Originally posted by summitus

 

Thats interesting, could you tell us which reviews you thought were harsh ?

and whats a "Yahtzee" review .. do mean just roll the dice and score it from the outcome ? ..

His reviews have lower rates than the rest.

Matrix Online on metacritic: 6.9, he gave it a 5.

WoW has a 9.4 in metacritic, he gave it a 8.

Others had a score close to the average reviews. I just feel he's not really into praising and overlooking the problems. I could be wrong, just a personal gripe affecting his reviews or whatever.

Anyways, even if they give it a bad rating again I don't think the same e-drama should be made around it. Unless Av's CEO wants to be laughed at, because honestly it's ridiculous.

About "Yahtzee" review, watch these:

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation

Eurogamer is a large and pretty well respected gaming publication. It's probably insulting to them to allege that they cared about Darkfall or its meager fan base enough to do this simply for publicity's sake.

Originally posted by Ashrik

Eurogamer is a large and pretty well respected gaming publication. It's probably insulting to them to allege that they cared about Darkfall or its meager fan base enough to do this simply for publicity's sake.

Yes I expect they are quite well respected , so if thats the case do you think them leaving a review of a game that is flawed to such an obvious extent and written with practically zero journalistic integrity , up on their site , dont you think the least they could have done was take the review down pending further investigation ?.

After all even people that dont care for game are mostly saying that Zitron's review was appalling and no way could an mmo have a fair review after only a few hours actually playing it.

Maybe your right they probably did'nt care about Darkfall and its fanbase , although maybe they should care about their own integrity as gaming site.

Anyway despite that what do you think , will a re- review be fair ?

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

 Why do people who dont like this game care more about there being no features then the people who play the game? Seems kinda sad......I think Tasos forcing them to do a second review is F#$king hilarious, he acts more like a normal human being/gamer and for that gets shit! It will be fair i believe as they know he will be watching there every move muhahahhahahahaha.......  

Originally posted by summitus

Yes after reading his reviews , I find it hard to believe they let this Ed Zit guy anywhere near it ! 

Well, one guy cant make all reviews. And some reviewers logically are worse than others.

Anyways I think he will rate it fairly but that doesn't mean it will get a good score. But the guy will at least play more and have better points for both the good and the bad stuff.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Ashrik

Eurogamer is a large and pretty well respected gaming publication. It's probably insulting to them to allege that they cared about Darkfall or its meager fan base enough to do this simply for publicity's sake.

 

Yes I expect they are quite well respected , so if thats the case do you think them leaving a review of a game that is flawed to such an obvious extent and written with practically zero journalistic integrity , up on their site , dont you think the least they could have done was take the review down pending further investigation ?.

After all even people that dont care for game are mostly saying that Zitron's review was appalling and no way could an mmo have a fair review after only a few hours actually playing it.

Maybe your right they probably did'nt care about Darkfall and its fanbase , although maybe they should care about their own integrity as gaming site.

Anyway despite that what do you think , will a re- review be fair ?

First off, its only you and a few who keeps saying its flawed.  Keane, for one, and well respected one, agrees with Zit basically.  I remember reading more player agreeing with Zit's view than fanboy wild screams.  2/10 or 4/10 matters little.  The same recommendations from Zit and keane, "stay away from it at all costs".

Whether EG should use Zit is none of your business.  Go look into a mirror, you do not see the chief editor in the mirror, so you know, your view counts for nothing when it comes to EG business.  Stop pretending you have a say.

I believe that the EG chief editor is a reasonable supervisor.  The way he handled Tasos's babycry shows maturity, consideration and tact.  I have seen nothing from EG editorial that showed serious issues.  I would thus believe that EG and Zit are reliable and "normal" people.

Your question is stupid.  Reviews are not legal courts, the foundation is not fairness.  Reviews are expression of views, which by nature are subjection.  The fact that you keep pushing such a stupid question means you are either stupid or trolling/baiting.

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

And says who Zit has zero integrity?

Zit got hired by EG.  He got a job.  His review is published by EG.  The editorial of EG backed Zit and basically refuted baby Tasos.

Who here is trying to smear Zit's name?  With what proof, or what credential?  You?  Oh never mind.  Come back and try again if you have something serious and worth considering.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Ashrik

Eurogamer is a large and pretty well respected gaming publication. It's probably insulting to them to allege that they cared about Darkfall or its meager fan base enough to do this simply for publicity's sake.

 

Yes I expect they are quite well respected , so if thats the case do you think them leaving a review of a game that is flawed to such an obvious extent and written with practically zero journalistic integrity , up on their site , dont you think the least they could have done was take the review down pending further investigation ?.

After all even people that dont care for game are mostly saying that Zitron's review was appalling and no way could an mmo have a fair review after only a few hours actually playing it.

Maybe your right they probably did'nt care about Darkfall and its fanbase , although maybe they should care about their own integrity as gaming site.

Anyway despite that what do you think , will a re- review be fair ?

 

First off, its only you and a few who keeps saying its flawed.  Keane, for one, and well respected one, agrees with Zit basically.  I remember reading more player agreeing with Zit's view than fanboy wild screams.  2/10 or 4/10 matters little.  The same recommendations from Zit and keane, "stay away from it at all costs".

Whether EG should use Zit is none of your business.  Go look into a mirror, you do not see the chief editor in the mirror, so you know, your view counts for nothing when it comes to EG business.  Stop pretending you have a say.

I believe that the EG chief editor is a reasonable supervisor.  The way he handled Tasos's babycry shows maturity, consideration and tact.  I have seen nothing from EG editorial that showed serious issues.  I would thus believe that EG and Zit are reliable and "normal" people.

Your question is stupid.  Reviews are not legal courts, the foundation is not fairness.  Reviews are expression of views, which by nature are subjection.  The fact that you keep pushing such a stupid question means you are either stupid or trolling/baiting.

As far as baiting is concerned .. perhaps its you who should check the mirror ? This is one Bait I wont be biting but your comments have been noted thankyou.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

*I type "reviewer" in my Lexicon and i get this definition: A reviewer is a person who reviews new, books ,films,records,plays or concerts

{critic,commentator, judge}

*i type "review" and i get:A review is a report in the media in which someone gives their opinion of something such as a new book or film.

*Now i type in "journalist" and i get this definition: A journalist is a person that whose job is to collect news and write about it for newspapers, magazines, television ot radio

{reporter,broadcaster,collumnist, commentator, correspondent,hack, journo, newsman or newswoman, pressman.}

 So argue all you want but those two professions are as alike as day and night the only common ground they have is that they are both also called "commentators" , so i don't see what journalistic integrity has to do with Ed as he clearly is a reviewer and was giving just his opinion with the only differenve from the rest of us doing so being that he is geting paid for it.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

*I type "reviewer" in my Lexicon and i get this definition: A reviewer is a person who reviews new, books ,films,records,plays or concerts

{critic,commentator, judge}

*i type "review" and i get:A review is a report in the media in which someone gives their opinion of something such as a new book or film.

*Now i type in "journalist" and i get this definition: A journalist is a person that whose job is to collect news and write about it for newspapers, magazines, television ot radio

{reporter,broadcaster,collumnist, commentator, correspondent,hack, journo, newsman or newswoman, pressman.}

 

 So argue all you want but those two professions are as alike as day and night the only common ground they have is that they are both also called "commentators" , so i don't see what journalistic integrity has to do with Ed as he clearly is a reviewer and was giving just his opinion with the only differenve from the rest of us doing so being that he is geting paid for it.

 

Well in that case all I think I can is suggest you read you own Avatar sig ...
 

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

*I type "reviewer" in my Lexicon and i get this definition: A reviewer is a person who reviews new, books ,films,records,plays or concerts

{critic,commentator, judge}

*i type "review" and i get:A review is a report in the media in which someone gives their opinion of something such as a new book or film.

*Now i type in "journalist" and i get this definition: A journalist is a person that whose job is to collect news and write about it for newspapers, magazines, television ot radio

{reporter,broadcaster,collumnist, commentator, correspondent,hack, journo, newsman or newswoman, pressman.}

 

 So argue all you want but those two professions are as alike as day and night the only common ground they have is that they are both also called "commentators" , so i don't see what journalistic integrity has to do with Ed as he clearly is a reviewer and was giving just his opinion with the only differenve from the rest of us doing so being that he is geting paid for it.

 

Well in that case all I think I can is suggest you read you own Avatar sig ...
 

I'm sorry you clearly missed the part where i presented you with proof in my previous posts supporting my claims, we are beyond opinions now and have now entered the domain of actual facts. So unless you have some proof supporting your claims that for all intents and purposes a reviewer is considered in fact a jounalist and thus falling under the same ethics as him i would suggest from refrain to post on the matter furthermore just because anything you may say from now on will be considered as opinion without the proof  to support it.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by summitus

 

Yes because after reading the Zitron  zero journalistic integrity Train Wreck of a review, I would like to think that a respected game journalist of Kieron Gillens stature , would have a really solid undisputable reason for giving Darkfall 2/10 , so hence the "maybe" .

 

Why would he need, as you say, journalistic integrity? He's a critic, not a journalist. Critics are barely writers.

I'm sorry but I disagree, Eurogamer certainly aims at a mass audience dont you think ?.
  jour·nal·ist
Pronunciation: \-n?-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1693
1 a: a person engaged in journalism ; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium b: a writer who aims at a mass audience.

*I type "reviewer" in my Lexicon and i get this definition: A reviewer is a person who reviews new, books ,films,records,plays or concerts

{critic,commentator, judge}

*i type "review" and i get:A review is a report in the media in which someone gives their opinion of something such as a new book or film.

*Now i type in "journalist" and i get this definition: A journalist is a person that whose job is to collect news and write about it for newspapers, magazines, television ot radio

{reporter,broadcaster,collumnist, commentator, correspondent,hack, journo, newsman or newswoman, pressman.}

 

 So argue all you want but those two professions are as alike as day and night the only common ground they have is that they are both also called "commentators" , so i don't see what journalistic integrity has to do with Ed as he clearly is a reviewer and was giving just his opinion with the only differenve from the rest of us doing so being that he is geting paid for it.

 

Well in that case all I think I can is suggest you read you own Avatar sig ...
 

I'm sorry you clearly missed the part where i presented you with proof in my previous posts supporting my claims, we are beyond opinions now and have now entered the domain of actual facts. So unless you have some proof supporting your claims that for all intents and purposes a reviewer is considered in fact a jounalist and thus falling under the same ethics as him i would suggest from refrain to post on the matter furthermore just because anything you may say from now on will be considered as opinion without the proof  to support it.

Well how's this then   " In my "opinion" a Journalist/ Magazine/Critic etc would all " In my Opinion" come under the same morals ethics code of conduct etc ...
 

there how's that for you and " In my Opinion" that should make you sleep better .

Though I would just like to add this all  is just "My Opinion "

Happy now ?

Originally posted by summitus

Well how's this then   " In my "opinion" a Journalist/ Magazine/Critic etc would all " In my Opinion" come under the same morals ethics code of conduct etc ...
 

there how's that for you and " In my Opinion" that should make you sleep better .

Though I would just like to add this all  is just "My Opinion "

Happy now ?

Well i wasn't gonna lose sleep over something like this but yes it's much more accurate this way. Even though IMO you shouldn't have put the "In my opinion" line 3 times in there since the average person would be contempt and being perfectly to understand it with only one, but whatever helps YOU understand those things better

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Ashrik

Eurogamer is a large and pretty well respected gaming publication. It's probably insulting to them to allege that they cared about Darkfall or its meager fan base enough to do this simply for publicity's sake.

 

Yes I expect they are quite well respected , so if thats the case do you think them leaving a review of a game that is flawed to such an obvious extent and written with practically zero journalistic integrity , up on their site , dont you think the least they could have done was take the review down pending further investigation ?.

After all even people that dont care for game are mostly saying that Zitron's review was appalling and no way could an mmo have a fair review after only a few hours actually playing it.

Maybe your right they probably did'nt care about Darkfall and its fanbase , although maybe they should care about their own integrity as gaming site.

Anyway despite that what do you think , will a re- review be fair ?

Keen disagrees with your assessment.
 

www.keenandgraev.com/

In fact he went so far as to say this about the review...

"...the gist of what he is saying is true."

Reading the comments on EuroGamer's site it also seems to be about 50/50 about the review.  So, it would appear that your previous claims would be a bit of hyperbole.  Kind of like the review was using. 

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by summitus

Well how's this then   " In my "opinion" a Journalist/ Magazine/Critic etc would all " In my Opinion" come under the same morals ethics code of conduct etc ...
 

there how's that for you and " In my Opinion" that should make you sleep better .

Though I would just like to add this all  is just "My Opinion "

Happy now ?

Well i wasn't gonna lose sleep over something like this but yes it's much more accurate this way. Even though IMO you shouldn't have put the "In my opinion" line 3 times in there since the average person would be contempt and being perfectly to understand it with only one, but whatever helps YOU understand those things better

Why thank you for pointing that out ot me ...... 

If he gives it 10/10 it will be deemed fair and unbiased.

If he gives it 1/10 it will be deemed unfair and biased.

Isn't it obvious?

Originally posted by Jowen

If he gives it 10/10 it will be deemed fair and unbiased.

If he gives it 1/10 it will be deemed unfair and biased.

Isn't it obvious?

Ahh yes but you forgot the middle ground or grey areas .. what if if gives it "6 or 7" or "4 or 5 "or even" 6.5" or "4.5 ? "

wont be so obvious then would it ?

Fair to whom?  It's all about how individuals feel about the game.  If the review isn't on par with what they say, it is dead wrong.

Z