Originally posted by Ozmodan

I was just going by what the article said which was up to 5 minutes flight time.  Basically that is a blink of the eye when it comes to playing a MMO.   Just very disappointed they made this feature so limited.  Of course if you can eventually extend it a lot beyond 5 minutes at later stages then sure, we can make do at lower levels.

As to stepping up, they need to make other features much better than the average MMO to compensate.  Many of us have been looking forward to the flght feature.  We have basically been spoiled by flight in other MMO's and just don't understand why it is so limited in this game.

You read where there's only a 10 second cooldown before you can start flying again, right? That's like, nothing.

So at the max level you'd have to land every 5 mins for 10 seconds before you could take off again. That's not 'ruining' anything.

For me, I can't wait to try the flying. It is just something that we all will have to plan to use and not just go floating around.

Just to clarify how the system works. Lets say you got 5 minute flight time, you can start flying, fly for a bit, close wings then from time you can reopen wings it takes 10 seconds. However used up flight time doesn't get replentished instantly. Currently you have to wait for 3 seconds on the ground for every 1 second of air timer to replenetish. So after you used up your 5 minutes, it will take you 15m to get your 5m back. That is not to say there are no potions that restore your flight time, but that means you cant use HP or Mana pots, since they are all on the same timer.

People being "spoiled" by unlimited flight elsewhere? Right. I guess some people are forgetting that god forbid some people play MMO's for the fun of exploration, flying for the sake of seeing stuff. Timers are never, ever an added design function to enhance simple fun; it's for challenge, tactics, or other inhibitive qualities.

1~5 min seems absurdly short (seriously, time yourself how long it takes you to get your next quest in whatever game you're playing), but I'll reserve a final opinion for after trying it.

One other thing I forgot to say is that, you are very limited in areas where you can fly. Abyss is fair game everywhere for flying but in core zones you are limited to flight in very few places. What you can do in those zones is glide from the top of the hill downwards, but even gliding costs you air time.

Took real interest in this game, hope it’s not all about PvP, personally I am not fond of PvP so much, usually I try to stay away.
 

Regarding the wings, one of my best early experience is flying for the first time with my dragon in Horizons after the rite of passage (or whatever it was called) and later when I started flying with my druid in wow, it’s a great feature and many time I just stop and enjoy the graphics while I fly aimlessly.

IMO it’s not all about rushing and doing quest none stop, some do enjoying some relaxing and doing nothing,
Too bad the fly time is short, 1 min at start and with potion how much more 2-6 extra minutes? more? And then you need x3 time longer to regenerate unless you use other potions, to me sounds very restricting and a bit disappointing.

Maybe now the time look fine to some of you but once more people join the game and game expand more, it will have more and more lag, and when you fight someone and suddenly experience few seconds of lag, IMO 5 min is restrictive, one second you fight then boom lag spike and then you find yourself on the ground when your timer runs out, yea some people will say don’t fight when your timer is short or if there is too much lag don’t play or change servers, but all is good in theory once you hit the real play many times you can’t avoid those situations.
 

Originally posted by Pietoro

Originally posted by Ozmodan

I was just going by what the article said which was up to 5 minutes flight time.  Basically that is a blink of the eye when it comes to playing a MMO.   Just very disappointed they made this feature so limited.  Of course if you can eventually extend it a lot beyond 5 minutes at later stages then sure, we can make do at lower levels.

As to stepping up, they need to make other features much better than the average MMO to compensate.  Many of us have been looking forward to the flght feature.  We have basically been spoiled by flight in other MMO's and just don't understand why it is so limited in this game.

 

You read where there's only a 10 second cooldown before you can start flying again, right? That's like, nothing.

So at the max level you'd have to land every 5 mins for 10 seconds before you could take off again. That's not 'ruining' anything.

The flight timer recovers gradually, you recover 1 second of flight every 2 seconds when you are not flying.

Originally posted by Urza123

Just to clarify how the system works. Lets say you got 5 minute flight time, you can start flying, fly for a bit, close wings then from time you can reopen wings it takes 10 seconds. However used up flight time doesn't get replentished instantly. Currently you have to wait for 3 seconds on the ground for every 1 second of air timer to replenetish. So after you used up your 5 minutes, it will take you 15m to get your 5m back. That is not to say there are no potions that restore your flight time, but that means you cant use HP or Mana pots, since they are all on the same timer.

To clarify? I could buy this game thinking I can fly around doing cool stuff and then be disappointed finding that I can’t fly for more than a few seconds (perception) and then I’m stuck on the ground like in any other mmo with the bonus feature of being unable to use pots to survive.

I had thought to buy the game on release, but common sense is telling me to wait until a wiki is created and check if the marketing matches the reality.
 

This games development has taken so long I've lost interest.  I don't see it being any better than any other game out there.  The only thing it has going for it is the flight aspect and perhaps the pvpve model.  We'll see how well that works.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Ozmodan

As to stepping up, they need to make other features much better than the average MMO to compensate.  Many of us have been looking forward to the flght feature. 

It's not a game about flight - that is just one of the aspects of the game. If you are looking for a flying game, you're probably going to be disappointed here. It's a great feature and very well done, but it's not the focus of the game.

We have basically been spoiled by flight in other MMO's and just don't understand why it is so limited in this game.

Have you played this game? There is more to the flight in this MMO than in most other MMOs. Actually, I'm very curious what are all these other MMOs that have 'spoiled' players with their extensive flight features. 

 

 

 

Broaden your horizons, go play Perfect World or even Wow.  Once you fly, going back to a ground only game, which basically Aion is, is a downer.

This does not demean the game, it still could be good, but as you can see from many of the posts many of us are disappointed a very heralded feature is going to be so limited.  

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Broaden your horizons, go play Perfect World or even Wow.  Once you fly, going back to a ground only game, which basically Aion is, is a downer.

I''ve played both but thanks for the advice! 

Again, if you are looking for a 'flying game' - as you indicate in the quote above - AION probably isn't it. Flying is one of many great features of the game but not the game's focus. Honestly, though, from your post history it seems like you've got some personal attachment to PW and that colors your view of AION.

Yet again mmorpg fails to ask the most simple and basic question of flight.

What happens if you run out of flight time while in the air?

From the sounds of things you just die, or take massive amounts of HP damage. 

And no, flying is not a unique experience to Aion as anyone who's play Perfect World will tell you,  Except in Aion its Severly limited 4 minutes at most? Even then you would die if you dont fly back to ground..

Doesnt sound very enjoyable to me.

Am I one of the only people who are actually glad flying is limited in this game?

I've played flying games, ie Perfect World, CoX, etc. and while I do enjoy the flying I feel like it gets kind of annoying and gimmicky after a while. I enjoy flying, and flight-based combat, but I also feel that ground-based combat offers a bigger impact at times. If everyone is flying all the time, it tends to make the environment irrelevant after a while, and a flight restriction is one good way to limit this.

I hope this gives the game a healthy mix between the 2 types of mobility, and leads to a healthy mix of air vs. land - based battles. This would make the fights much more epic than just a ball of people in the sky the whole time.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Yet again mmorpg fails to ask the most simple and basic question of flight.

What happens if you run out of flight time while in the air?

From the sounds of things you just die, or take massive amounts of HP damage. 

And no, flying is not a unique experience to Aion as anyone who's play Perfect World will tell you,  Except in Aion its Severly limited 4 minutes at most? Even then you would die if you dont fly back to ground..

Doesnt sound very enjoyable to me.

Flight is supposed to be used tactickly and rather than a gimmick

It all depends on how the world is constructed. It is a bit premature to talk about limits when we have no first hand experience of how those limits enchance or hinder gameplay.

I've never played Perfect World but in games like WoW flying was a world immersion killer (for me).

Originally posted by sadeyx

Yet again mmorpg fails to ask the most simple and basic question of flight.

What happens if you run out of flight time while in the air?

From the sounds of things you just die, or take massive amounts of HP damage. 

And no, flying is not a unique experience to Aion as anyone who's play Perfect World will tell you,  Except in Aion its Severly limited 4 minutes at most? Even then you would die if you dont fly back to ground..

Doesnt sound very enjoyable to me.

If you are high enough off the ground you do die. Anything less than that you take damage. Don't be stupid and that won't happen? There are warnings you are getting low on time, enough for you to fly back to the ground.

Flying is done much better and theres more thought into it than Perfect World. You can fly, glide, use skills in the air, it's very smooth and nicely done. It's a AAA title, PW is just a AA cash shop game.

Also if you think flight is the only feature worth playing for then LOL. In my experience I rarely use flight... it's a tool.

Originally posted by FastTx

 In my experience I rarely use flight... it's a tool.

Same here. I use it for resource gathering and evasion mostly.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Yet again mmorpg fails to ask the most simple and basic question of flight.

What happens if you run out of flight time while in the air?

From the sounds of things you just die, or take massive amounts of HP damage. 

And no, flying is not a unique experience to Aion as anyone who's play Perfect World will tell you,  Except in Aion its Severly limited 4 minutes at most? Even then you would die if you dont fly back to ground..

Doesnt sound very enjoyable to me.

I'll tell you what happens when you run out of time.  If you get all wrapped up in draining just.. one... more...Aether from that node you'll find yourself falling...... possibly a long way to the ground.   If you're really lucky though just before you splat on the ground your timer refreshes and you pop your wings at the last second.......Talk about a learning experience. 

For the most part. If you want to know how flight is, bloody try the damn game out rather than moan about how short you think it is.  I've played em all, Perfect world, CoX  I think someone mentioned WoW flight too and I am not Dissapointed in the Flight Aion is using.   Your mileage may vary.

p.s Japanese OB is coming up soon.

so many people making baseless assumptions and opinions when they haven't played the game and not even sure how the mechanics work. LOL

Don't make an opinion unless you actually know what you're talking about.

its boring to have fly time i'd rather have wings instead of a freakin pet / mounts

Originally posted by FastTx

Originally posted by sadeyx

Yet again mmorpg fails to ask the most simple and basic question of flight.

What happens if you run out of flight time while in the air?

From the sounds of things you just die, or take massive amounts of HP damage. 

And no, flying is not a unique experience to Aion as anyone who's play Perfect World will tell you,  Except in Aion its Severly limited 4 minutes at most? Even then you would die if you dont fly back to ground..

Doesnt sound very enjoyable to me.

 

If you are high enough off the ground you do die. Anything less than that you take damage. Don't be stupid and that won't happen? There are warnings you are getting low on time, enough for you to fly back to the ground.

Flying is done much better and theres more thought into it than Perfect World. You can fly, glide, use skills in the air, it's very smooth and nicely done. It's a AAA title, PW is just a AA cash shop game.

Also if you think flight is the only feature worth playing for then LOL. In my experience I rarely use flight... it's a tool.

  I got a real laugh out of that, trying to compare gimped flight in Aion to Perfect World which has a far better implementation.  You can phrase it anyway you want, 1 min flight time is ABSURD, it will seriously hurt this game.  If you have not figured it out yet, this is a game and people like to have fun.  Flying is fun and making it so limited it a definite negative.  All the other games that have flight don't have this ridiculous limitation.    You are welcome to your opinion, but why advertise a feature that in reality is extremely limited? 

I think Aion will be hands down better than any of these free to play games, but it's real competition will be games like Wow and Wow's flight dynamic is far better.

Originally posted by kaishi00

so many people making baseless assumptions and opinions when they haven't played the game and not even sure how the mechanics work. LOL

Don't make an opinion unless you actually know what you're talking about.

Looks like a lot of people are looking at the flight option as an "I win "button.

I like the flight time as is, the same as tribes, use of flight is more of a tatical use than a gimick feature.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

I think Aion will be hands down better than any of these free to play games, but it's real competition will be games like Wow and Wow's flight dynamic is far better.

IMO, any dev that tries to compete with WOW in the NA market is an idiot setting himself up for failure.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

1 minute of flight time?  Come on that is absurdly short.  Even 5 minutes at the top end means flight is an after thought in this game. 

Even Wow players are going to have a huge laugh at this. 

All I can say is the rest of the game needs to step up as flight won't pull people in as it is designed.

Try playing first, also keep reading, it is like any spell skills that you get even in WoW, they start off small and get bigger. And as for the rest of the game stepping up...that doesn't seem to be a problem. Graphics are awesome, soundrtack 2nd to none, gameplay a load of fun, questing/storyline are well done.