and get some $$ from NCSoft.  The guy is a pantywaste DB that should just fade away. 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

Guy made one supposedly good game and he thinks his king of the world...his time of fame is gone and he just cant take it.

he made a lot more than one good game, the entire ultima series did very well.

Now, he did make only ONE good mmo, but I dont think there is an individual out there thats made more than one good mmo.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by SgtFrog

 

, he did make only ONE good mmo,

That's not an easy thing to do though hehe. That in itself is a very impressive feat. In my opinion, very few developers could even claim that.

If RG want to make a new game who are we to deny him that?   If its good then "woohoo" if not..  "meh"  go back to WOW.   But don't knock the man for doing what he does best. 

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by _Seeker

Originally posted by Dameonk

The sheer amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.
 

 

This thread has a point?

 

It's the Garriot thread for now. He was the mind behind of the most influential and incredible MMORPG ever made. I think discussing him to some extent isn't entirely pointless to an MMORPG player.

Ultima Online wasn't the most influential mmorpg ever made.

Ultima Online was not the first mmorpg, and I'd argue that Everquest has been copied a lot more often than UO.

Haven't read much of the thread, but the title is disturbing me. Playing devil's advocate, who does the OP think he is demanding that a developer give him a new version of his old game? Does the OP really feel that entitled? Is this what developers can expect from communities now? Me, Me, Me?

/end_soapbox rant

Originally posted by Kainis

Haven't read much of the thread, but the title is disturbing me. Playing devil's advocate, who does the OP think he is demanding that a developer give him a new version of his old game? Does the OP really feel that entitled? Is this what developers can expect from communities now? Me, Me, Me?

 

/end_soapbox rant

I was going to say unfortunately yes, but after thinking about it, fortunately yes.... If developers don't give communities that say me, me, me what they want, then the me, me, me don't give the developers what they want.. $$$