Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by IronZ

See that yellow part up there?  Funny how some of you folks leave that out of the argument.  Did WoW steal ideas? Of course they did!  Why aren't they sued left and right for stealing ideas?  Probably because the people that made up orcs, demons, elves, etc etc are LONG DEAD.  These ideas have been around forever in games and books and such.  To whine about Blizz using ideas from other games then not acknowleding that those games themselves did the same thing is pretty weak at best.

ZYes, did read that part and agree if anyone holds the rights to dwarves and elves and orcs he is long dead. Did you read what i said? My reference was to the non existent  WOW lore you seem so proud of.

 

I suggest you play the warcraft games and/or read many of the novels http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=warcraft+books&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=3225024999&ref=pd_sl_23ao6hr71q_e and only then comment on WoW lore.

Played the game for two years and didnt notice much of a story at all until WOTLK. As for the novels i could be wrong but would bet the majority if not all came after the game.

 

I suggest you play the RTS games, yes the books didin't arrive until after the first WC game in 1994, but theres a rich history if you care to look, playing WoW for  2 years realy doesn't cut it.  Just as I know jack about the WH lore, from what I have picked up its a very shallow and basic lore but thats my opinion from my limited experience... I cannot name a single key character in WH but loads and their history in WC.

If you look back when Warcraft first came out, and hell even after the second one, the lore almost went hand and hand with some of stories told in the Warhammer Army books (Codexs for 40k players).  Magic portals bringing for warriors for chaos (dark portal anyone?) fight against the Empire blah blah blah.  It wasn't till the 3rd Warcraft game that Blizzard began to really work on its own lore.  As you notice they began going down a different path.  Then they released WoW and began releasing the novels and comics.  

My point is back in the beginning Warcraft look, and felt like a long campaign of Warhammer, which personally I was fine with since  Gameswork shop had yet to release a good pc game.  Everything about the first two games screamed, "Hey the creators love Warhammer, and we enjoyed its lore!" so they played with it to their own ends.  Which is FINE!

As for your comment  Warhammer has shallow lore, I can really tell you have no experience with gamesworkshop then.  Inside of each army book there are stories about your chosens races past, hereos, battles, and so forth.  Every year there are campaigns players all across the world that actually change the Warhammer (and 40k) worlds.   Also if you take 5 seconds and look up warhammer on amazon you'll find plenty of lore

www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw

Originally posted by Skeeterxi

If a company rips off most of their ideas from other games, and does it better than the said games, more power to them. I could care less where they get their ideas as long as its fun to me. Blizzard is known for taking ideas from other companies and doing it better than them, its not a big deal. Most of the games Blizzard takes from, took from games and IPs before them, its all recycled. Whatever the game is, at least you know it won't be rushed and will be polished unlike all the incomplete trash released the past two years, regardless if it suits your interest or not. I get sick of companies releasing half complete games with the intent to just patch it later, Blizzard will have enough money to actually finish their game.

the world would be a better place if we all could agre with this

sadly for some reason certain lowlifes feel like scum when told that their patron god Blizzard isnt the be all end all of originality and innovation

and they will righteously bite the neck and drink the blood of all those blasphemous heretics (a.k.a hateboi/troll) that even dare to point that Blizzard arent the best of the best and deserve lifelong whorshipping for everything they did, do and will ever do, be it "creating" IPs,developing "good" games,sending rockets to mars or finding he cure for cancer, AIDs and common cold

whatever you imagine, blizzard did it first, and better than anyone else. and u better agree with that, or else...

For some reason whenever blizzards name is mentioned, certain worthless scumbags can't seem to resist the need to bash blizzard at every chance they get.  Then those scumbags get mad when called out on it.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Xzen

Starcraft and Warcraft were hevily influenced by GamesWorkshop's Warhammer 40k and Warhammer tabletop games. No big deal. Don't know why anyone would make a big deal out of it. I don't know why anyone would have a hard time reliseing it either....

Me ether. I guess my first line just rubbed some people the same way.

They don't like seeing their "precious" come under scrutiny.  If you don't sing Blizzard's praise you are a hater.

LOL... What ever floats your boat... Its not as if there are entire LEGIONS of people who HATE Blizzard, simply for having the most popular and PROFITABLE MMO in existence... Not that they would EVER admit to such of course...

Originally posted by Scalebane

For some reason whenever blizzards name is mentioned, certain worthless scumbags can't seem to resist the need to bash blizzard at every chance they get.  Then those scumbags get mad when called out on it.

11 pages and i havent seen any blizzard bashing .noone even care about the fact that they did steal IPs left and right. they did, the games they released were good,and the world didnt stop spinning.

blizzard fanboi bashing on the other hand,yes. oh well,idiots always ask for it

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Meaning its going to be eerily similar to someone else's IP. Like allways.

LOL! So true!

I think Blizzard is the only company that will be able to break this WoW clone mold that all other MMOs follow.

I hope so.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Meaning its going to be eerily similar to someone else's IP. Like allways.

Please show me something that is 100% original and bears absolutely no resemblance to any existing IP when it was created....

Originally posted by HDomni

They said plenty of times before the new MMO would not be an existing IP, why is this news now?

My thoughts excactly, really not sure why this old news is news today again. Wasn't it ALWAY's known ever since Blizzard announced they are working on a new MMO that it will be a unknown IP?

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Isamright33

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.

Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.

Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.

 

I look foward to seeing what they ripoff come up with.

 

the jealousy hate runs deep in this one.. MMMmmm

 

Jealousy of what? WoW is a fine game, and they have does great things. But lets not claim the IP was holy original shall we.

 

I keep forgetting that i need to put an entire disclaimer on my life, and views. Or the posting physics will call me out!

 

 

 

 

I am waiting for you or some one else to chime in with the classic yet 100% unfounded "Warcraft was ment to be Warhammer but GW decided to cancel" or the even funnier "starcraft was ment to be Warhammer 40k"
 

Bottom line, Warcraft and starcraft play on the classic races and settings that all sci-fi and fantasy games,books and stories have always played on... Warhammer/40k created nothing original or can claim to be original in anyway... just as WoW/SC cannot.. its the story and characters that make a game great and Blizzard are masters at that.

 

I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....
 

And no offense but I have studied the warhammer universe and I don't see any similarities between the two in question, and say lord of the rings, or c.s. lewis's books...so i mean if you really want to get nit picky, warhammer stole from conan.

You studied the warhammer universe and see no similarities?  really?

WoW = Alliance vs horde

A common misconception, there is no Alliance vs Horde in WoW, there is no good vs bad in WoW the story is fsr more complicated and rich than that

Warhammer = Order vs destruction

WoW = Alliance has 3 races  vs horde has 3 races

WoW has 10 races at present, 8 at release 4.5 years ago, you didnt even know that?

Warhammer = order has 3 races vs destruction has 3 races.

 

Come on man

 

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Dalgor

As for the blizz haters, screw off, they made WoW originally, with no copying from anyone else. If you consider patching the game with third party mods or new MMO features that players noticably like in other games copying, then every MMO in the spectrum copys from others. I dont like WoW or play it, but doesnt make it anyless of an amazing feat what Blizz has done with their first MMO of hopefully many( hopefully they all vary greatly from each other )

 

You mean they didn't steal their entire art direction from Warhammer RPG tabletop games and that they didn't steal the blueprint from EQ for their first MMO franchise? News to me and the rest of the veteran MMO/gaming community. Stop living in denial or better yet do a little research before making such rabid false claims.

If WoW is a copy of EQ its news to me. If that's the case, I never would have been able to stomach playing it. EQ sucked. :D

Originally posted by HDomni

Are we still comparing chicken to chicken?

I like chicken. :D

Originally posted by TheHavok

It would be hilarious if it was a sandbox.

It would be hilarious, but it won't be a sandbox.

Sandbox = Niche = Few Players = Commercial Failure <> Blizzard

lol

I'm looking forward to what they're gonna do

who knows, maybe they're reading these forums right now browsing for ideas ^_^

it's transformers MMO :)

Originally posted by Bleakmage

 

If WoW is a copy of EQ its news to me. If that's the case, I never would have been able to stomach playing it. EQ sucked. :D

        Its not a copy....its a greatly dumbed down version of it......WoW took the things that are in EQ and made them 1000X easier for the user.......They made the game so your 5 year old brother could play it.......EQ had some horrible time sinks no doubt but as far as the challenge of the game it was light years ahead of WoW.

All "ZOMG WoW COPIED X" or "X is a WoW CLONE"  or  "STOLE" used in any way shape or form ASIDE.

I'm enjoying WoW now and the lore is really interesting. 

I played WAR for 2 months and Felt it was too choppy of a game I might go back to it if they refine it but It's just not fun for me right now.


I see alot of tabletop QQIng. What about D&D? 


Anyway, I'm waiting for a debate to occur and not an argument.

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by Bleakmage

 

If WoW is a copy of EQ its news to me. If that's the case, I never would have been able to stomach playing it. EQ sucked. :D

 

        Its not a copy....its a greatly dumbed down version of it......WoW took the things that are in EQ and made them 1000X easier for the user.......They made the game so your 5 year old brother could play it.......EQ had some horrible time sinks no doubt but as far as the challenge of the game it was light years ahead of WoW.

Bah, I'll admit it, I was an Asheron's Call Fanboi. :D

Originally posted by charris1980

it's transformers MMO :)

As long as it's not Michael Bay 'Transformers', lol. I saw the trailer to the new one and I wanted to puke.

Originally posted by Bleakmage

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by Bleakmage

 

If WoW is a copy of EQ its news to me. If that's the case, I never would have been able to stomach playing it. EQ sucked. :D

 

        Its not a copy....its a greatly dumbed down version of it......WoW took the things that are in EQ and made them 1000X easier for the user.......They made the game so your 5 year old brother could play it.......EQ had some horrible time sinks no doubt but as far as the challenge of the game it was light years ahead of WoW.

 

Bah, I'll admit it, I was an Asheron's Call Fanboi. :D

  Hell to the Yeah!!  Asheron's Call  FTW!!! I beta'd both back in the day and My cash went to AC.

On a different note, anyone else find it odd that whenever they bash on the Fact that Warcraft universe did start out VERY VERY similar to the warhammer universe most of those saying "nu uh stop hating!!"   ONLY mention World of Warcraft and Warhammer Online?  As if neither existed when they were Rts games, go back and look, they always say Wow even though the original flamefest started from a statement about the original Warcaft: Orcs and Humans game.   

Say does anyone remember Space Hulk? oooh that was a great one back then.  

Sorry back on topic, yes they are similar, no denying it unless you choose to.   Doesn't mean that blizz doesn't make a great game.

I think some of you need to get out more >.>

I'm just happy there are new and fun games coming out all the time.

Not worried about the BS that would cause me to copy someone's comment repeatedly and argue with them.

This thread is simply more proof that humanity fails.

In other news, I'm sure what ever kind of game Blizzard plans to create will be golden, just like all of their other titles. I'm personally looking forward to it, just as I have most of their other games. Considering I used to rock out to playing The Lost Vikings, and Rock & Roll Racing back in the day. However, back then their branding didn't mean much to me considering I was six years old or so. All the hating on Blizzard, or any other development/gaming studio is generally never warranted unless of course they blatantly attempt to rip you off. Kind of like Darkfall.
 

Enjoy what ever game you're playing, that's generally all anyone can ask.  If you've gotta come to forums to bitch about other titles, that's great, but at least attempt to be respectful.

Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is nonexistent. And don’t bother concealing your thievery - celebrate it if you feel like it.  ~ Jim Jarmusch

Originally posted by beauxaj

Say does anyone remember Space Hulk? oooh that was a great one back then.  

Doesn't mean that blizz doesn't make a great game.

Space Hulk was tons of fun (both board- and computer-game versions).... in fact, I wouldn't mind setting autowatch for these re-hashed "new" news posts (which aren't new) and rabid fanbois and trolls, alike. They all need shot to pieces before we have to put up with them. :P

As for Bliz: it's just a pity that people are willing to define "great game" as something that's little more than a dumbed-down, weak-lored, badly-balanced grind-fest. Sure, WoW is well-polished (now) and (arguably) fun to play, when you're in the mood for a game that doesn't require you to have your brain switched on (most of the end-game raids, now, can be completed by Joe Newbie Bloggs and his 9-24 little sheep with no more than a pre-written raid guide that's usually available before the raid instance has even been released to live servers)... but given how long WoW's now been out, the money they've had available and the (arguable) competence of their staff, I wouldn't expect otherwise. That said, once you're past the novelty factor, it really does get boring, quick; new content is shiny but, in Bliz's case, it's little more than re-hashed content or (horribly) re-coloured textures that you were glad to have seen the back of, the first time you were unlucky enough to find them (they pushed "asset re-use" to its limit and then broke it, years ago).

What's more of a pity is that the few games that actively attempted to challenge WoW's supremacy in the marketplace - and might've had a chance of succeeding - either pushed themselves out the door too quick, outright deceived their prospective playerbase or mixed and matched a bit of both. Par for the course, the last few years, really.

Can Blizzard build and release a new game that'll draw people in and keep them playing? I don't doubt it.

Will it have smooth game-play, be graphically impressive and draw good concepts from other peoples' IP? I don't doubt it.

Will it be dumbed-down, badly balanced, have pointless and ignorable lore and be a grind-fest? I don't doubt it.

But at least it'll be something that's "not WoW," while we await other companies trying to do it right (or at least as well).

We might even get lucky and one'll succeed.

That said, excuse me for not holding my breath; I'm cynical, not suicidal. :P

Originally posted by charris1980

it's transformers MMO :)

so they will call it "transformables", and voila! a new IP!

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by charris1980

it's transformers MMO :)

so they will call it "transformables", and voila! a new IP!

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Scattered across worlds, these coveted items are occasionally englyphed with information that will help you unlock a new profession....

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