Originally posted by snowyjoe

Every time i go to a MMO blog, check some gameplay on youtube or even just browsing through some forums what i always see are these 3 words.

"WoW is better"

 

Now don't get me wrong, i like playing WoW, (lvl 80 Hunter, Horde, Emerald Dream... if anyone is intrested)

But what i don't understand is when everyone compares all the other MMOs to WoW.

Now I understand that WoW is currently the most popular MMO out there... but that dosn't mean every other MMO is a copy of it.

Take for example EVE. People commenting stuff about how EVE is boring and WoW is better...... seriously... WTF?
How can you compare a Sandbox, Sci-fi, MMO to a End-game, Fantasy MMO?

It's like comparing Nacho Cheese with Fish sticks... it just dosn't work.

I also don't know why people are talking about the "next WoW killer" for each new MMO that sounds cool.  Does WoW really have to die? As long as the game is good, and makes me pay $14 a month then I'm fine even if WoW dosn't die.

Seriously what is with people and this addiction of WoW = MMO?

Because MMO gamers are all a bunch of....ahem...we are all a bunch of obsessively compulsive narrow minded absolutists mixed with nerdrage, bad common sense, pessimism, sarcasm, and straight up crazy....0o

Challenge is subjective. Sure, WoW has the option to be easy, but nobody said you have to play it that way. It's not like you have to turn in quests to level up. You don't have to wear your best gear when you play. You have the option of going into dungeons with less than 5 players. You have the option to farm monsters that are more difficult.  Hell, you can even delete your character every time you die if the death penalty is too light. If the quests are too easy or too boring, then use your imagination to make it more entertaining or more difficult. It's not that hard.

as a game.. I find WoW entertaining.

as an MMO.. I hate it, because there is no community.

Originally posted by vellus

Scientific analysis

MMO

Flip the word upside down you get WWO

Move one letter you get WOW.

 

There you have it, WOW is the closest thing to MMO out there.  To the unscientific eye....WoW = MMO.

 

ha! that was the most funny post in awhile. Kudos for making me lol

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by pencilrick

WOW:

Combat System:  Good

Spell System:  Good

Polish/Reliability:  Excellent

Themepark Design:  Fail, this really sucks

Steampunk in Fantasy World:  Fail

Death Penalty:   Fail, too light

Challenge:  Fail, too easy

 

 

 

The combat system is better than good as is the spell system.  Few MMOs allow for split second interupts, where you can watch what the your enemy is doing and counter his skills with yours on the fly. 

Before WOW,  "themepark" and MMO didn't exist in the same sentence.  Much like FUN and MMO didn't quite go together.  Much like Polish and MMO didn't cooexist.  What did we have that was closest in design...EQ, DAOC, AO?  The only thing similar to a themepark they had was waiting around for extended periods of time. 

WOW is steampunk in only the most basic terms with Gnomes.  Why even bring it up?

The death penalty actually delivered, because it was the only MMO where I never wanted to log off in frustration after I died.  A sting is all death should do.  Also, in the begining death DID hurt, but as gold began to flow more, the sting became less and less, but thats with every MMO.  Death should NEVER be frustrating.  Any MMO that does it will always be niche.  Eve's death penalty doesn't matter to people who buy ISK, so its all relative.  Eve's penalty is all based on a financial hit, but when your ISK is limitless death becomes pointless as well.  So I can say EVE's death penalty fails also for some people.

Easy to lvl to 80 solo.  So what?  Easy to understand?  Thank GOD!!  Easy to jump in and play for a 1/2 hour?  FINALLY!!!  WOW is as challenging as you want to make it.  Lvling to 80 is not the be all end all.  Its not SUPPOSED to be challenging.  Its supposed to be FUN.  Whats challenging are the raids, WITHOUT an FAQ.  Hitting the tops in the Arena.  Plenty of the Acheivments are quite difficult.  So unless you can show a character in the armory thats accomplished everything WOW has to offer, you can't say the game is easy.   Its gotten easier, YES.  So what.  People are still playing.

This is all fine in dandy but the one thing I would have to agree with the OP is (well what I figure the OP is trying to say is) why won't ppl STFU about it.

Great game doesn't equal second coming...0o

And some ppl seem to treat it as that, I mean WoW has been around for almost five years and everyone still sounds like a broken record repeating the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over......

......

again.

and that's why my conclusion is all MMO gamers are a bunch of nerdraging absolutist mixed with crazy (don't forget the defintion of cazy is being unable to escape one loop of thought...aka talking about WoW in our case)...whether you love WoW, casual, or hate it completely...lol

The nerdraging elitist...Now I remember why I (allmost) quit this fine game.

Originally posted by Josher

 

The combat system is better than good as is the spell system.  Few MMOs allow for split second interupts, where you can watch what the your enemy is doing and counter his skills with yours on the fly. 

Before WOW,  "themepark" and MMO didn't exist in the same sentence.  Much like FUN and MMO didn't quite go together.  Much like Polish and MMO didn't cooexist.  What did we have that was closest in design...EQ, DAOC, AO?  The only thing similar to a themepark they had was waiting around for extended periods of time. 

WOW is steampunk in only the most basic terms with Gnomes.  Why even bring it up?

The death penalty actually delivered, because it was the only MMO where I never wanted to log off in frustration after I died.  A sting is all death should do.  Also, in the begining death DID hurt, but as gold began to flow more, the sting became less and less, but thats with every MMO.  Death should NEVER be frustrating.  Any MMO that does it will always be niche.  Eve's death penalty doesn't matter to people who buy ISK, so its all relative.  Eve's penalty is all based on a financial hit, but when your ISK is limitless death becomes pointless as well.  So I can say EVE's death penalty fails also for some people.

Easy to lvl to 80 solo.  So what?  Easy to understand?  Thank GOD!!  Easy to jump in and play for a 1/2 hour?  FINALLY!!!  WOW is as challenging as you want to make it.  Lvling to 80 is not the be all end all.  Its not SUPPOSED to be challenging.  Its supposed to be FUN.  Whats challenging are the raids, WITHOUT an FAQ.  Hitting the tops in the Arena.  Plenty of the Acheivments are quite difficult.  So unless you can show a character in the armory thats accomplished everything WOW has to offer, you can't say the game is easy.   Its gotten easier, YES.  So what.  People are still playing.

Actually Star Wars Galaxies tossed around the term themepark a good deal before wow released.  Strange I know since it is one of the original sandbox games.  That is what they called places like Jabbas palace, the rebel/imperal base, etc.  Anything that had real storyline content with quests was what they called a themepark.  I suspect that is where the term came from in the first place and I really hated in SWG.  

Other than that great post that hits a lot of important aspects. 

Originally posted by Josher 

 Lvling to 80 is not the be all end all.  Its not SUPPOSED to be challenging.  Its supposed to be FUN. 

It's all in the eye of the beholder.  For many, many people WoW is fun.  For me it was so boring and lacking in fun that I couldn't force myself to keep playing even though a friend was paying for my account just to try to get me hooked.

My friend loves WoW and plays it every day.  But me, after the first few times I played it I couldn't see any point in logging in again because it simply wasn't fun for me.  I made myself play a little longer just for my friend's sake but when you catch yourself groaning at the thought of playing a game then you know it isn't going to work out.

Neither of us is wrong it's just that different people like different things.  Which is something I wish the big gaming companies would figure out soon.  And when I talk about different I'm not talking about the setting I'm talking about the game play.

Originally posted by Jackio81

This is all fine in dandy but the one thing I would have to agree with the OP is (well what I figure the OP is trying to say is) why won't ppl STFU about it.

Great game doesn't equal second coming...0o

And some ppl seem to treat it as that, I mean WoW has been around for almost five years and everyone still sounds like a broken record repeating the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over......

 

......

 

 

 

again.

 

and that's why my conclusion is all MMO gamers are a bunch of nerdraging absolutist mixed with crazy (don't forget the defintion of cazy is being unable to escape one loop of thought...aka talking about WoW in our case)...whether you love WoW, casual, or hate it completely...lol

it makes sense to compare something against somethign else that people actually know about.  Would it make sense to compare WAR with Dark&Light or Ryzome?  No, because no one would care=)  WOW has a lot of features, does them all well enough, so its decent measuring stick.   Maybe you don't like the game.  Thats fine.  But any new MMO will have to measure up to WOW.  Thats what happens when a game is succesful.  Future games are measured against it.  Its pretty hard to measure new games up against UO or EQ.  Its just not a fair comparison anymore.  I can't wait when a new MMO comes out and comparing WOW to it becomes unfair, because the new game is so much better.

WOW seems to be more of a social gathering than a game at this point. I guess because WOW is popular and people always compare what is popular today.

Originally posted by snowyjoe

Every time i go to a MMO blog, check some gameplay on youtube or even just browsing through some forums what i always see are these 3 words.

"WoW is better"

 

Now don't get me wrong, i like playing WoW, (lvl 80 Hunter, Horde, Emerald Dream... if anyone is intrested)

But what i don't understand is when everyone compares all the other MMOs to WoW.

Now I understand that WoW is currently the most popular MMO out there... but that dosn't mean every other MMO is a copy of it.

Take for example EVE. People commenting stuff about how EVE is boring and WoW is better...... seriously... WTF?
How can you compare a Sandbox, Sci-fi, MMO to a End-game, Fantasy MMO?

It's like comparing Nacho Cheese with Fish sticks... it just dosn't work.

I also don't know why people are talking about the "next WoW killer" for each new MMO that sounds cool.  Does WoW really have to die? As long as the game is good, and makes me pay $14 a month then I'm fine even if WoW dosn't die.

Seriously what is with people and this addiction of WoW = MMO?

You are annoyed just as much as i am. Before WoW was even released mmorpgs were compaired to each other, but in no way shape or form were they compaired like this. "Hey you can walk in this game." "WoW clone." "This game has emotes, what  a WoW clone." I see people joke about these things and others dead serious. It makes me laugh at the same time it also pisses me off. Games dont kill games, people kill games. WoW will not be killed, why is it that i hate wow  A LOT and yet i can understand this. Now im gonna go and try nacho cheese with fishsticks because you have made me curious.

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Nacho Chesse is better then fish sticks

Troll alert! Srsly!

On the topic though... ;-)

As some said, it's natural to compare to WoW for two reasons; it's the biggest and most successful fish in the pond, and "everybody" knows it. Of course, a lot of the comparisons made are purely a statement of personal preference and not any actual analysis of anything but gut feeling (or pure numbers). It was done with EQ back in the days, and it'll be done with WoW until the Next Big Thing comes along.

Why WoW?

I think each person will have different answers, but I remember back in the day when I tried the game. This was before BC. I liked very much the races and classes, then there is this huge world to explore. Music is so sweet and geting better. Blizzard did a good job in giving each zone a special treat. I never felt some zones were "lacking something". And since I love to explore and pay attention to details, I got hooked up fast.

I would like Blizzard to be more flexible in regards to classes available for some races. I never understood why gnomes could not be healers and humans can not be hunters.

Overall, WoW is fabulous and keeps geting better.

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Nacho Chesse is better then fish sticks

Troll alert! Srsly!

That was suppose to be funny, yet true...
Did you even read the rest of my post?
You know the part about you can compare anything...
or the whole thing about WoW being the MMO that every other is gauged by because it was the biggest.
in no way was I trolling in that post.

I only post when I have something to say...
could be just my opinion on something (which most of my post are)
or to try and answer a question.... you know to help out.
 

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

I would like Blizzard to be more flexible in regards to classes available for some races. I never understood why gnomes could not be healers and humans can not be hunters.

 

 

 

 

 

Gnomes cannot be healers because lorewise they are the scientific race, and science is very much the opposite of the religious and the spiritual. Humans not being able to be hunters makes less sense, I suspect this comes down to a balancing issue, before bloodelves where introduced Alliance used to outnumber horde on many servers and thus the horde got 3 races that could be the popular hunter class while the Alliance got 2. They probably figured that a human hunter would be way to popular at the time.

Why WOW?

That is a a good question and there are many different answers.

Every game out there appeals to some more than others. For example, I love WOW. To me its the most polished game out right now, the genre (fantasy) appeals to me, it offers a ton of things to explore (I am still finding things that I have never seen before) and its simply the most fun game to me.

That's what it means. It does not mean that EVE isn't a good game, its doesn't mean WAR isn't a good game or LOTRO. The fact I like WOW means I like WOW, and means nothing about the quality of other games.

Now, I think the million dollar question is: What does WOW do that makes it so popular? (I am not equating popular to best, just popular).

Why is WOW at 11.5 million players (and holding steady) and 4 years old and other games that have launched in the last year can't keep a large audience around (meaning they lost a lot more players soon after launch than projected)?

As I mentioned before WOW is fun for me. Its simply fun. I am in a great guild with great people. It allows me to accomplish a fair amount in the limited time I have to play now. I would love to go back to corpse runs, experience loss, grinds and all of that like I did years ago in EQ but I do not have the time. This is another major benefit to WOW as well.

In the end, fans of WOW love the game for various reasons which just means WOW is great for me right now. And no, the next game that comes out that might make me enjoy it like I do WOW doesn't have to be WOW or WOW-like, just be polished, fun, and enjoyable even thought I have limited time to play.

Fishsticks?

What are you a gay fish?

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by Jackio81

This is all fine in dandy but the one thing I would have to agree with the OP is (well what I figure the OP is trying to say is) why won't ppl STFU about it.

Great game doesn't equal second coming...0o

And some ppl seem to treat it as that, I mean WoW has been around for almost five years and everyone still sounds like a broken record repeating the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over......

 

......

 

 

 

again.

 

and that's why my conclusion is all MMO gamers are a bunch of nerdraging absolutist mixed with crazy (don't forget the defintion of cazy is being unable to escape one loop of thought...aka talking about WoW in our case)...whether you love WoW, casual, or hate it completely...lol

 

it makes sense to compare something against somethign else that people actually know about.  Would it make sense to compare WAR with Dark&Light or Ryzome?  No, because no one would care=)  WOW has a lot of features, does them all well enough, so its decent measuring stick.   Maybe you don't like the game.  Thats fine.  But any new MMO will have to measure up to WOW.  Thats what happens when a game is succesful.  Future games are measured against it.  Its pretty hard to measure new games up against UO or EQ.  Its just not a fair comparison anymore.  I can't wait when a new MMO comes out and comparing WOW to it becomes unfair, because the new game is so much better.

Dude, you sound like a broken record....I've heard all this many many times. There's comparing games, and then there's obsessively bringing up a game like WoW all the damn time like they're addicted to it or something...0o

WoW for a lot of ppl is an obsession, and they're either obsessed with loving it or hating it.

If you want to talk about WoW bring up comments and arguments that havn't been done before......not stupid details like how many players are subs to the game which has been brought up by ppl 50 billion times already.

If I had a nickle for everytime a thread was made trying to tell me how many subs WoW I've be a very...yaah...>>

Why WoW...

Really? You honestly need to ask this?

Why compare something to the most popular MMORPG ever? This is something that confuses you?

Really?

... Sometimes, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

I don't play WoW, nor am I a rabid fan but come on, do you really wonder about this, or did you just want to start another WoW debate?

Originally posted by snowyjoe

Every time i go to a MMO blog, check some gameplay on youtube or even just browsing through some forums what i always see are these 3 words.

"WoW is better"

 

Now don't get me wrong, i like playing WoW, (lvl 80 Hunter, Horde, Emerald Dream... if anyone is intrested)

But what i don't understand is when everyone compares all the other MMOs to WoW.

Now I understand that WoW is currently the most popular MMO out there... but that dosn't mean every other MMO is a copy of it.

Take for example EVE. People commenting stuff about how EVE is boring and WoW is better...... seriously... WTF?
How can you compare a Sandbox, Sci-fi, MMO to a End-game, Fantasy MMO?

It's like comparing Nacho Cheese with Fish sticks... it just dosn't work.

I also don't know why people are talking about the "next WoW killer" for each new MMO that sounds cool.  Does WoW really have to die? As long as the game is good, and makes me pay $14 a month then I'm fine even if WoW dosn't die.

Seriously what is with people and this addiction of WoW = MMO?

8 years ago they compared it to Eq, who knows what they sey as the standard MMO in another 8 years?

People tend to use the most popular things as an example, it needs least knowledge about specific things.

As for if Wow needs to die, it will sooner or later as do everyone and everything. That will take long time however but another game will be the biggest a lot faster, there is a limit to how long a computer game can be the biggest, and Wow is aging.

What comes next is anybodys guess, but it will probably be different since Wow is doing the Wow thing very good. So too beat it you need something different and better, that will come sooner or later.

I don't compare EVE to WoW. Actually I have never seen anyone comparing the two. But EVE is boring as hell. Still a damn good MMO if you are into that kind of thing... spending hours deciding between laser guns with some crystal or faster turret ammo guns with harder shells or slower missiles with penetretion in shields or armor or maybe another combination... not for me thanks.

Originally posted by snowyjoe

It's like comparing Nacho Cheese with Fish sticks... it just dosn't work.

True but deep down they are both foods and people will have an opinion on them (which one they like better).  The current generation (me, i think...i can never remember) tends to associate anything that is not part of their opinion to negative things (boredom, waste of time/resources...ect).  This is where opinions on two seemingly different things occurs, they do of course have to have some similarity.

EVE is an MMO, so is WoW..thats all they need to form an opinion on them no matter how much they differ...its stupid but thats the way the world seems to work now.

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Nacho Chesse is better then fish sticks

Troll alert! Srsly!

That was suppose to be funny, yet true...
Did you even read the rest of my post?
You know the part about you can compare anything...
or the whole thing about WoW being the MMO that every other is gauged by because it was the biggest.
in no way was I trolling in that post.

I was joking. ;-)

Originally posted by Neanderthal

Originally posted by Josher 

 Lvling to 80 is not the be all end all.  Its not SUPPOSED to be challenging.  Its supposed to be FUN. 

It's all in the eye of the beholder.  For many, many people WoW is fun.  For me it was so boring and lacking in fun that I couldn't force myself to keep playing even though a friend was paying for my account just to try to get me hooked.

My friend loves WoW and plays it every day.  But me, after the first few times I played it I couldn't see any point in logging in again because it simply wasn't fun for me.  I made myself play a little longer just for my friend's sake but when you catch yourself groaning at the thought of playing a game then you know it isn't going to work out.

Neither of us is wrong it's just that different people like different things.  Which is something I wish the big gaming companies would figure out soon.  And when I talk about different I'm not talking about the setting I'm talking about the game play.

I agree with you.  I had a very good friend that got involved in the early days of WoW and got addicted and she wanted me to play with her.  I tried, I played it for about five-six months and I hated it.  It just wasn't interesting to me and from what I understand, everything that's happened since has made it even worse from my perspective.  I haven't played since, even though I have, sitting next to me, an unopened WoW Battle Chest with all expansions that I could install and play and... it'll never be opened.

Just zero interest.

Originally posted by snowyjoe

Every time i go to a MMO blog, check some gameplay on youtube or even just browsing through some forums what i always see are these 3 words.

"WoW is better"

 

Now don't get me wrong, i like playing WoW, (lvl 80 Hunter, Horde, Emerald Dream... if anyone is intrested)

But what i don't understand is when everyone compares all the other MMOs to WoW.

Now I understand that WoW is currently the most popular MMO out there... but that dosn't mean every other MMO is a copy of it.

Take for example EVE. People commenting stuff about how EVE is boring and WoW is better...... seriously... WTF?
How can you compare a Sandbox, Sci-fi, MMO to a End-game, Fantasy MMO?

It's like comparing Nacho Cheese with Fish sticks... it just dosn't work.

I also don't know why people are talking about the "next WoW killer" for each new MMO that sounds cool.  Does WoW really have to die? As long as the game is good, and makes me pay $14 a month then I'm fine even if WoW dosn't die.

Seriously what is with people and this addiction of WoW = MMO?

Some newbie high school / college students play WoW as their first MMO, then it is "better" because it is more popular.

In reality, these people never played an MMO that involved any risk, any difficult PvE systems (look at how many times they dumbed down Naxx in WoW), or real PvP systems (systems where politics govern who fights each other rather than some useless rating points gathered by combinations of overpowered classes.)

I played WoW for maybe.. a year?  Got through all of the instances, including pre-nerf Naxx.  I guess people like it because it's so easy?  This is a bad thing though, MMOs should be near impossible, and they should scare the shit out of people who play them.  Like in EQ you could run through kithicor woods as a level 1, but you had a good chance of getting killed / having a tough CR, etc.  Try doing that in a hand-holding baby MMO like WoW