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  Rokurgepta

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5/14/09 2:13:25 PM#21
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by DillingerEP

They were working on TR ever since 2001, and came out 2007. Seven years they had from creation to the day the game died, and NcSoft gave them enough time and money to the Garriott brothers... to make a awesome game. No what happens they make a sci-fi/fantasy type game, throw that out the window (which looked lot more promising) and  rush and scramble to make the sci-fi pile of poo we got in 2007 and pretty much left it in incapable hands.

RG is a joke.. he had to bail and leave once he got back from space. He got his money and his chance to play space cowboy.

 

Unthinking hands. That's NC Soft. Successfull by the grace of the oriental market. You could package manure to these guys and sell it as candy. Unless you've forgotten, RG has slapped a lawsuit apparently alleging fraud, so we should wait before concluding about who bailed out. The game was still a better poo than every recent release on the market.

So because there is a lawsuit we should believe RG was wronged? We all know in the USA no one ever files a lawsuit unless they are 100% correct.
 

  _Shadowmage

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5/14/09 6:53:23 PM#22


Originally posted by Trollarama
I'll definitely support the game for several months at least if they do that.


That there is the main problem Tabula Rasa had. MMO's dont survive on churning their entire playerbase every few months. To last as a MMO the game has to keep players entertained for years.

As people here will tell you - I was a big fan of the game, in beta, mod on a fan-site etc. As a casual player I lasted 8 months post release before I hit level cap, got bored and left to play something else.

Dont get me wrong - I had fun playing - but the fun didnt last. I was playing 10 hours a week. For people playing more often the fun ran out sooner.

  DillingerEP

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5/15/09 2:57:26 AM#23

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 3:20:03 AM#24
Originally posted by DillingerEP

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

 

I'm confident they got all that back on copy sales alone in the first few months.

  Raltar

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5/15/09 12:03:35 PM#25
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by DillingerEP

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

 I'm confident they got all that back on copy sales alone in the first few months.


 

Yeah... I'm sure. (????) Profitable games that make huge sums of money like that are always the first to get shut down. I hear WoW is being shut down next week.

(Seriously, if you are going to troll try not to make us laugh at you. It kind of defeats the point.)

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  spikers14

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5/15/09 12:16:02 PM#26

So, if I'm getting all this correct...

Just add RG to the list of things you shouldn't talk to your friends and family about -- right next to religion and politics. Got it.

  Rokurgepta

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5/15/09 12:17:47 PM#27
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by DillingerEP

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

 

I'm confident they got all that back on copy sales alone in the first few months.


 

Then you need to learn math. Here I will teach you. 100 million divided by 50 = 2 million. TR never sold 2 million copies. The game peaked at under 100k subs. That concludes todays lesson. Please check back tomorrow and I will teach you something new.

 

If TR had made back the initial costs you would still be playing. Can you really believe they made back their money? You do know NCSoft puts out a Quarterly financial report and any of this can be researched instead of guessed at like you continue to do so poorly.

 

Edit: TR was selling so well that by me 3 months after release it was on the $19.99 and under rack.

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 12:18:33 PM#28
Originally posted by Raltar
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by DillingerEP

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

 I'm confident they got all that back on copy sales alone in the first few months.


 

Yeah... I'm sure. (????) Profitable games that make huge sums of money like that are always the first to get shut down. I hear WoW is being shut down next week.

(Seriously, if you are going to troll try not to make us laugh at you. It kind of defeats the point.)

 

By your tone, It appears YOU are the troll here. I'm not sure what relevance the WOW comparison is. No other game has gone remotely close to it's level of success, so again, don't compare the game to WOW.  

I don't have the figures for copy sales but some might have put it at 140k. Do the maths, even an estimation, otherwise go crap on another thread.

  Rokurgepta

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5/15/09 12:20:50 PM#29
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by Raltar
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by DillingerEP

If anyone should be issuing a lawsuit, it should be NcSoft vs RG.... asking for their 100million back. .

 I'm confident they got all that back on copy sales alone in the first few months.


 

Yeah... I'm sure. (????) Profitable games that make huge sums of money like that are always the first to get shut down. I hear WoW is being shut down next week.

(Seriously, if you are going to troll try not to make us laugh at you. It kind of defeats the point.)

 

By your tone, It appears YOU are the troll here. I'm not sure what relevance the WOW comparison is. No other game has gone remotely close to it's level of success, so again, don't compare the game to WOW.  

I don't have the figures for copy sales but some might have put it at 140k. Do the maths, even an estimation, otherwise go crap on another thread.


 

OK do the math 140k copies times $50 = $700,000 in copy sales. How does that cover the $100 million they spent? It would seem maths are your downfall.

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 12:26:40 PM#30
Originally posted by Rokurgepta


 

Then you need to learn math. Here I will teach you. 100 million divided by 50 = 2 million. TR never sold 2 million copies. The game peaked at under 100k subs. That concludes todays lesson. Please check back tomorrow and I will teach you something new.

 


 

Thank you for the maths lesson. Now would you agree that  the first 140k  or so sub came along with a copy of the game? And can your brain figure out which is more expensive,  the sub or the game copy?  Also I wouln't bandy about too much with one figure because it's subject to fluctuation. I know, I know. Your brain cant handle fluctuating figures. Take some more maths lessons.

  Rokurgepta

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5/15/09 12:30:31 PM#31
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by Rokurgepta


 

Then you need to learn math. Here I will teach you. 100 million divided by 50 = 2 million. TR never sold 2 million copies. The game peaked at under 100k subs. That concludes todays lesson. Please check back tomorrow and I will teach you something new.

 


 

Thank you for the maths lesson. Now would you agree that  the first 140k  or so sub came along with a copy of the game? And can your brain figure out which is more expensive,  the sub or the game copy?  Also I wouln't bandy about too much with one figure because it's subject to fluctuation. I know, I know. Your brain cant handle fluctuating figures. Take some more maths lessons.


 

I did not say subs. Learn to read I said they paid $50 for the game. That is 140k people buying the game. Those game copies might have come out to $700,000 dollars. Not even close to the 100 million they needed to make back. The figure is not subject to fluctuation in any way shape or form. If anything the money would go down if you want to talk about the game cost going down so soon after release. The sub number I quoted was the highest they had playing the game at the same time.

 

Seriously you are in no position to question anyone elses brain when your own thinks 140k copies of the game and the highest querterly sub rate under 100k means they made back 100 MILLION dollars. Trollarama this is not the place for you. Here we have people with braincells.

 

Edit: I will type slowly for you. They spent over 100 million to get RG ont he game and the game developed. They would have needed to sell 2 million copies of the game to make your fantasy statement of making that money back on copy sales the first few months. You are obviously a clueless child with no education or ability to add. Please stop making this place dumber than normal.

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 2:04:06 PM#32

How many times did you edit your last post? It reads good enough to soothe your fragile ego.

 

It wouldn't be a smart thing to go around throwing numbers like they were facts in the first place, and you seem to have omitted the years worth of subs conveniently. They do add up Einstein. I'm certain RG is in a better position to know than you. He did state it could/ should have continued, so let's wait and see because I don't think he'd be brave enough in the first place to throw a lawsuit if he was in doubt.

NC Soft are currently thinking "shall we settle or go to court?."  I'd be nervous if I did something wrong.

  Rokurgepta

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5/15/09 2:16:29 PM#33
Originally posted by Trollarama

How many times did you edit your last post? It reads good enough to soothe your fragile ego.

 

It wouldn't be a smart thing to go around throwing numbers like they were facts in the first place, and you seem to have omitted the years worth of subs conveniently. They do add up Einstein. I'm certain RG is in a better position to know than you. He did state it could/ should have continued, so let's wait and see because I don't think he'd be brave enough in the first place to throw a lawsuit if he was in doubt.

NC Soft are currently thinking "shall we settle or go to court?."  I'd be nervous if I did something wrong.


 

The numbers are facts. They release a quarterly financial report than anyone, even you, can look up and see the facts. The years worth of subs were less than 8 million for the year the game was active. I omitted them because your statement was they made the money back in box sales alone. So the omission was because your own uneducated and unknowledgable statement did not include the years worth of Subs, which was not a very large number to begin with. If you fail to do your own research why should I take you seriously? You are clearly a know nothing troll, it is even part of you name.

 

Could the game have continued? Sure and maybe with enough work one day it might have broken even. But at the ratge it was dying off before RG quit or they announced the game was being shut down that dfay would have been 15 years from now and that would not have included any costs during those 15 years.

 

By the way I did one edit on that post and if you paid attention I put the word edit in and then added my comment.

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 2:32:04 PM#34

It depends on what your definition of 'Troll' is. I've been lurking for awhile here and I fittingly dedicated my username for the average level of mentality that permeates here. I consider a troll as someone with social difficulties, primarily people who have a need to put others down at the merest thought of attempting some form of rational debate. You seem to fit this definition.

 

I'll have to repeat what I said earlier about figures. Don't pretend you are certain of the figures. You are judging by hypothetical figures. I'll concede that my original 100 million/copy sales figure is wrong but how do we really know how much the project cost? They could be cooked for all we know. If it was that black and white like a few of you claim about NC Soft losing 100million, then why the hell would RG be so bold with the lawsuit?

  Rokurgepta

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5/15/09 2:46:20 PM#35
Originally posted by Trollarama

It depends on what your definition of 'Troll' is. I've been lurking for awhile here and I fittingly dedicated my username for the average level of mentality that permeates here. I consider a troll as someone with social difficulties, primarily people who have a need to put others down at the merest thought of attempting some form of rational debate. You seem to fit this definition.

 

I'll have to repeat what I said earlier about figures. Don't pretend you are certain of the figures. You are judging by hypothetical figures. I'll concede that my original 100 million/copy sales figure is wrong but how do we really know how much the project cost? They could be cooked for all we know. If it was that black and white like a few of you claim about NC Soft losing 100million, then why the hell would RG be so bold with the lawsuit?


 

Nice and slow again. NCSoft is a publically traded company by LAW they are required to report quarterly on their financial issues. These reports can be downloaded on the internet. Most people you see discussing these numbers about TR have dowloaded and read the reports. The only thing you need to do is calculate Korean money into your own to get the costs and profits. Learn what hypothetical means. Get a dictionary son and educate yourself.

 

You have insulted entire cultures and other people on this board. You fit your definition of troll to a T. You refuse to do research yet you cry because I insult you for it. If you fail to educate yourself that is your problem, stop blaming me for your own shortcomings. I have tryied to explain it nicely but the truth is you do not deserve that treatment. You refuse to listen to people who have clearly proven they know more about this subject than you. Your insistance upon questioning numbers you are too lazy to look up has become annoying at best. If you want to continue this feeble debate of yours I suggest some real research so you can actually approach the level of maturity you seem to think you have attained.

  Trollarama

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OP  5/15/09 3:14:59 PM#36
Originally posted by Rokurgepta


 

Nice and slow again. NCSoft is a publically traded company by LAW they are required to report quarterly on their financial issues. These reports can be downloaded on the internet. Most people you see discussing these numbers about TR have dowloaded and read the reports. The only thing you need to do is calculate Korean money into your own to get the costs and profits. Learn what hypothetical means. Get a dictionary son and educate yourself.

 

You have insulted entire cultures and other people on this board. You fit your definition of troll to a T. You refuse to do research yet you cry because I insult you for it. If you fail to educate yourself that is your problem, stop blaming me for your own shortcomings. I have tryied to explain it nicely but the truth is you do not deserve that treatment. You refuse to listen to people who have clearly proven they know more about this subject than you. Your insistance upon questioning numbers you are too lazy to look up has become annoying at best. If you want to continue this feeble debate of yours I suggest some real research so you can actually approach the level of maturity you seem to think you have attained.


 

Okay mate. Your accusation of cultural insult is a little over sensitive methinks but dont be dishonest as to think you explained anything nicely here.

I'll concede I was wrong and maybe a little silly in regards to the cost of the project and I apologize. NC Soft lost money. Are they absolved of any blame? I don't think so. They did nothing to promote the game, save a few mind invasive adds on DR. Arenanet, I was observing made a strange shfit in regards to policy on GW2 release date after NC Soft released some itinery putting it to 2011-12. Arenanet had made some statement about an early 09 release and then made an official statement denying it. What's this got to do with it? I'm not certain but maybe I'm postulating that they marginalized or maybe even sabotaged TR to concentrate on other stuff. You don't make revenue by showing no support and keeping it up for 1 year.

 

 

  Rokurgepta

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Joined: 8/15/08
Posts: 2208

5/15/09 8:46:29 PM#37
Originally posted by Trollarama
Originally posted by Rokurgepta


 

Nice and slow again. NCSoft is a publically traded company by LAW they are required to report quarterly on their financial issues. These reports can be downloaded on the internet. Most people you see discussing these numbers about TR have dowloaded and read the reports. The only thing you need to do is calculate Korean money into your own to get the costs and profits. Learn what hypothetical means. Get a dictionary son and educate yourself.

 

You have insulted entire cultures and other people on this board. You fit your definition of troll to a T. You refuse to do research yet you cry because I insult you for it. If you fail to educate yourself that is your problem, stop blaming me for your own shortcomings. I have tryied to explain it nicely but the truth is you do not deserve that treatment. You refuse to listen to people who have clearly proven they know more about this subject than you. Your insistance upon questioning numbers you are too lazy to look up has become annoying at best. If you want to continue this feeble debate of yours I suggest some real research so you can actually approach the level of maturity you seem to think you have attained.


 

Okay mate. Your accusation of cultural insult is a little over sensitive methinks but dont be dishonest as to think you explained anything nicely here.

I'll concede I was wrong and maybe a little silly in regards to the cost of the project and I apologize. NC Soft lost money. Are they absolved of any blame? I don't think so. They did nothing to promote the game, save a few mind invasive adds on DR. Arenanet, I was observing made a strange shfit in regards to policy on GW2 release date after NC Soft released some itinery putting it to 2011-12. Arenanet had made some statement about an early 09 release and then made an official statement denying it. What's this got to do with it? I'm not certain but maybe I'm postulating that they marginalized or maybe even sabotaged TR to concentrate on other stuff. You don't make revenue by showing no support and keeping it up for 1 year.

 

 


 

First off the mods deleted your racial insult so I was not being over sensitive. I was correct and you were out of line.

 

As for explaining nice, sure I tried without insult at first but you quickly wore away my kindness with repeated attacks on my honesty because you continually questioned my numbers. The same numbers you refused to research yourself.

 

I never said NCSoft shoulders no blame here. They pushed out that pile of trash at least a year before it was ready for paying customers. It makes no sense to sabotage the game you spent the most money on. They lost more closing TR than any other game they have. Though I am looking forward to GW2 I am not happy it will now be 2-3 years later than initially planned.

  kazmo

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Joined: 5/31/08
Posts: 730

5/16/09 7:59:16 AM#38

Thank you for the pressing news.









hah.. "pressing news", funny..


*cough*

  kazmo

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Joined: 5/31/08
Posts: 730

5/16/09 8:12:23 AM#39

I really don't get it. What is not to understand people..

Mr. Richard is the #1 failure when it comes to putting out an MMO. It's amusing when people say that maybe there is a slim chance it could come back. 

Really?

By the way, it's not Tabula Rasa, it is Richard Garriott's Tabula Rasa, that is the real title of the game.

When the game is failing and needs utter resuscitation - What more confirmation do you need from someone to know they don't give a shit, when the one man ultimately responsible for nearly everything, the man bearing the actual title of the game is ...............IN. FUCKING. SPACE.

You can't make this up. The s.o.b. was in SPACE! This is like a horrible fucking comedy!

The man wasn't even on EARTH and you expect there might be a come back and Richard Garriott isn't at fault, after spending 30M for that little space escapade.

  catsaad

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/02/08
Posts: 197

when you cant change anything in this world .sit back and relax .said by anonymous.

5/18/09 8:38:17 AM#40
Originally posted by aeroplane22

I really don't get it. What is not to understand people..

Mr. Richard is the #1 failure when it comes to putting out an MMO. It's amusing when people say that maybe there is a slim chance it could come back. 

Really?

By the way, it's not Tabula Rasa, it is Richard Garriott's Tabula Rasa, that is the real title of the game.

When the game is failing and needs utter resuscitation - What more confirmation do you need from someone to know they don't give a shit, when the one man ultimately responsible for nearly everything, the man bearing the actual title of the game is ...............IN. FUCKING. SPACE.

You can't make this up. The s.o.b. was in SPACE! This is like a horrible fucking comedy!

The man wasn't even on EARTH and you expect there might be a come back and Richard Garriott isn't at fault, after spending 30M for that little space escapade.

are you an employee of plaync or what?? it was plaync that made free promotion for game by making hype of richard garriot going in space. it was called operation mortality!!!! if you have short term memory loss .it is fine with me.

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