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Originally posted by Eronakis
To all you Christian creationists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say there is a giant, fat blob of unicorn guts with gnomes in it out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit. Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell |
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Originally posted by Squirt5
To all you Christian creationists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say there is a giant, fat blob of unicorn guts with gnomes in it out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
Well, if you didn't put the "gnome" in thereI would of believed! But come on. There is physical evidence of my claim. Via the bible, the records of Jesus, ect. You can say the same with yours but your claim is just in spite to prove your ignorance. No. I don't know everything. No one knows everything. I know you was trying to use circular reasoning but you failed just a little bit. |
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Originally posted by Eronakis
Oh joy, circular logic.
Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution
Yes sir it is circular reasoning? Why? Because it takes faith for both sides =D And really you're going to post something from wikipedia?
See those little numbers in brackets at the end of statements? Click them. Wikipedia has citations that you're quite free to read if you have an issue with it.
It does not take faith to believe in evolution, and honestly I find it almost hilarious that people try to argue as such, as if that somehow makes their religious apprehensions more valid. Evolution is supported by rigorous testing, evidence, and peer review. Religion requires mental gymnastics to accept. There is no rationalization with evolution. There is no issue of interpretation. If evolution, as a scientific theory, lacks evidence, or possesses valid contradictory evidence against it, it ceases being a scientific theory.
Since I did in fact provide the evidence for evolution that you claim does not exist, I'll take your lack of a real response to that as admission that you're simply here to waste time.
I find your most recent post quite telling. Grow up, man. - |
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Originally posted by Eronakis
Well, if you didn't put the "gnome" in thereI would of believed! But come on. There is physical evidence of my claim. Via the bible, the records of Jesus, ect. You can say the same with yours but your claim is just in spite to prove your ignorance. No. I don't know everything. No one knows everything. I know you was trying to use circular reasoning but you failed just a little bit.
So if I wrote a book and said it was divinely inspired by my fat, blob of unicorn guts with gnomes in it, would that be physical evidence of its existence? No? Oh crap. Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell |
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Originally posted by Tykero
I don't reject science at all. I reject evolution which is not science. Now, sir you put those words in my mouth that "I seem to think I know everything." I never claimed that nor said that. You don't see a reason to believe in a God because it does not suit your lifestyle. So, really, as we learn more about the world the influence of God decreases? Really? how? Can you think of any good reasons? Or are you going to post me another wiki link? |
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Originally posted by Eronakis
I don't reject science at all. I reject evolution which is not science. Now, sir you put those words in my mouth that "I seem to think I know everything." I never claimed that nor said that. You don't see a reason to believe in a God because it does not suit your lifestyle. So, really, as we learn more about the world the influence of God decreases? Really? how? Can you think of any good reasons? Or are you going to post me another wiki link?
It's really sad that you can't address the facts presented.
Why is evolution not science? If you reject evolution, you must also reject the very principles of science, since it stands quite resolutely within them. Do you honestly believe gods don't have a lesser percieved influence now than thousands of years ago? Really? Thunder, lightning, storms, natural disasters, death, birth, day and night, good fortune, bad luck, crop growth... I can go on. These things were all once believed to be influenced by god(s). Now we know better.
My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my lifestyle. Nice red herring, though.
Enjoy your ignorance. I'm not going to waste time replying to somebody so intellectually infantile. - |
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Originally posted by Tykero
It's really sad that you can't address the facts presented.
Why is evolution not science? If you reject evolution, you must also reject the very principles of science, since it stands quite resolutely within them. Do you honestly believe gods don't have a lesser percieved influence now than thousands of years ago? Really? Thunder, lightning, storms, natural disasters, death, birth, day and night, good fortune, bad luck, crop growth... I can go on. These things were all once believed to be influenced by god(s). Now we know better.
My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my lifestyle. Nice red herring, though.
Enjoy your ignorance. I'm not going to waste time replying to somebody so intellectually infantile. I would, but it doesn't matter what I present. You would dismiss it anyways. You never presented proof of your claims either. Claiming you have more "intelligence" because we don't believe in the same thing. I am just going to stop there. A person who claims they have all of the intelligence sure doesn't have any common sense. |
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Originally posted by Eronakis
It's really sad that you can't address the facts presented.
Why is evolution not science? If you reject evolution, you must also reject the very principles of science, since it stands quite resolutely within them. Do you honestly believe gods don't have a lesser percieved influence now than thousands of years ago? Really? Thunder, lightning, storms, natural disasters, death, birth, day and night, good fortune, bad luck, crop growth... I can go on. These things were all once believed to be influenced by god(s). Now we know better.
My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my lifestyle. Nice red herring, though.
Enjoy your ignorance. I'm not going to waste time replying to somebody so intellectually infantile. I would, but it doesn't matter what I present. You would dismiss it anyways. You never presented proof of your claims either. Claiming you have more "intelligence" because we don't believe in the same thing. I am just going to stop there. A person who claims they have all of the intelligence sure doesn't have any common sense.
You would, but you can't. Because you don't have anything valid.
Here's some more evidence, since you seem to enjoy arbitrarily dismissing wikipedia. http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/comdesc/
I didn't say I had 'all the intelligence.' Your reading comprehension apparently matches your logical capability. I said you were intellectually infantile. In simpler terms: you are immature.
I said I was done before, but you've got quite the capability to irritate with brilliantly wrong information. This will be my last post in this thread. It's too far gone at this point. I can only hope that you one day wake up.
Science and religion don't have to be exclusive. - |
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If you would of really stopped you wouldn't of replied another time. I do have proof, I just didn't feel you couldn't understand it and/or deemed worthy to even type a "novel" on here. So are you done now? |
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Originally posted by Eronakis No you really need to re-read your posts and realize just how juvinile your being... Id debate the logic of your arguements as well but you seem more interested in personal attacks.
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lifesbrink
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Joined: 1/22/09
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You guys endlessly argue this religion thing over and over again on this forum, but what amuses me most are threads like these. Many of you talk about how things should be taught in schools and what should change, but at the end of the day, it is the people in power that create the changes you either hate or desire.
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Originally posted by Munki No you really need to re-read your posts and realize just how juvinile your being... Id debate the logic of your arguements as well but you seem more interested in personal attacks. I appriecaite the offer. I was just defending my self from personal attacks. I will say that it is one of my flaws. I do get angered easily and tempted to retailate. That is not really a good thing to do with the faith I have. |
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Yes..Let's all get along and talk about the topic. :-) |
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DeaconX
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Joined: 2/08/05
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How Did We All Come From Adam and Eve? LOGIC = We didn't.  Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
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This is an interesting series of videos. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AC3481305829426D&page=1 29 videos explaining why creationists get laughted at, adressing both youtube creationists as well as creationists documentaries Nearly every creationist claim is adressed. |
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This thread is saturated with ignorance. There has been pages of evidence for evolution posted in this thread alone, how could anyone possibly claim there to be no evidence? I guess if you're willing to read a book written by four people you don't know anything about based on a person you didn't know anything of until you read the book and call that evidence then you have a slightly warped view of what standards should be reached when labelling evidence as being credible. I think real evolutionary theory is wasted in this thread. Instead I'll use the 10 minutes I have on this site to give a brief outline as to why as a creationist you may struggle (or choose to struggle) to understand and trust "macro evolution". Anyone with a mind open to new ideas, including creationists willing to apply what I'm about to say to themselves, have my respect. If you trust in micro evolution then indeed you are correct but I'm sorry to say that doesn't brand you as a genius. It's clear as day light that small scale evolution exists because we see it every day, you can't argue against the existence of man made breeding and you can't argue against the adaptation of diseases. Macro evolution, however, is indeed harder to understand and I'm certain it is very tempting to accept that it doesn't exist when offered the very pleasing theory of intelligent design. The truth is though that whilst macro evolution is understood and widely accepted by scientists the creationists theory is favoured by the uneducated and deeply religious. Micro evolution has the advantage that it's fast and common, so you can observe and experience it during a lifetime, macro evolution however takes thousands - millions - billions of years or more. It's an extremely slow process that would never be possible for a human to witness in a lifetime. You cannot fill the lack of understanding of micro evolution with a theory based on god because you witness it every year, it's rubbed under your nose. Macro evolution however is so slow and difficult to grasp that it's an extremely easy step to just forget it and put god in its place. The difficulty you have however is convincing those who have thought deeply about it and researched it themselves, as nicely demonstrated in this thread. I'm running out of time but if you truly wish to understand evolution as a whole rather than just accepting the snippets that you can't ignore then a nice example is the eye. As a creationist you can easily deny that the eye could come from evolution by claiming it's so complex that only an intelligent person could make one, it couldn't just randomly appear. What you're ignoring though is that in evolution it doesn't need to (and didn't) all come as one piece in one mutation, as can be seen by observing the eyes of other creatures. You can note that eyes can be as small as a single cell that reacts to light and this would be an advantage to most creatures, then two cells instead of one would be even better. An eye can form over millions of years just through tiny steps, each step of the way being an advantage to the mutated creature lucky enough to be the first to have it. Learning evolution doesn't take leaps of faith like religious theories do, it just takes a lot of thought and some detailed reading. If you want to live your life filling the voids that you don't understand with god then that's your choice, but keep in mind that there are people dedicated to knowing the truth who are always happy to ignore the convenient theory for the complex theory that has more evidence. |
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Originally posted by Eronakis
If you are a Christian you don't have say "Some higher being put all this into motion whether you call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". Well Chrstians believe in one God and Jesus Christ. Stand by your belief if you claim your a Christian. And yes it does matter, because of those examples you listed they all can't be either or. It has to be one. Yes you are right it is all about faith. That is the key. A good though provoking post. As a Christian to another Christian, are you a Christian or a Catholic? I ask because there is a fine line. And there is one verse in the bible that supports that fine line. A Catholic is a Christian. I was baptized at birth to rid me of Original Sin. My statement "whether YOU call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". The key word is you. I do believe in God and our Savier. I used the word you to reflect everyones different beliefs on here. God gave us the knowledge to observe and determine life around us, but he also gave us the CHOICE whether to believe or not.
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Originally posted by outfctrl A Catholic is a Christian. I was baptized at birth to rid me of Original Sin. My statement "whether YOU call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". The key word is you. I do believe in God and our Savier. I used the word you to reflect everyones different beliefs on here. God gave us the knowledge to observe and determine life around us, but he also gave us the CHOICE whether to believe or not.
Its impossible to fully chose what to believe or not to believe. We have only a limted amount of control over what we can chose to believe. |
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Something just came to mind. If the earth was created 6 thousand years ago, with two persons, and we are now above 6 billion people on this planet. How much friggin "fracking" did them early people need to do make this an even remotely viable story and reach that number? Not a math major, allthough I could probably do it if need be but I seem to remember that we have fairly adequate mathematicians here?
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Originally posted by Tykero
You forget... that is EXACTLY what the religious fanatics do. Ignore the scientific proof in front of their faces because it contradicts their book. A book, to which there is no validity attached to it. We have no clue as to where these writings were the actual words of some "God" or if they were just some ramblings from a heat-stricken madman. Remember: Desert + continual exposure + lack of medical technology at the time, could = heat stroke and delirium. Therefore, these "words of God" could just be insane dribblings. Or, they could've been created to manipulate their believers into being more controllable (*cough* Mormons *cough*). No one has no ideal for certain, as none of this (even the "word of God") has never been proven. Yet, the blindly follow it like a mouse to cheese. However, evolution has been proven through science. Yet, again, the religious fanatics blatantly ignore it for their unvalidated book. |
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Originally posted by outfctrl
Nice try Outfctrl, however we all know that Eve was a Ho, slept around, got knocked up several times, and told Adam that the kids were his. Adam, in his own gullable way, always believed her......by the way, the snake was the pimp. That is why Pimps and Ho's is the oldest profession.
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God only exsists because people believe in him. If people stopped believing he would cease to exsist. "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair |
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Originally posted by tayschrenn
All unprovable assertions are equally irrational and equally unscientific in their approach. |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
There is no evidence to support that. This is just the United States, which has more creationists an any other industrialized country. Science supports evolution, not creationism.
Oh so we came from a fish or monkey then not another human being?? Yeah great theory...... |
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Originally posted by Fishermage
All unprovable assertions are equally irrational and equally unscientific in their approach.
Aye I know. But it sure looks good :D "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair |
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