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In response to the original post: I boycotted buying square's games years ago because they're unoriginal and shitty,....however, they do have the right to tell people not to make sequels to their original franchises, how would you feel if you wrote a story then some twat who thought they knew better made a sequel to it without your permission? I'd be raging personally.
Frankly the people making this "sequel" maybe should've just made their own game while inspired by crono trigger...and if you meant remake when you said sequel, well the game has been rereleased, it's not faded into public domain so again Square-Enix have a right to protect the exclusivity of their product.
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Originally posted by SgtFrog
what they lost a handfull of customers. ... i dont think they care :P. True... maybe a dozen... give or take, not really worth worrying about. |
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How is the SWG emu allowed to bein development? I'm assuming they approached SOE and LucasArts and agreed not to make a profit off the game. All these guys had to do was talk to SE, ask their permission, and agree not to make a profit off SE's IP. I think..but they didn't so it doesn't matter now. I wonder if SE would even need to purchase the material. Could they just seize the game? |
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Ignorance & a lesson learned. Don't make a sequel to a game you have ZERO rights to. Really, really stupid. They can still play the game themselves in their basements with their friends=)
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Are they asking money? If they are not going to capitalize with the game... then why shuting them down? It's just fan fiction, theres a lot of it made, just look at deviant art. thinking like this we should be striping any image and piece of music that appears on you tube and is copyrighted... oh wait, its already done, carry on then i guess....
Just don't complain when your society starts to lack art...
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Midnitte
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Joined: 6/11/06
To not conform is to conform; Always question orders and demand a reason, least you become a Nazi. |
Its the fact that they made the game using an IP they had no rights for, its like Blizzard developing a free version of Half Life 2.
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lifesbrink
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Joined: 1/22/09
Sometimes a heart can only be broken so many times before it stops healing |
Eh, I thought it looked rather lame....when is anyone going to step up, remake Chrono Trigger in 3d with a decent reorganization of the story, soundtrack and settings and then just release it through the torrents!?? I want to see that! This crimson echoes game on the other hand, did not look so thrilling. Bleh! |
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As much as it sucks for the team behind the project, they should have clarified or atleast looked into this issue before they started.
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Originally posted by Sovrath
And had they requested permission ahead of time it's entirely possible SE may have worked with them to a degree. |
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Originally posted by Sovrath
wait a minute. So you are saying that somebody took someone else's intellectual property, used it to make a game and the owners of that property have asked them to stop... took measures to make them stop and this is wrong? edit: who puts in that amount of work without getting permission to use it in such a matter? If I set a poem to music or use a scene that was written by someone else, I get permission, sign contracts, even pay a small fee if I feel it's worth it. I would think that making a game, a substantial game, of another company's intellectual property would require at least for them to contact square enix to begin with and just let them know they were doing this.
Hmm, I'm curious as to why Squenix has never done anything about Final Fantasy IV Mods done in NwN? In fact it surprises me that they never did, as if memory serves me right per the EULA Bioware retains ownership of any modules created with the NwN engine... Now with NwN, created modules can't be sold, due to the EULA, but with this fan based game it wasn't going to be sold either.... Also if memory serves me right there have always been Chrono models available for RPG maker, and although I never saw a finished game, I never recall anyone using RPG Maker to create a Chrono fan game receiving a cease and decist.... Seems odd to me that this group has been singled out. |
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Originally posted by fungistratus
What's their new MMORPG code name.. Project Rapture or some such.... Maybe.... Just maybe, their MMO is Chrono.... |
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Originally posted by lifesbrink
Someone did start this 3d project a few years back and they too received a cease and decist. |
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If it's 98% done then you have 2 options when given a C&D 1) Stop. 2) Change all referencing articles in-game to unique ones. Therefore creating your own IP. I.E. instead of Chrono, make it Krono. And instead of Frog, make it Toad. Granted that would take a while but on the other hand then your man decades wouldn't be in vain? |
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lol I loved chrono trigger but it was the guys fault for not asking SE if he could make it. I am still buying Final Fantasy 13 and Versus 13, and the next big kingdom hearts. |
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Originally posted by Crosius
If you watch a trailer for it they only use Chrono Trigger art assets. The only thing original is the story, and it is not even well written from what I saw. |
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Before investing any time or money messing around in someone else's product, simply courtesy requires you check with them first and see if it's okay. It's just polite. The holder of the original IP is perfectly entitled to pull the plug if and when they want to. The fact Square let this get to 98% done before calling a stop to it is a bit cruel (or amusing, depending on your level of cynicism) but the assumption from the developers that they could do this without so much as a by your leave shows a fair lack of respect, if not contempt, for the concept of ownership so it balances out. The ruptured capillaries in your nose belie the clarity of your wisdom. |
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Originally posted by fungistratus Yes, because Square Enix has absolutely no claim to their own original work, and they should applaud every time someone decides to remake and release one of their games without permission. Real life doesn't work that way, sorry. Maybe he can channel all that time and energy to creating a game of his own rather than stealing someone else's. |
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Originally posted by lornphoenix No they didn't... but it does more harm then good, imo. But it didn't do more harm than good. What happens when a fan comes along and blatantly steals something from an IP that actually makes money, like Final Fantasy? They go after those people because they represent a tangible financial harm and the judge throws the case out because they didn't protect their IP in this case. When you have copyright, you have to defend *ALL* of them *ALL* of the time, you can't pick and choose which ones to defend and which ones to ignore or you end up losing the right to defend them all. That's how the system works. In reality, a game that was never authorized to begin with and that SE would never have made money from goes away and SE keeps making games that do make them money. I fail to see a problem here at all. The only thing those whiners on DIGG did is prove their own immaturity. Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR |
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Originally posted by lornphoenix wha? Anyway, I never understood why companies do stuff like this... it just generates hate toward them.
All the games I've seen from them have gay emo hair, look like fags and has really bad voice acting and cheesey stories. |
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Originally posted by John.A.Zoid Geez way to come across like a Homophobe there... Anyway, most of the games I played by thing didn't even have voices... I'm talking SNES and Playstation 1 games, here... those were the best. The newer ones are ok, but have lost something.
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Originally posted by kalaren The story uses characters and places created by Square Enix and is based off previous games they created. There's nothing original involved here at all. It's little more than Chrono Trigger fan fiction. |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
This is true, however they could have stopped it 4 years ago, as its been publicly developed and was about 98% done. Hence, dicks. As one of the greatist RPG's ever made (Trigger and cross) i was looking foward to this. Its not as if they were making money off of it.
The Lord of the Rings fan movie could be hit with a cease and desist as well. The owners of the IP are well, the OWNERS of the IP. When you make something with someone elses IP, you are at their mercy. Doesn't matter if it's 99.9 % finsihed, or 100% finished. It is not the responsibility of the OWNERS of the IP to stop you from wasting your time. It's your responsibility to make something original, make your OWN IP, or realize you are a thief and at the mercy of the real OWNER. If your so good at making games, or movies, MAKE SOEMTHING ORIGINAL!!!!!! and you won't ever have this problem. There is a group of people that don't believe in Intellectual Property rigths. They think if it isn't tangible property, they have the right to take it and use it. It's the same people taht think they have a right to download music, and that drug companies shouldn't be allowed to patent medicine. Make it all free, it belongs to the people! yea, people that never spent time and labor to make anything should just take it. I don't think so.
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Well i feel for the makers, but i can't help but feel as though it sounds like it was a risk from the start, and maybe a little more business knowledge wouldn't have gone a miss. I hope somehow the game can get a release anyway, possibly with some kind of deal with SE, but that is not going to happen. |
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I don't think Square is wrong, but they could have gained my money on that 3D remake of Chrono Trigger. Chrono Resurrection was the name. The people behind the idea of these fan made content should have tried to contact Square even before the development of the game. |
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It is not the responsibility of the OWNERS of the IP to stop you from wasting your time. It's your responsibility to make something original, make your OWN IP, or realize you are a thief and at the mercy of the real OWNER.
That's not exactly true. Law goes that the IP owner has to enforce their rights or risk losing them all together.
What SE did was completely justified, unfortunately.
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