Originally posted by SEANMCAD

So you done right?

There are several thing I find confusing about all this but the one in the context of this post is why people who dont like the game actually care one way or the other passed maybe a day of venting.

We understand you dont like the game, we assume you understand that you can not logically convince us that we should dislike the game and we dont care who thinks we are disfunctional for liking it.

As far as being scammed out of your money here is a few  games that I feel I was scammed out of:

(not in order)

NeverWinter Nights 2, Crysis, Fallout, STALKER, Oblvion.

Now, granted I am insane for thinking that but the fact remains , I to have felt scammed. But the thing is, ITS ONLY $50!

 

All this said it only leaves me with one question, what game are you going to play instead.

Whoa, NWN2 was great. Crysis - great. Fallout (3 I assume) - great. STALKER - Not great. Oblivion - great (though it didn't hold my attention long)

Those are facts above :)

I think we can all agree that this game consists of pure raw absolute failure.

Time to move on and let this shitpile die.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

you guys seriously missed the point, if AV gets sued/ gets a serious fine, they may wake up from their horrible handling of the game and start acting professionally, or sell the game to a professional company.

 OP I would do a CC chargeback. The game is clearly nowhere close to how it is being advertised on thier website. 

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

 

you guys seriously missed the point, if AV gets sued/ gets a serious fine, they may wake up from their horrible handling of the game and start acting professionally, or sell the game to a professional company.

My only fault with this is:  If other independent companies realizes that they can be sued for not delivering said product, we won't have anymore small niche games.  The bigger companies seem to follow the MMO standard these days.  I would like to see some diversity and I think its gonna be the independent companies that bring that to the table.

I can see your point though.  Aventurine made some lofty promises, and has failed to deliver on many of those.  The billing fiasco was just another failure.  I can see people wanting compensation.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Krayzjoel

  he does have a right to say his peace if he feels the game let him down. Thats what these forums are for is allow ppl to speak out one way or the other if they like the game or not.

 

It's one thing to state that you don't like a video game. It's another to repeatedly insult and berate others for liking it, which is what the majority of the anti-DF crowd does.

Really? because going through this entire thread all i saw was ONE "fanboy" calling people names and trolling three other topics in order to berate and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with him mthat DF "rules" and calling their topics "confusing", and his name is Seanmcad. In case you missed it here is the link before it gets reported: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2824038#2824038

I see perhaps you are just biased and indeed trolling for support?

Not all of us DF players are ignorant forum trolls who only come to verbally abuse others.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I added information to my reply. Sorry I didnt get it completed until everyone started responding.

 

I to have feel I have been ripped off from other games but I assure in the long run $50 isnt crap.

Thank you for reassuring us on the value of money..............

NOW were is that refund option

 Love it when someone says that money is nothing,your a customer,you paid for a service,you earn some basic logical rights for paying for a product.

 Ofcourse if anyone volunteers to buy me games since money is nothing for them,il accept right away.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

Lets get to REAL fucking economics going, LETS BE REALISTIC AS TO HOW SERIOUS THIS IS!

Say we take your star rating, 2.5/5, lets say 2.5 out of 5 people ((Thats 1 every 2 people for you idiots out there)) in the US Bought Darkfall for the 2009 year. 50 bucks is alot of money  and more serious than you idiots think, Federal minimum wage suggests it takes atleast 1 full time work day to make that much money, which is 8 hours. Id love to see you guys shovel dirt and make ditches for 8 HOURS.

Lets get to the point, so one every 2 people in the united states is? The current US population is 304,059,724 People.

So that is 152,029,862 people in the united states, times that by 50 USD  and you get.

Yes Aventurine would make  7,601,493,100 USD. That is 7 BILLION DOLLARS for the year of the hype.

They could make 7 BILLION dollars every year on their scamming. This is a SERIOUS issue, more serious than Madoff and Enron. People who make light of the scam situation do not know shit. I rest my mother freaking case. GET A LIFE!

Originally posted by Spoonpott

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you went off the website which wasn't updated in ages, that's kindof your fault for not researching more.

 

But the game is definately not even CLOSE to as great Tasos says it is, thats for sure. I donno, try and sue AV for false advertizing by having an out of date website, if you win it will cause AV to wake up or sell their game to a company with a clue.

 

oh my god you guys are some seroious broke bastards who have never taken an economics class.

its $50 dollars! Instead of trying to sue use the same time to get a part time job. You will cover your costs in a few hours if you have any skills

 

Its not about the consumer losing $50, its about the company taking $50 by false advertisement.

If I get scammed out by a company after buying their game for false advertisement, I'd want my money back, not necessarly because the $50 are a big deal(they arent), but mostly because it'd feel buttraped if that company ran away with my money, and I didnt do shit about it.

I couldn't have said it better myself

Originally posted by Forumfall

I think we can all agree that this game consists of pure raw absolute failure.

Time to move on and let this shitpile die.

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Forumfall

I think we can all agree that this game consists of pure raw absolute failure.

Time to move on and let this shitpile die.

 

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

I doubt it will be successful. It won't die like Roma Victor did, as its easy to get into PvP (which is fairly mindless and simple to enjoy), but it won't have a huge following. If an MMO isnt finished, people get super pissed and quit. It's as simple as that. If LOTRO wasnt finished when it was released, people would have dropped it like a retarded child.

I've seen it happen before. Right now, the game is JUST FINISHED ENOUGH to engage in PvP. Once they sort out the plethora of maphacks/teleport hacks/speedhacks/etc, they'll fix bugs. Once they sew up the exploits, they'll add more features. However, if they don't do that in a timely fashion, even hardcore fanbois will get sick and quit the game.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Krayzjoel

  he does have a right to say his peace if he feels the game let him down. Thats what these forums are for is allow ppl to speak out one way or the other if they like the game or not.

 

It's one thing to state that you don't like a video game. It's another to repeatedly insult and berate others for liking it, which is what the majority of the anti-DF crowd does.

Really? because going through this entire thread all i saw was ONE "fanboy" calling people names and trolling three other topics in order to berate and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with him mthat DF "rules" and calling their topics "confusing", and his name is Seanmcad. In case you missed it here is the link before it gets reported: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2824038#2824038

I see perhaps you are just biased and indeed trolling for support?

Not all of us DF players are ignorant forum trolls who only come to verbally abuse others.

Either you replied to the wrong post or you misread my post.

Originally posted by Rekindle

I don't normally kick something when its down but the Tasos rant along with the backlash has made me think otherwise. This is the most unprofessional whine I have ever seen from a developer.  The game is crap, lots of people feel it.....he should have taken it on the chin while keeping his jaw shut. Instead he tries to detract from the short comings of his game by attacking the reviewer (who seems to be in the wrong as well). 

I agree with most of what you have to say about the game, and review-gate in general... but I'm not so sure Ez Zitron is guilty of any impropriety here.  When it comes to time playing the game, we have to take Tasos at his word that the guy never played much.  I have a problem taking the word of a know snake-oil salesman over the word of a reviewer who I seem to agree with on just about every game he reviews.

it might take a while to get a totally accurate impression of an MMO.  But if it's a terrible, buggy, ugly POS, You can usually tell pretty quick.  Even going with the amount of time playing Tasos is claiming, it's several play sessions over about a week and a half.  IMO, that is plenty of time to know that Darkfall is the over-hyped product of ineptitude and corner cutting.

Originally posted by Cainurk

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Forumfall

I think we can all agree that this game consists of pure raw absolute failure.

Time to move on and let this shitpile die.

 

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

 

I doubt it will be successful. It won't die like Roma Victor did, as its easy to get into PvP (which is fairly mindless and simple to enjoy), but it won't have a huge following. If an MMO isnt finished, people get super pissed and quit. It's as simple as that. If LOTRO wasnt finished when it was released, people would have dropped it like a retarded child.

 

I've seen it happen before. Right now, the game is JUST FINISHED ENOUGH to engage in PvP. Once they sort out the plethora of maphacks/teleport hacks/speedhacks/etc, they'll fix bugs. Once they sew up the exploits, they'll add more features. However, if they don't do that in a timely fashion, even hardcore fanbois will get sick and quit the game.

 

 

Well they are fixing bugs very quickly and I've said in previous posts that it does have issues, I'm playing and enjoying it and most people playing think the same, At its core it is a very good game , but I think yeah it will be successful in an Eve type of way it will have a cult following.

Darkfall is'nt for the mainstream of Mmo player I dont think , you only have to look at Eve its very successful but alot of people hate it or cant get to grips with it. I think Darffall will continue though, all be it probably not as successful as people were led to believe.

Originally posted by Kyleran

DF evokes very passionate responses, with some foik really liking it for what it offers, and others like the OP hate it for what it lacks.

True for all games I suppose and its hard to say what you will enjoy, unless you can give it a try. (hoping one day DF manages to hold one.)

I think your right a Free Trial at some point in the near future would be best thing that happen to Darkfall, let people make their own minds up once and for all.

I think most people like the OP are upset because they were made to believe that this game was polished, feature complete and ready. I think that Adventurine should have just said that Darkfall will be released in a unfinished state. Bugs and things will fixed overtime and as quickly as possible. Content will be added as the game improves. We will try our best with this game and with your help we can one day have the MMO that we have all dreamed of. I think they should have told all these people who have been following the game for 8 years the truth.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Cainurk

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Forumfall

I think we can all agree that this game consists of pure raw absolute failure.

Time to move on and let this shitpile die.

 

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

 

I doubt it will be successful. It won't die like Roma Victor did, as its easy to get into PvP (which is fairly mindless and simple to enjoy), but it won't have a huge following. If an MMO isnt finished, people get super pissed and quit. It's as simple as that. If LOTRO wasnt finished when it was released, people would have dropped it like a retarded child.

 

I've seen it happen before. Right now, the game is JUST FINISHED ENOUGH to engage in PvP. Once they sort out the plethora of maphacks/teleport hacks/speedhacks/etc, they'll fix bugs. Once they sew up the exploits, they'll add more features. However, if they don't do that in a timely fashion, even hardcore fanbois will get sick and quit the game.

 

 

 

Well they are fixing bugs very quickly and I've said in previous posts that it does have issues, I'm playing and enjoying it and most people playing think the same, At its core it is a very good game , but I think yeah it will be successful in an Eve type of way it will have a cult following.

Darkfall is'nt for the mainstream of Mmo player I dont think , you only have to look at Eve its very successful but alot of people hate it or cant get to grips with it. I think Darffall will continue though, all be it probably not as successful as people were led to believe.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not knocking the rate that they are making progress, I'm just saying that from previous experience with MMOs that have this kind of launch, it takes quite some time to get shit sorted out. I mean, I'll play it because its more entertaining than Ultima Online, and no other MMO so far has met that level of PvP action.

Hopefully, this hacking nonsense will come to an end (or get curtailed seriously) so the exploits and missing features can be focused on.

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

What do you base this on? Can we see some statistics?

Originally posted by LogothX

You move on if you want too , but there are alot of people playing it and enjoying it , also the numbers playing it are growing each week.. and even if you think its a shitpile there are 1000's that think it is'nt and like it or not, Darkfall is going to be succsessful in the long run .

 

What do you base this on? Can we see some statistics?

Well I dont have any statistics so to speak but in the time I've been playing it there have been new players joining each night , I know the Shop to buy it is only open a few hours once or twice a week but, for some reason there does seem to be new player nearly everytime I log on. But if your asking if I can prove it by any sort of Stats then no I cant .. but the I guess nobody has got statistics to say it is'nt growing either if that makes sense .