Originally posted by Lordmonkus

You are even rediculous enough to have a link to that Ben Croshaw review which everone knows his reviews aren't even real. You basically use a clown to back you up, you do realize hes a joke right ?

Not hijacking or trolling, but Yahtzee is not a 'joke' as you put it. If people take his reviews seriously, they are the 'joke'. His "reviews" are comedic relief for the gaming industry as a whole. He explains his cynical views on what he thinks is wrong with all games in general. You can see this when he reviews a title but doesn't even really talk about that said game.

I find him extremely amusing in most of the videos.

 

There is no competition. That's pretty much it. However that should hopefully change soon.

Eve is a mediocre game and just about every other sci-fi mmo has been dragged off a cliff one way or another so eve's mediocrity reigns supreme.

Yeah he's amusing and funny but I would hardly call his reviews worth judging a game by. The man hates every game and has such a strong bias before even looking at a game he is NOT qualified to give a fair review to any game. Can you honeslty tell me that you would use Bens review as a reasonable argument why any game would suck ?  

Originally posted by crab66

 

There is no competition. That's pretty much it. However that should hopefully change soon.

 

Eve is a mediocre game and just about every other sci-fi mmo has been dragged off a cliff one way or another so eve's mediocrity reigns supreme.

 

Now this I can agree with. Except I would change sci-fi mmo to every mmo.
 

Eve may be a niche market game and sure it has its quirks but what Eve does right is show other game companies that an open ended sandbox mmo with a harsh death penalty can be sucessfull. Other devs are starting to pick up on this already and in a few more years everyone is going to have the games they want. The WoW fans will have Blizzard spoon feeding them, the korean grinder fans will have NC Soft and countless F2P mmos to take care them, and finally those of use that love everything about Eve but maybe want something other than space will have those games as well. (as long as those games don't end up sucking for other reasons)

The total and dismal failure of Tabula Rasa, the life supoprt state of AoC and the struggling to stay above water Warhammer are showing that old school mmos are not what everyone wants

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by jusomdude

IMO, I honestly couldn't tell you, the game is incredibly boring. I'm guessing at least 30% of their subs are people with multiple accounts though.

 

Eve is boring for people that find thinking boring. Eve is boring for people that need to be told what to do.  Eve is boring for people that lack imagination.

For people that love problem solving, love a challenge, and love complexity, Eve has no equal in the gaming world.

This is the reason the game always grows- once you've played Eve, every other game is fluff.  Some of it is FUN fluff, but it's fluff just the same.  I can honestly say if Eve didn't exist I'd walk away from MMOs completely.

When a game can manage to keep you engaged for 5+ years (pretty common for people that get it)  even a small infux of new players will keep the game growing.

/agree

that's why the pre NGE SWG was so big, the complexity. that's why swg is dead and Eve in growing. it's the only escape for sci-fi mmo fans who aren't 12

 I heard it was one of the greatest MMORPG's on the web right now, that's coming from all sorts of people I met while playing other mmo's.

Originally posted by Inktomi

 I heard it was one of the greatest MMORPG's on the web right now, that's coming from all sorts of people I met while playing other mmo's.

You should continue to hang around with those friends.  They show uncanny wisdom.

I think eve is very unique and very big this helps it attract more new players, I can understand why people can find eve boring it is not for everyone but I personally love it. also I guess the fact level up skills whilst not playing is great for people who do not have loads of time to play a mmo

Originally posted by boognish75

there is a new mmorpg coming out called Alganon, it appears to have all the aspects of eve but in a different setting, such as offline training, learning skills, no power leveling to speak of as everything is learned over time like eve is, an almost total player economy, where you make the goods or learn how to make goods/items by learning it, a huge vast world, as well as ten years already mapped out for the future of the game, I think this will or may bridge the gap with eve players and fantasy genre players, I for one will dump 2 of my four eve accounts to play 2 accounts of this game, Keep an eye out for alganon peeps, it my be a nice game to coincide with eve.

wtf are you smoking? It lacks anykind of PvP at launch, later they will add RvR and battlegrounds which basicly means they are making a yet another PvE game and later throw in some PvP fluff, if they get around to it. Furthermore there will be multiple servers and they will use heavy instancing.

...and then there's this:

"How does the death system work?"

"We firmly believe that the worst thing you can do is "steal" from a player's experience. For this reason, we are not adopting any "loss" mechanisms for death that would result in anything more than minor monetary and time delay adjustments."

With that you can basicly say goodbye to any sort of working economy system. So Alganon is missing almost all the core features that makes EVE intriguing.

All that said, it doesn't look bad (for a PvE game).

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Some things to learn about the Eve community... 

First, they believe lack of content equals freedom.  This is one of the most absurd leaps of reasoning I have ever heard, but people will say all sorts of silly things to justify what they already believe.

Secondly, most Eve players are Eve fanboys.  They aren't willing to admit that a single aspect of the game is less than ideal.  Everything about the game is perfect.  And if you dislike any aspect, you are a troll... a stupid troll.

They also actually believe they are more intelligent than the rest of the people on the planet.  You say, Eve is boring... they say you aren't smart enough to appreciate it.  You say you don't like real-time training, point and click movement, in-game currency sales, harsh death penalty... not smart enough.

Give me a break here.  People just like different games.  Eve isn't any more complex than any other MMO I have played.  Sure, it has a shitty tutorial, a cryptic interface and it throws tons of roadblocks at you... but none of that equals actual complexity.  Eve maintains the modest amount of success it has because it lacks competition in the genre.  Most people who play it don't care for it.  Some people do like the game and that's cool... but they just can't admit that it's all about personal preference and has nothing to do with intelligence, maturity or depth of imagination.

You really need to take the Mechwarrior Stuff outa your Sig if your cana claim Eve has no content...

If you played Eve Or Real Mechwarrior you Would understand Why we Love Eve and the "No Content"

There is Something to be said for handing players the Reigns to an Entire Freaking Universe and told to go have fun. If you want themparks theres a Biggilon of them now.

Originally posted by crab66

 

There is no competition. That's pretty much it. However that should hopefully change soon.

 

Eve is a mediocre game and just about every other sci-fi mmo has been dragged off a cliff one way or another so eve's mediocrity reigns supreme.

 

  EVE is a mediocre game  ... hahahaha ... ... seriously ,... and you make a new account ... just gb2wow ...

Man, sometimes I wish I could rise to power as a dictator. I wouldn't be a cruel one. But I would implement a policy where most people had to use opiates (straight smack or pharmaceuticals) a certain number of times a month. Seriously. Especially on MMORPGers. You guys (sometimes me included) take this shit way too seriously.

Chill out and find some opiates or benzos. And go off and play the games that make you happy.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 Eve isn't any more complex than any other MMO I have played.

His other rants and misinformation aside, this line alone is enough to tell people that he hasn't the slightest clue what he's talking about.

Originally posted by leshtricity

Man, sometimes I wish I could rise to power as a dictator. I wouldn't be a cruel one. But I would implement a policy where most people had to use opiates (straight smack or pharmaceuticals) a certain number of times a month. Seriously. Especially on MMORPGers. You guys (sometimes me included) take this shit way too seriously.

Chill out and find some opiates or benzos. And go off and play the games that make you happy.

I second that

yay, its salvatoris the "eve raped me and was too hard so i flame it and the fanbase at any oppertunity" troll and some..... utter...... retard...... who...... has...... a ....... really...... irritating....... obsession....... with.......dots.......

i love the nice juxtaposition between the title of the thread asking why eve is so successful, and all the troll responses talking about why its rubbish and failing and why the upward trend of subscriptions should be ignored as biased. in the immortal words of pretty much every eve player: can i have your stuff?

The op is fetching for a positive view,but the reality is there are no spaceship type games to draw from.There is a base populace that wants their space ship games,so it will have a following no matter how weak the game is.

IMO a MMO 3D game should be about visuals,because if you remove visuals,you are left with a MUD.Eve has almost no visuals,it is VERY close to a MUD,so i really cannot fathom anyone playing it,i know it bored the heck out of me,just because there is zero interaction.I would not call sitting my ship in front of a fake looking meteor and pew pew it mining.I would not call space travel ,actual travel when all you do is hit auto pilot and have zero interaction with your spaceship.I would not call docking in some fake 2d bay equipping my ship,it is MUD interaction all over again,you are just saying you are equipping it,but nothing visual happens,well at least nothing a first year student couldn't muster up for visuals.

Eve is a throwback to 3D game design and interaction,it is about 10+ years backwards,but there is no other space ship game that does it any better,so EVE in reality has ZERO competition.If there was say 15+ space ship games with better interaction and better content,EVE IMO would have never made it past beta.

The thing that keeps EVE going,is that a developer trying to create interaction on 100's of planets,creating content within your ship,creating more 3D visuals with lots more interaction,would be a HUGE undertaking,even for SOE or Blizzard.So EVE may never have any competition.

Originally posted by Wizardry

The op is fetching for a positive view,but the reality is there are no spaceship type games to draw from.There is a base populace that wants their space ship games,so it will have a following no matter how weak the game is.

IMO a MMO 3D game should be about visuals,because if you remove visuals,you are left with a MUD.Eve has almost no visuals,it is VERY close to a MUD,so i really cannot fathom anyone playing it,i know it bored the heck out of me,just because there is zero interaction.I would not call sitting my ship in front of a fake looking meteor and pew pew it mining.I would not call space travel ,actual travel when all you do is hit auto pilot and have zero interaction with your spaceship.I would not call docking in some fake 2d bay equipping my ship,it is MUD interaction all over again,you are just saying you are equipping it,but nothing visual happens,well at least nothing a first year student couldn't muster up for visuals.

Eve is a throwback to 3D game design and interaction,it is about 10+ years backwards,but there is no other space ship game that does it any better,so EVE in reality has ZERO competition.If there was say 15+ space ship games with better interaction and better content,EVE IMO would have never made it past beta.

The thing that keeps EVE going,is that a developer trying to create interaction on 100's of planets,creating content within your ship,creating more 3D visuals with lots more interaction,would be a HUGE undertaking,even for SOE or Blizzard.So EVE may never have any competition.

yet, you fanboi up for darkfall.

irony.  maybe hypocrisy... not sure, maybe both.

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Originally posted by Wizardry
The op is fetching for a positive view,but the reality is there are no spaceship type games to draw from.There is a base populace that wants their space ship games,so it will have a following no matter how weak the game is.
IMO a MMO 3D game should be about visuals,because if you remove visuals,you are left with a MUD.Eve has almost no visuals,it is VERY close to a MUD,so i really cannot fathom anyone playing it,i know it bored the heck out of me,just because there is zero interaction.I would not call sitting my ship in front of a fake looking meteor and pew pew it mining.I would not call space travel ,actual travel when all you do is hit auto pilot and have zero interaction with your spaceship.I would not call docking in some fake 2d bay equipping my ship,it is MUD interaction all over again,you are just saying you are equipping it,but nothing visual happens,well at least nothing a first year student couldn't muster up for visuals.
Eve is a throwback to 3D game design and interaction,it is about 10+ years backwards,but there is no other space ship game that does it any better,so EVE in reality has ZERO competition.If there was say 15+ space ship games with better interaction and better content,EVE IMO would have never made it past beta.
The thing that keeps EVE going,is that a developer trying to create interaction on 100's of planets,creating content within your ship,creating more 3D visuals with lots more interaction,would be a HUGE undertaking,even for SOE or Blizzard.So EVE may never have any competition.

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You hit the nail on the head, EVE is a MUD! I always knew there is something odd about that game!

Originally posted by Wizardry

If there was say 15+ space ship games with better interaction and better content,EVE IMO would have never made it past beta.

That's common sense and can be said of ANY product. Truth is that there are 15+ spaceship games out there but they do not come close to the interaction or content of EVE.

I never understood how anyone could say eves universe is empty.

Do we not have Station to dock in? do we not have planets to warp to? can we not set safe spots? warp to roid and Ice belts? Arent these POS? Concord? Can we not scan out Different sites and wormholes? 

Whats empty about Eve?

You complain about warping to an object? ever watch Star trek? Captain Kirk doesnt manually fly from one planet to the next.

Thats what you are in Eve. your basically a captain giving a ship orders, you set orbit, speeds, activate abilities, I dont see anything wrong with Eves game world, its movement or travel.

Originally posted by Broomy

What is it about EVE.  I have been playing it off and on for 2 years and the player base just keeps growing while other MMOs are contracting?  Is it the sandbox gameplay? Great updates?  Great CS?  I logged into some old MMOs I used to play and they are mostly ghost towns.  I log into EVE now and theres 30k+ ppl online. 

Discuss.

This is a great question and I don't know why I never asked myself this. All i know is this is the most innovative game I have ever played. Infact its the only innovative game I have ever played to be honest. All the p2p and f2p can not match up to how in depth this game goes, to the universe its in and showing you that you are but a speck inside of it. And then you become super badass and you can be a force to be reckond with. There is no carrot on the end of this stick infact, there is no stick.

Originally posted by Wizardry

The op is fetching for a positive view,but the reality is there are no spaceship type games to draw from.There is a base populace that wants their space ship games,so it will have a following no matter how weak the game is.

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Eve is a throwback to 3D game design and interaction,it is about 10+ years backwards,but there is no other space ship game that does it any better,so EVE in reality has ZERO competition.If there was say 15+ space ship games with better interaction and better content,EVE IMO would have never made it past beta.

How do you define "better interaction and better content"? 

Interaction towards what? NPCs and crap? Eve is a PvP-focused game, not PvE. Player interaction is fine, great even. Better than many other MMOs out there.

Content is fine, it's just a question about participating and being creative. If you want to do something, go do it. Don't complain that there is no content because you're not being told where to go, and what build is best.

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Originally posted by Ekibiogami

If you played Eve Or Real Mechwarrior you Would understand Why we Love Eve and the "No Content"

There is Something to be said for handing players the Reigns to an Entire Freaking Universe and told to go have fun. If you want themparks theres a Biggilon of them now.

There isn't any Mechwarrior MMO.   Comparing Eve to either the tabletop game or the Mechwarrior video games is silly.

You know, you have freedom to do whatever you want in almost every every MMO.  Other than guild wars, you choose your own path, and with ample imagination be anything you want in any MMO I have ever played.  You can play LOTRO and decide you just want to be a traveling musician, working in the local pubs for tips.  Or you could fashion yourself as an elite stronghold door guard in Warhammer Online.  Spending your days diligently watching your post for the encroaching forces from the north.  Or you could just be an explorer, searching the maps high and low for new tome unlocks.  Any number of MMOs will let you be a full-time crafter, or a military escort for weaker players, or cruel tyrant managing a large guild of spawn point campers, (you can even call yourself pirates if it makes you feel better about it). Aolmost every single thing you can do in Eve, can also be done every other MMO on the market. 

I guess what all the other MMOs would have to do to be as good as Eve or Ryzom is just delete all the quests, right?  Then you would have freedom to anything you can imagine... well, except for quests.  A lack of content, or content that is a figment of your imagination, does not make a game have more freedom.  You have those same freedoms in other games.  It's just that most people prefer to do the quests, or at least some kind of goals the game is designed to track and reward. 

So would Eve be less of a game if they decided to add meaningful, compelling story driven PvE content?  IMO, it would finally start to compare to the rest of the MMOs on the market. 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by junzo316

First, I don't think all other MMO's are on the decline.  If you have proof of this, please post, but don't make a generalized statement that you can't prove.

 

Second,  I tried the game, and it just wasn't for me.  However,  I could see how others would love this game.  The sandbox that eve creates is like no other on the market. I, for one, am happy to see the success it has garnered.  It is much deserved for creating such an open and free environment where you are free to do what you wish.

 

You actually don't have to prove it, empirical evidence suffices for this purpose.

Blizzard, CCP and NCSoft are about the only game companies out there who routinely publish their sub numbers.

Most every other company does not. Why? They are embarrased by the small size and declining player base.

If they had something to be proud of, they'd be shouting it from the rafters.

 

 

That is your opinion of what they would do, and not point of fact.  Unless you have hard numbers, don't assume to know.  To say they are "embarrassed" is another assumption.  Your post didn't prove anything except that you assume a lot of facts.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 

I guess what all the other MMOs would have to do to be as good as Eve or Ryzom is just delete all the quests, right?  Then you would have freedom to anything you can imagine... well, except for quests.

No, first you would need to make every quest optional by removing XP and only giving Currency as reward.

Take away the instances, Take away all the NPC loot, Make everything craftable. Add risk to the game thorugh player looting or if you dont like that item decay that cant be repaired.

You would need to get rid of the global market system so people could be actual traders that have to go out and find the Best prices for stuff.

Take all the best crafting mats and toss them in areas that can be controlled by alliances that need to be fought over.

Get rid of instanced pvp, make  people fight out in the world again.

Increase the difficulty of Mobs and drop the Xp group penalty so players can go on hunts again.

Do all this and the game would actually be a real MMO.

Might still be worse then Eve and Ryzom but atleast its a start and a way to get away from all the hand holding in themeparks.

You say you have all this freedom in themeparks? no you dont because those devs decided to reward you for features they want you to take part in (Quest stacking, Raids and Instanced pvp) people would never just RP in a corner of the map and Explore because all those players are designed to do nothing but go after rewards.

Just developing a character in a game world isnt enough they need to have shit handed to them for taking a piss!