Originally posted by Capernicus

Originally posted by Cainurk

Originally posted by Capernicus

Originally posted by Cainurk

Originally posted by 0theri0n

This game gets bashed and hated more and more each day, i didnt like the idea of the open ffa pvp style and looting system so i too bashed it. but i havent actually played the game, and now the more people who bash it, the more interested i am in trying it out. Gimme a free trial damnit!!!!

 

I think the main reason people have always bashed DF is BECAUSE of the FFA PvP/Looting thing. Some carebears simply hate the type of psychotic, anti-social, spiteful personalities that it takes to excel in that environment, and they want to rid the world of those types of gamers.

 

Some genuinely just don't prefer that type of game, but I still say that some make it personal.

 

Absolute non-sense, people just don't like little turds who have fun at the expense of other people's fun. Making a game that caters for sociopath's is awful and fosters an enviroment of melevolancy. Anyone who find's DF and it's player base's ethos of "F_U loser give me your gear" admirable needs their head checked. Calling reasonable people carebears is just a defence mechanism, it excuses them for being so anti-social and eliteist.

 

Absolute nonsense, and yet you just proved what I said? "Reasonable people" make their hate of DF personal because they attack that type of sociopathic community of dog-eat-dog. I call them carebears - not because of a defense mechanism, (as I don't feel the need to defend that type of behavior) but because its what we call "those other people".

 Wrong, reasonable people expect a certain level of respect between one another, it's called civility look it up. As for hate? daft use of the word really, to hate means an emotional investment has been made and i find most people who dog on DF are kinda indifferent to the game if anything.

 

-So carebears expect a certain level of respect between one another, but they don't treat people whose behavior they don't agree with civilly? So if I don't like McDonalds employees for some reason, I can flame the franchise? Maybe I wasnt clear - I was referring to "Reasonable people" as being the anti-PK anti-UO style PvPer. They obviously have an emotional investment into the situation on Darkfall, as they are seemingly disgusted and outraged by something they have nothing to do with. They carry those feelings with them when they flame the community. Granted, a large portion of the community are thirteen year olds who just learned new swear words, but even still. Its the pot calling the kettle black, and its a holier-than-thou attitude.

 

I mean, seriously now. Some people in the world behave that way. This type of game is just for them. Just because someone doesn't agree with how those people behave doesn't mean they should rabidly attack the game. We don't attack more civilized games for not catering to our general dislike towards human beings - don't attack our spite breeding grounds.

 Yeah their called criminals

 

- Everyone comes from somewhere. Besides, there are plenty of people with this attitude we've discussed that have never been charged with a crime. They simply don't consider the needs or feelings of others save for how they can gain an advantage in what they do.

I don't need to defend how I am or how an environment like Darkfall teaches one to think, because in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it. I don't find the player base's ethos' "admirable", mainly because I wouldn't admire someone based on their actions in a video game. Anyway, the point is that in Darkfall, if you can't learn to eat other dogs, you get no respect. Some "Reasonable people" take that personally, and ragecry for the rest of that game's life about it, hating on it at any chance they get.

 Why post anything then?

 

 

- Because I'm not defending my outlook on the "Darkfall behavior" or the environment, just pointing out that the rabid flames carebears tend to give is just as bad as the "GIMME UR LOOT, FUQUR" mentality.

Anyways. You proved my point. Some people trash the game based on their opinions of the types of players who get along well in that type of scenario, rather than actual flaws (Like game mechanics, graphics, missing features, etc).

No people state facts about the failure of the game to impliment features that they STILL claim to have in the game, i personally make reference to the player base because i only ever seem to come accross horrid little turds in the DF community, who chat random nonsense and spout vile insults at anyone who disagree with their delusions.

 

- I never said people DON'T make valid points about the game. I said that SOME people make SOME judgements based on the reactions of the community, rather than actually playing the game. SOME carebears are so offended by the psychological environment, the rabid PvP style, the disregard for others that they carry that offense with them and pour it back onto the game without mention of the lack of features, exploits, whatever.

 

You are trying to make my statements sound like I speak in absolutes. I don't. I'm not even speaking in regards to the general public of carebears, just a few of them.

 

Originally posted by alf2ooo

Originally posted by 0theri0n

This game gets bashed and hated more and more each day, i didnt like the idea of the open ffa pvp style and looting system so i too bashed it. but i havent actually played the game, and now the more people who bash it, the more interested i am in trying it out. Gimme a free trial damnit!!!!

 

This.

 

Tasos would like to thank all of you haters, not a cent spent in marketing or advertising, you are doing a great job  :)

 Smug eh? i doubt any neutral party would come onto this site and others a kin to it, read what the majority say about it and then say "way this sounds like a great game!". Don't try and take the little victory bud, makes you look small.

As many other in this place you know nothing about advertising :)

Don't want any victory, it's all yours.

Originally posted by 0theri0n

This game gets bashed and hated more and more each day, i didnt like the idea of the open ffa pvp style and looting system so i too bashed it. but i havent actually played the game, and now the more people who bash it, the more interested i am in trying it out. Gimme a free trial damnit!!!!

It kinda reminds me of one of those movies that is soooo bad, it gets a highly dedicated cult following...like Rocky Horror Picture Show.  If there was a free trial, I'd be tempted to try it myself just to se if it is as God-awful as it is made out to be. 

I guess we can call this advertising. Just instead of helping to get people to play the game it has the opposite affect. Close enough I guess :)

Originally posted by alf2ooo

As many other in this place you know nothing about advertising :)

Don't want any victory, it's all yours.

awesome, so your a stalker too? must be to know what i do for a job and stuff, you know as you just made an assertion as to my ability to understand advertiseing?. Well FYI i work in advertiseing, my BTEC was media & advertising, my diploma was in Advertisement Media, sooo wow awesome. So enlighten me please, how doe's advertisment work?

Originally posted by Frostbite05

I guess we can call this advertising. Just instead of helping to get people to play the game it has the opposite affect. Close enough I guess :)

I see the opposite happening, every day passing an hater spend 50 bucks thanks to this bad advertising.

Originally posted by alf2ooo

Originally posted by Frostbite05

I guess we can call this advertising. Just instead of helping to get people to play the game it has the opposite affect. Close enough I guess :)

 

I see the opposite happening, every day passing an hater spend 50 bucks thanks to this bad advertising.

Can we even say that what you put here means anything? No me either, lets just try again eh?

Originally posted by Capernicus

Originally posted by alf2ooo

As many other in this place you know nothing about advertising :)

Don't want any victory, it's all yours.

 

awesome, so your a stalker too? must be to know what i do for a job and stuff, you know as you just made an assertion as to my ability to understand advertiseing?. Well FYI i work in advertiseing, my BTEC was media & advertising, my diploma was in Advertisement Media, sooo wow awesome. So enlighten me please, how doe's advertisment work?

Read up & clam down baby, you are not a great advertiser as it seems :)

edit: k, that's my fault, you are not able to understand :) report me ^^

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

Lets get to REAL fucking economics going, LETS BE REALISTIC AS TO HOW SERIOUS THIS IS!

Say we take your star rating, 2.5/5, lets say 2.5 out of 5 people ((Thats 1 every 2 people for you idiots out there)) in the US Bought Darkfall for the 2009 year. 50 bucks is alot of money and more serious than you idiots think, Federal minimum wage suggests it takes atleast 1 full time work day to make that much money, which is 8 hours. Id love to see you guys shovel dirt and make ditches for 8 HOURS.

Lets get to the point, so one every 2 people in the united states is? The current US population is 304,059,724 People.

So that is 152,029,862 people in the united states, times that by 50 USD and you get.

Yes Aventurine would make 7,601,493,100 USD. That is 7 BILLION DOLLARS for the year of the hype.

They could make 7 BILLION dollars every year on their scamming. This is a SERIOUS issue, more serious than Madoff and Enron. People who make light of the scam situation do not know shit. I rest my mother freaking case. GET A LIFE!
 

Well, this would be a true fact IF they bought it.   Secondly america is not the only country in the world you idiot, most mmo's players are from overseas fyi.  Secondly in a world of over 6 billion people only 12 million play WoW.  Which we all know as "lame" as that game is said to be, is still the single most successful mmo to date.   Anyway darkfall MIGHT get 10,000 users at the very most, so 10,000 users times 50 is $500,000 cash from game purchases.  then w/e their monthly fee is prolly like $15 a month per say.  that becomes a whole $150,000 a month btw the costs that come from labor, power, equipment, ISP charges, office rental etc etc etc.  they'll be bankrupt within a year.   So yes on a mass scale $50 would be a big issue, but darkfall will NEVER see that kind of scale.  To be getting over 10 times the amount of subs that blizz has is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Originally posted by alf2ooo

Originally posted by Capernicus

Originally posted by alf2ooo

As many other in this place you know nothing about advertising :)

Don't want any victory, it's all yours.

 

awesome, so your a stalker too? must be to know what i do for a job and stuff, you know as you just made an assertion as to my ability to understand advertiseing?. Well FYI i work in advertiseing, my BTEC was media & advertising, my diploma was in Advertisement Media, sooo wow awesome. So enlighten me please, how doe's advertisment work?

 

Read up & clam down baby, you are not a great advertiser as it seems :)

Come on really? really??? you read that back to yourself and thought "yeah that works i'll go with that"?, try this, EXPLAIN what you mean, MAKE A POINT about what it is your alluding to. Might help with your next snappy come back bud.

I bought the game BECAUSE it had open pvp. I bought the game because I wanted certain features listed on the website.

The game is not crap because its open ended. I am NOT measuring this game on its implemented features. i'm measuing this game on the complete lack of promised features and the amature way the entire thing has been handled from how they handle change/patch management to how they outright lied.

Does the alignment system suck? Yes. Does the chat system, lack of background life (plants, birds, anmials) make for a crap game?: Yes . Does the chat system feel and look like it was written pre everquest? Yes......but my main point is this game deserves to fall on its ass for outright lieing to people who bought the game.

Tasos complains that people are attacking his livelyhood.....but when you put a product up on markets you have a responsibility to deliver quality......and paying customers have a right to call you out on it.

Secondary issues about the gaming having probably the shittiest community  I have ever encountered online also come into play.

I'll try to take it straight to you, it doesn't matter what you think about the game, but how much you talk of it; any reader of this forum have their own tastes and their own brain to take decision, and opening the page of mmorpg.com you'll see about 3 darkfall's thread going on in most of the times.

That said i think you are giving a great visibility to the game, and ,as being stated by various ex "bashers", they've fallen into their hype ending on buying it. That's without Tasos spending any cent; to me it's a way of advertising that's having his good results :)

Originally posted by Rekindle

I bought the game BECAUSE it had open pvp. I bought the game because I wanted certain features listed on the website.

The game is not crap because its open ended. I am NOT measuring this game on its implemented features. i'm measuing this game on the complete lack of promised features and the amature way the entire thing has been handled from how they handle change/patch management to how they outright lied.

Does the alignment system suck? Yes. Does the chat system, lack of background life (plants, birds, anmials) make for a crap game?: Yes . Does the chat system feel and look like it was written pre everquest? Yes......but my main point is this game deserves to fall on its ass for outright lieing to people who bought the game.

Tasos complains that people are attacking his livelyhood.....but when you put a product up on markets you have a responsibility to deliver quality......and paying customers have a right to call you out on it.

Secondary issues about the gaming having probably the shittiest community  I have ever encountered online also come into play.

 

 

I agree with this. Its the RV disaster with a slightly higher budget. Eurotrash can't seem to release a complete game, and although the game is finished enough to massacre people and loot them, the situation generally sucks.

That having been said, I'm still patching this. If enough people put money into the game, they'll finish it. Roma Victor didn't have that - they had a one time payment with no monthly anything. That isn't the way to run a MMO that is still developing.

Originally posted by alf2ooo

I'll try to take it straight to you, it doesn't matter what you think about the game, but how much you talk of it; any reader of this forum have their own tastes and their own brain to take decision, and opening the page of mmorpg.com you'll see about 3 darkfall's thread going on in most of the times.

That said i think you are giving a great visibility to the game, and ,as being stated by various ex "bashers", they've fallen into their hype ending on buying it. That's without Tasos spending any cent; to me it's a way of advertising that's having his good results :)

So based on your logic, theres no such thing as bad publicity? as if the game is mentioned then it by proxy is gaining great publicity regardless of the content involved in its being mentioned?. So then by your thinking then would you consider Al Quaida somthing you would want to get involved in? as it too recieves a plethera of"advertisement" throughout the world, what about Gary Glitter, you a fan of his? because once more he recieves a lot of "advertisement" throughout the world and so on and so forth. I could waste hours pointing out how your wrong but i feel you already know you are. Your assumptions are bore out of ignorance and rabid fan-boi delusions. Get ye self a grip boy.

This topic is FAIL.  It's a terrfic reason why I don't enjoy much of the MMORPG community,  there's far too many people who blindly flame something they don't understand. As for my position in this, I really don't care if darkfall has a open PvP system, as it's unlikely I'll be trying the game anytime soon, like most of the people here (Even the people flaming it).

Originally posted by Spoonpott

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

 

Its not about the consumer losing $50, its about the company taking $50 by false advertisement.

If I get scammed out by a company after buying their game for false advertisement, I'd want my money back, not necessarly because the $50 are a big deal(they arent), but mostly because it'd feel buttraped if that company ran away with my money, and I didnt do shit about it.

That is exactly right.  If someone robs you on the street of $5.00 they still go to jail.  Darkfall has robbed people of $50.  No they did not do it by gunpoint.  They did it by false advertisement and putting a product on the market they knew was trash.

Originally posted by Capernicus

Originally posted by alf2ooo

I'll try to take it straight to you, it doesn't matter what you think about the game, but how much you talk of it; any reader of this forum have their own tastes and their own brain to take decision, and opening the page of mmorpg.com you'll see about 3 darkfall's thread going on in most of the times.

That said i think you are giving a great visibility to the game, and ,as being stated by various ex "bashers", they've fallen into their hype ending on buying it. That's without Tasos spending any cent; to me it's a way of advertising that's having his good results :)

 

So based on your logic, theres no such thing as bad publicity? as if the game is mentioned then it by proxy is gaining great publicity regardless of the content involved in its being mentioned?. So then by your thinking then would you consider Al Quaida somthing you would want to get involved in? as it too recieves a plethera of"advertisement" throughout the world, what about Gary Glitter, you a fan of his? because once more he recieves a lot of "advertisement" throughout the world and so on and so forth. I could waste hours pointing out how your wrong but i feel you already know you are. Your assumptions are bore out of ignorance and rabid fan-boi delusions. Get ye self a grip boy.

Sorry for you, but im not the "rabid fan-boi" you want me to be, and "I could waste hours pointing out how your wrong but" you have absolutely no points and you need to get yourself bigger fullin your mouth of nonsense, "fanboism" and 1337 childy speaks things like this, grow up :)

Originally posted by Tnice

Originally posted by Spoonpott

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

 

Its not about the consumer losing $50, its about the company taking $50 by false advertisement.

If I get scammed out by a company after buying their game for false advertisement, I'd want my money back, not necessarly because the $50 are a big deal(they arent), but mostly because it'd feel buttraped if that company ran away with my money, and I didnt do shit about it.

 

That is exactly right.  If someone robs you on the street of $5.00 they still go to jail.  Darkfall has robbed people of $50.  No they did not do it by gunpoint.  They did it by false advertisement and putting a product on the market they knew was trash.

You're howling the same tune that people yelled at Red Bedlam at the Roma Victor launch. There is nothing that will be done about it, some people will feel ripped off, and the rest of us will stick with the game until we're done with it, or it dies. That's just the way it is.

Originally posted by Rekindle

I bought the game BECAUSE it had open pvp. I bought the game because I wanted certain features listed on the website.

The game is not crap because its open ended. I am NOT measuring this game on its implemented features. i'm measuing this game on the complete lack of promised features and the amature way the entire thing has been handled from how they handle change/patch management to how they outright lied.

Does the alignment system suck? Yes. Does the chat system, lack of background life (plants, birds, anmials) make for a crap game?: Yes . Does the chat system feel and look like it was written pre everquest? Yes......but my main point is this game deserves to fall on its ass for outright lieing to people who bought the game.

Tasos complains that people are attacking his livelyhood.....but when you put a product up on markets you have a responsibility to deliver quality......and paying customers have a right to call you out on it.

Secondary issues about the gaming having probably the shittiest community  I have ever encountered online also come into play.

 

 

Darkfall is pretty much everything they said it would be when they did interviews in Decemeber. I bought it knowing that some of the "promised" features would be missing. I do not feel scamed, although I'll admit that DF is far from perfect and needs some more improvements fast.

At least Darkfall is better than the Crap in a Box of 2008

Didn't call u stupid, ignorant, outspoken and never insulted you, i think that this sharing of opinions just ended here.

Originally posted by Rekindle

You know what's kinda making me frustrated right now?  The "logic" and spin that is being used to discredit people who actaully have an honest (and negative opinion) of this game.

I don't normally kick something when its down but the Tasos rant along with the backlash has made me think otherwise. This is the most unprofessional whine I have ever seen from a developer.  The game is crap, lots of people feel it.....he should have taken it on the chin while keeping his jaw shut. Instead he tries to detract from the short comings of his game by attacking the reviewer (who seems to be in the wrong as well). 

It seems now that AV is playing classical dis info by going after the reviewer instead of the points that many people know and see about this game. 

Let me put it to you simply.  I do feel i was SCAMMED out of my money. Now I take full responsibility for this because I'm the jack ass who actaully parted with my money to buy this game (almost 70$ Canadian I might add). I waited in line as they artifically limited the sales to give the illusion of demand.  I played the game as they randomly decided to take down servers with no advance warning. I sat in their piece of crap queues (which have been fixed....I will give them).  I searched around the landscape looking for content to engage in other than mindless ganking......at the time I couldnt find any spawns that a> worked properly b> worked at all.

I've watched this community start off large as many hoped it would be the 3d UO we all want so dam bad.  I saw it weed down to the hardcores that are there.  All the time a rather large group of people with social skills akin to tree slugs berate anyone who didnt talk in l33t speak and feel the same way they do.

If Tasos expected the people his company ripped off to sit back idly while he discredits the Eurogamer review as complete bias then he's made a very serious mistake.

EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THIS GAME WAS ADVERTISED WAS MISLEADING.  I do not typically generalize communities in games. I think its like walking into Walmart and trying to caste everyone with the same brush. Darkfall is different.....the community has a large number of idiots....a lot of them spout crap here each day.  Many of them are playing Quake online or are %100 pvp ffa clan warfare.  Ok, if the game was always marketed as just quake III in MMO clothes, fine, but it wasnt.....it was suposed to be a MMO.

I expect part of the reason the features listed on their website (which STILL is not updated)  is due to the fact they had to launch earlier than they wanted to.  I don't blame them for running out of money.  However, that does not change the fact that this game is a halfbaked bastardization of a mmo desinged for socio paths and FPS players.  The features are misleading, the idea you can be a small fish in big world is misleading........the whole notion that this IS A mmo is misleading.

The graphics are not as bad as people say but the UI is.  Hint: MS DOS was replaced with a GUI for a reason.

This game encompasses none of the lessons learned from 10 years of commercial mmos.  They threw the baby out with the bath water and are trying to pass of tedium as hardcore.

 

dont waste your money and dont believe the hype. Despite the (apparent) underhandedness of the Eurogamer review, much of the spirit ofthe review is accurate. 

 

I just had to get that off my chest.

Darkfall didn't advertise itself as anything. It didn't advertise itself at all. Only advertisement this game has ever had, was forum talk and word of mouth. It promised it will be a hardcore, full loot pvp game in which the WoW generation will be bitchslapped back to blizzards arms. And  by your post it seems it delivers.
 

PS: real men can handle dos.

OP is right, the game is crap and should be avoided at all costs.

Eurogamer may have excagurated how much it sucks but it does suck. End of story.

Originally posted by alf2ooo

Didn't call u stupid, ignorant, outspoken and never insulted you, i think that this sharing of opininons just ended here.

no, but the way you talk down to people who seem to be well informed in that area by telling them that you are right and they are wrong without providing any arguments makes you look like ... well a rabid fanboi that you obviously are, so :

ok, bye bye. +:)

Originally posted by dimmit77

Darkfall didn't advertise itself as anything. It didn't advertise itself at all. Only advertisement this game has ever had, was forum talk and word of mouth. It promised it will be a hardcore, full loot pvp game in which the WoW generation will be bitchslapped back to blizzards arms. And  by your post it seems it delivers.
 

PS: real men can handle dos.

 

lol

yes its me....im anti dos , im partof the Wow generation , when you look up my forum history this becomes apparent.

here is a picture of me and my friends

Thank you for proving a point mr hard core.

ps. I got some UO mining to do, want to go click on rocks for me for the next 10 hours - i hear thats still considered hardcore.