So I check in mmorpg.com after a hard day's work and what do I see?

4 Darkfall hating threads on the front page, whining and bitching like no tomorrow.

/points and laughs and the h8ers

keep it up guys, give it some more publicity

I think DF has all the bad publicity an MMO can have. But... I won't mind giving it some more.

Proving once again that DF is #1

For generating pure forum entertainment.

They are trying to make it into a DarkandLight type of game, but with all the hating its turning in to a EVE on the ground type of game. So all the WOW, EQ lovers hate it, the real non carebearish hardcore pvp player loves it.

Not that I am saying its purpose, but neither was WOW, when it first launched. And it has what 12 million? Anyone remember SWG launch? or EVE? lol. Sure swg turned into shit because of devs, and yes the same thing could happen now, but lack of communication should not be mistaken as forgetting. Sure the devs lied and didnt update. But then again if you been working on a project for 8 years, and are in depth and love games like they do and are a indie company, and need a 10-20k subs to start to make it what it should be, what will you do, throw that 8 years in the toilet?

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 So I check in mmorpg.com after a hard day's work and what do I see?

 

4 Darkfall hating threads on the front page, whining and bitching like no tomorrow.

 

 

/points and laughs and the h8ers

 

keep it up guys, give it some more publicity

Well, I mean, in all fairness, they have something serious to bitch about now. I'm traumatized from Roma Victor's launch, and its more or less the same thing all over again with the exception that you can actually log into Darkfall and play.

We'll make due with our massacre of each other until the other things get implemented I suppose. :D

 I haven't played more then say 5 hours in Darkfall yet but I'm enjoying it :)

I hope devs keep working towards what they said they were going to implement, but I agree - 8 years down the toilet would be a waste. I hope they stay focused, push forward past all the negativity, and actually attempt to fulfill their concepts.

Originally posted by Izure

They are trying to make it into a DarkandLight type of game, but with all the hating its turning in to a EVE on the ground type of game. So all the WOW, EQ lovers hate it, the real non carebearish hardcore pvp player loves it.

Not that I am saying its purpose, but neither was WOW, when it first launched. And it has what 12 million? Anyone remember SWG launch? or EVE? lol. Sure swg turned into shit because of devs, and yes the same thing could happen now, but lack of communication should not be mistaken as forgetting. Sure the devs lied and didnt update. But then again if you been working on a project for 8 years, and are in depth and love games like they do and are a indie company, and need a 10-20k subs to start to make it what it should be, what will you do, throw that 8 years in the toilet?

first off - do not EVER compare this game to eve... not in any shape, form, or fashion.

secondly - a game like eve, evolved.  it had some problems, but it has evolved.  df has devolved.  just compare features listed on the website to what's ingame -- you have two completely different games.  every time enough people get involved with one aspect of DF... the mantra changes to "oh, that's not really important, THIS is important".  so we've gone thru crafting, npcs/pve and a few other items-- this game is centered around taking and holding land.

this core part of the game is broken beyond hope in so many ways, that it's just pathetically sad.

hard to tell the difference between lack of communication and forgetting if you're not seeing anything you expect. what should you expect? well, based on some dipshyte constantly QQing about a bad review --- i guess you shouldn't expect much anything at all.

there's nothing to defend.  whomever says that city warfare is NOT horribly broken is doing one of a few things:

1 not playing darkfall

2 lying

3 just too stupid to breathe

4 lying

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

I know people want personal housing, 4 legged running, weather system and player vendors....and none of which will make that big a difference on how the game is played...at all. And dont give me the NPC folowing you and protecting you and other garbage wich will not not should it be apart of the game.

There may be more stuff to do but if you dont enjoy what DF brings now, how could you later? It will be the same community, the same pvp griefing and whatever else. 

The same with Mortal Online.....who some hope dearly will be the deliverance from DF....which it wont really.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I know people want personal housing, 4 legged running, weather system and player vendors....and none of which will make that big a difference on how the game is played...at all. And dont give me the NPC folowing you and protecting you and other garbage wich will not not should it be apart of the game.

 

There may be more stuff to do but if you dont enjoy what DF brings now, how could you later? It will be the same community, the same pvp griefing and whatever else. 

 

The same with Mortal Online.....who some hope dearly will be the deliverance from DF....which it wont really.

i'm sorry, i typed in english.

this game is centered around taking and holding property.

THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME IS BROKEN.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Izure

They are trying to make it into a DarkandLight type of game, but with all the hating its turning in to a EVE on the ground type of game. So all the WOW, EQ lovers hate it, the real non carebearish hardcore pvp player loves it.

Not that I am saying its purpose, but neither was WOW, when it first launched. And it has what 12 million? Anyone remember SWG launch? or EVE? lol. Sure swg turned into shit because of devs, and yes the same thing could happen now, but lack of communication should not be mistaken as forgetting. Sure the devs lied and didnt update. But then again if you been working on a project for 8 years, and are in depth and love games like they do and are a indie company, and need a 10-20k subs to start to make it what it should be, what will you do, throw that 8 years in the toilet?

 

first off - do not EVER compare this game to eve... not in any shape, form, or fashion.

secondly - a game like eve, evolved.  it had some problems, but it has evolved.  df has devolved.  just compare features listed on the website to what's ingame -- you have two completely different games.  every time enough people get involved with one aspect of DF... the mantra changes to "oh, that's not really important, THIS is important".  so we've gone thru crafting, npcs/pve and a few other items-- this game is centered around taking and holding land.

this core part of the game is broken beyond hope in so many ways, that it's just pathetically sad.

 

hard to tell the difference between lack of communication and forgetting if you're not seeing anything you expect. what should you expect? well, based on some dipshyte constantly QQing about a bad review --- i guess you shouldn't expect much anything at all.

 

there's nothing to defend.  whomever says that city warfare is NOT horribly broken is doing one of a few things:

1 not playing darkfall

2 lying

3 just too stupid to breathe

4 lying

Um, just speaking to the evolutionary aspect of your post.  EVE's had 6 years to evolve.  DF's had 2 months.  You honestly can't compare it in terms of how far each has come in the amount of time it's been released.  Just saying.  This is not a comment on whether DF is good or bad.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I know people want personal housing, 4 legged running, weather system and player vendors....and none of which will make that big a difference on how the game is played...at all. And dont give me the NPC folowing you and protecting you and other garbage wich will not not should it be apart of the game.

 

There may be more stuff to do but if you dont enjoy what DF brings now, how could you later? It will be the same community, the same pvp griefing and whatever else. 

 

The same with Mortal Online.....who some hope dearly will be the deliverance from DF....which it wont really.

 

i'm sorry, i typed in english.

this game is centered around taking and holding property.

THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME IS BROKEN.

 

I'm also sorry, I didnt really pay attention to what you said. 

If you mean the current sieging system taking too long and being vulnerable to crashing the siege shard holder, then they know about the problem and are working on a new system (the one Claus explained at end of Beta) as per the "AV responds to alliance leader concerns" article.

If you are refering to something  else explain yourself.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 (Mod Edit)

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Im ashamed you even populate the same game as me, I would be ashamed if you was a member of my guild, and Im even more ashamed people think you are the representation of the DF community. No wonder they think all DF players are horrible ignorant beings.

Affected much? Yes you are.

But seriously now.....reading your last paragraph.....you have genuine issues man. 

I'm not even going to report you for the personal attacks...because as you stated,  I am the representation of the Darkfall Community, and I should behave as such.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Im ashamed you even populate the same game as me, I would be ashamed if you was a member of my guild, and Im even more ashamed people think you are the representation of the DF community. No wonder they think all DF players are horrible ignorant beings.

See, I know all of what you're saying is true, but I don't mind. I'm used to it from KFR's bullshit when he launched Roma Victor two years ahead of schedule. Small indy companies can't make MMOs with in-depth PvP, crafting, NPC AI, and generally everything you need to make a game.

They CAN, however, rush a game out the door, make promises to fix it all, and rake in cash in the meantime. KFR used his to get investors to create a "virtual world model", not an MMORPG. I wonder what Tasos will do with his?

Originally posted by Cainurk

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Im ashamed you even populate the same game as me, I would be ashamed if you was a member of my guild, and Im even more ashamed people think you are the representation of the DF community. No wonder they think all DF players are horrible ignorant beings.

See, I know all of what you're saying is true, but I don't mind. I'm used to it from KFR's bullshit when he launched Roma Victor two years ahead of schedule. Small indy companies can't make MMOs with in-depth PvP, crafting, NPC AI, and generally everything you need to make a game.

 

They CAN, however, rush a game out the door, make promises to fix it all, and rake in cash in the meantime. KFR used his to get investors to create a "virtual world model", not an MMORPG. I wonder what Tasos will do with his?

Alot of people will disagree with what I marked in red.

Recently I tried a game called The Chronicles of Spellborn, started by a very small indie company that was later picked up by 3 major distribution companies. Why was it picked up? Because it had all the tools of a great game. I am not a fan of the cartoony graphics, yes i admit it has some things that annoy me, but I will also admit its an amazing combat system, great pvp, and an overall great game that launched with its promises intact and further improvements on the way.

Eve online launched with a definite rocky start, it went through its trials and tribulations, it has emerged as a great polished game and still going strong many years later.

Do you see where I am going with this? That indie company excuse isn't a valid arguement when looking at past history. I do agree with you when you said "i dont mind," because I don't mind either. I too am used to the Funcoms, SOEs, Roma Victors, Dark & Lights of the world. But how much torture will we take from these game developers? How many broken promises will we be fed on a silver spoon? They are getting as bad as politicans.

Eventhough I had my little fun in DF a couple of things people have said on this forum do ring true. If we continue to support these companies and allow them to pull the wool over our eyes every single launch, then it is not their fault, it is now our own. DF wasn't the problem, but it was the catalyst. They aren't all just mad at the company, this time around they are mad at the community for "settling" and allowing a company to profit after pulling the SAME stunt that all the other companies have pulled on us for years. And they do it because they can. That also is not a valid excuse

I feel bad that I had to "settle" for DF, but it is true. We should've never had to settle, we should've pushed the envelope as consumers and avid MMORPG gamers.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Im ashamed you even populate the same game as me, I would be ashamed if you was a member of my guild, and Im even more ashamed people think you are the representation of the DF community. No wonder they think all DF players are horrible ignorant beings.

 

 

Affected much? Yes you are.

 

But seriously now.....reading your last paragraph.....you have genuine issues man. 

 

I'm not even going to report you for the personal attacks...because as you stated,  I am the representation of the Darkfall Community, and I should behave as such.

He has a very valid point, the more outstanding people of the DF community hold off the compulsive posting that some of the others seem to give birth to every other minute.  Perhaps if you and some of the other "Darkfall Community representatives" would learn to hold their tongues, you may find the game to be a lot more enjoyable with a lot less flaming.

You should have learned by now that your opinion no longer matters to this community and keeps getting worse each time you post something like you have started here. 

Originally posted by Nevulus

Alot of people will disagree with what I marked in red.

Recently I tried a game called The Chronicles of Spellborn, started by a very small indie company that was later picked up by 3 major distribution companies. Why was it picked up? Because it had all the tools of a great game. I am not a fan of the cartoony graphics, yes i admit it has some things that annoy me, but I will also admit its an amazing combat system, great pvp, and an overall great game that launched with its promises intact and further improvements on the way.

Eve online launched with a definite rocky start, it went through its trials and tribulations, it has emerged as a great polished game and still going strong many years later.

Do you see where I am going with this? That indie company excuse isn't a valid arguement when looking at past history. I do agree with you when you said "i dont mind," because I don't mind either. I too am used to the Funcoms, SOEs, Roma Victors, Dark & Lights of the world. But how much torture will we take from these game developers? How many broken promises will we be fed on a silver spoon? They are getting as bad as politicans.

Eventhough I had my little fun in DF a couple of things people have said on this forum do ring true. If we continue to support these companies and allow them to pull the wool over our eyes every single launch, then it is not their fault, it is now our own. DF wasn't the problem, but it was the catalyst. They aren't all just mad at the company, this time around they are mad at the community for "settling" and allowing a company to profit after pulling the SAME stunt that all the other companies have pulled on us for years. And they do it because they can. That also is not a valid excuse

I feel bad that I had to "settle" for DF, but it is true. We should've never had to settle, we should've pushed the envelope as consumers and avid MMORPG gamers.

 

Thiiiiiiiiis. *screams in nerdrage* :))

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I know people want personal housing, 4 legged running, weather system and player vendors....and none of which will make that big a difference on how the game is played...at all. And dont give me the NPC folowing you and protecting you and other garbage wich will not not should it be apart of the game.

 

There may be more stuff to do but if you dont enjoy what DF brings now, how could you later? It will be the same community, the same pvp griefing and whatever else. 

 

The same with Mortal Online.....who some hope dearly will be the deliverance from DF....which it wont really.

 

i'm sorry, i typed in english.

this game is centered around taking and holding property.

THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME IS BROKEN.

 

 

 

I'm also sorry, I didnt really pay attention to what you said. 

 

If you mean the current sieging system taking too long and being vulnerable to crashing the siege shard holder, then they know about the problem and are working on a new system (the one Claus explained at end of Beta) as per the "AV responds to alliance leader concerns" article.

 

If you are refering to something  else explain yourself.

i'm referring to every aspect of it being broken, or just insanely stupid.

how many cities, exactly, are actually protected behind their gates?   some cities, i can actually crouch walk UNDER THE WALL because the wall doesn't touch the ground.  other cities, i can climb up the mountain/hill and jump over the first gate, then walk around the edges and simply jump thru a HUGE fracking hole where a rope bridge of some sort enters the city.

orrrrrrrrrrr let's say you're in a russian alliance and i'm in a U.S.A. alliance.   you hit our city and take it while we're sleeping, we hit it back and take it while you're sleeping, and all anyone does is cost each other craptons of gold and resources without accomplishing jack --  is the 6-8 hour vulnerability window gone by the wayside like every other bloody thing in this game?

i know, how about logging in and out and being invul during a siege?  only a fracking moron would make that be 'working as intended'

seriously... do you REALLY not know of ANY of this, or anything else that is broken in THE CORE OF THE GAME?   this (for this week) is supposedly the core of the game and it is total shyte. 

but, no really, give me lip cuz i'm stupid.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I still dont get what other things people want implemented.

 

The main things are in the game already and not much there to ad really. Perhaps expand somewhat on existing features like quests/diff siege mechanics...but besides that what?

 

I don't understand why you keep asking the same question that has been answered in 5 other topics. Seriously, you continue to purposely post topics to flame the entire community and this forum allows you to continue. I don't get it. But I will continue to answer your feeble attempts at attention with facts, you will continue to pretend Tasos never lied, and life goes on:

PEOPLE WANT THE FEATURES PROMISED TO THEM for the past 5 years out of the 8 years the game was in development.

Want a list? www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2813151#2813151. See this was the list of features before Tasos tried to hide it after the failed attempt at a paid beta launch. Does it mean the game isn't fun? No. People are upset another MMO dev promised and didn't deliver, only difference this time being that Av did it to monumental proportions. Let it go already. I would report your topic but seems it already has been reported.

Im ashamed you even populate the same game as me, I would be ashamed if you was a member of my guild, and Im even more ashamed people think you are the representation of the DF community. No wonder they think all DF players are horrible ignorant beings.

 

 

Affected much? Yes you are.

 

But seriously now.....reading your last paragraph.....you have genuine issues man. 

 

I'm not even going to report you for the personal attacks...because as you stated,  I am the representation of the Darkfall Community, and I should behave as such.

He has a very valid point, the more outstanding people of the DF community hold off the compulsive posting that some of the others seem to give birth to every other minute.  Perhaps if you and some of the other "Darkfall Community representatives" would learn to hold their tongues, you may find the game to be a lot more enjoyable with a lot less flaming.

You should have learned by now that your opinion no longer matters to this community and keeps getting worse each time you post something like you have started here. 

 

Oh c'mon now what would these boards be without people like EinsteinDF,seriously ?

Dead and deprived of all the fun that's what they would be and where could me, you or anybody find more high-quality, free of charge, 5 star entertainment like this these days?

Don't listen to him EinsteinDF you just keep doing the one you know to do best , keep our pop-corn bags full and our stomachs hurting from laughter.

Originally posted by journey01

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Izure

They are trying to make it into a DarkandLight type of game, but with all the hating its turning in to a EVE on the ground type of game. So all the WOW, EQ lovers hate it, the real non carebearish hardcore pvp player loves it.

Not that I am saying its purpose, but neither was WOW, when it first launched. And it has what 12 million? Anyone remember SWG launch? or EVE? lol. Sure swg turned into shit because of devs, and yes the same thing could happen now, but lack of communication should not be mistaken as forgetting. Sure the devs lied and didnt update. But then again if you been working on a project for 8 years, and are in depth and love games like they do and are a indie company, and need a 10-20k subs to start to make it what it should be, what will you do, throw that 8 years in the toilet?

 

first off - do not EVER compare this game to eve... not in any shape, form, or fashion.

secondly - a game like eve, evolved.  it had some problems, but it has evolved.  df has devolved.  just compare features listed on the website to what's ingame -- you have two completely different games.  every time enough people get involved with one aspect of DF... the mantra changes to "oh, that's not really important, THIS is important".  so we've gone thru crafting, npcs/pve and a few other items-- this game is centered around taking and holding land.

this core part of the game is broken beyond hope in so many ways, that it's just pathetically sad.

 

hard to tell the difference between lack of communication and forgetting if you're not seeing anything you expect. what should you expect? well, based on some dipshyte constantly QQing about a bad review --- i guess you shouldn't expect much anything at all.

 

there's nothing to defend.  whomever says that city warfare is NOT horribly broken is doing one of a few things:

1 not playing darkfall

2 lying

3 just too stupid to breathe

4 lying

Um, just speaking to the evolutionary aspect of your post.  EVE's had 6 years to evolve.  DF's had 2 months.  You honestly can't compare it in terms of how far each has come in the amount of time it's been released.  Just saying.  This is not a comment on whether DF is good or bad.

You're correct in that EVE has had 6 years to evolve compared to Darkfalls 2 months. So lets look at EVE's first couple of months compared to Darkfall's and the most glaring problem.

When EVE launched it also had free trials, and did not open up for limited times to buy the game. The game had it's problems, but everyone was able to play. Darkfall has limited buy days for a short period of time at that. Also has no free trial.

So to compare EVE to Darkfall is not realistic whether you want to count the first year or not.

To this point Darkfall has been a huge disappointment and unfortunately cannot stand on its own merits.